Too many leavers

[barky1]

What is going on at our football club. So many people in senior posts some been there for a long time have moved on. When I managed a company and a lot of my staff wished to move on I’d have to look hard in the mirror

[PotteringThrough]

It happens when you’re going through a culture change. I’ve seen it happen in big and small companies.

Possibly overdue in some regards. Time will tell if it’s a success but I hope it works out.

[xchpotter]

That’s one way of looking at it. Another is that too many were too comfortable and not delivering. None of us know for sure, but sometimes things have to be shaken up to bring change about….hopefully for the better.

[Deleted]

It was needed. It's in no way a bad thing.

Change like this happens in all forms of business.

[greenhoffsleftboot]

Need to remember that some of these leavers have been head-hunted to go to other, bigger, jobs elsewhere. That shows that the general picture is good - big clubs want our staff.

But also the club has been coasting post-relegation. It really did need a good sorting out. And some of the new appointments - recruitment, head coach etc, look very promising.

[Billy the kid]

You can't complain when nothing changes. We were hardly in a why fix what isn't broken scenario were we?

[iamstokie]

it’s good have a clear out every now and again , just hope all who come in aren’t Neil’s men , or it’s another clear out when he goes 🤦‍♂️

[doctortheopolis]

I think most people would say that change in personnel and culture is needed and long overdue after the last few years but is it too much at the same time, especially when the playing squad itself is going through the biggest overhaul (certainly numerically)than I can remember in a long long time?

The bigger picture here is that because we have an owner hands off approach that gives Neil and Martin carte blanche to reorganise the structure of the club whilst JC signs the cheques, we have to have an element of realism about expectations for this coming season. Without being negative in any shape or form, are we really geared up for top 6 or is this a year of transition whereby the seeds are sown for having a real crack at things in 24-25?

The issue will be if we start badly and are in the bottom 3 by December, the crowd will want Neil out (which would be understandable) but you can't keep letting people come in and shape the club, then fuck them off and the new person comes in and starts again with the reshaping. This is why clubs such as Brighton and Brentford are successful because they have a clearly defined framework that the manager has to work within, so if they lose a manager (like Potter) they appoint someone who has to work within this structure and fits in seamlessly. Brighton's CEO has been on record as saying that the days of expecting the manager to run everything at a club are old fashioned and dated - all the manager should have to worry about is the first team.

This isn't a Coates out post, though some of the things he does (and doesn't do) frustrate the hell out of me. It is more about the fact that such a huge overhaul happening within one summer could go spectacularly tits up if we aren't careful.

[independent]

Hardly likely with the experienced, Knows everything about Football, Manager we have entrusted the task to.

[LGH87]

We've all been crying out for root and branch change for the last 5/6 years.

It's finally happening and people are moaning.

[theonlooker]

Jul 12, 2023 12:46:55 GMT LGH87 said:

We've all been crying out for root and branch change for the last 5/6 years.

It's finally happening and people are moaning.

The Academy is the last place it needed rooting and branching though and it's the hardest to affect change in such an environment where transient change is rife, and that transient change is in total control. It will take 10 years or more to see the true effects of that change and I'd put my house and home on the two people affecting this change will no longer be employed by the club at that time.

If the root and branch was to take control of the Academy away from the manager and his mate and bring it under the umbrella of the club with a genuine 'DNA' running through it and people employed for that DNA to enable complete follow through of the process then fine, but this just smacks of making change for the sake of it and people justifying their jobs.

This really isn't root and branch change in the truest sense.

[independent]

It seems as if it is easier to lose people than it is to replace them. We need at least most of those incoming to be better than those who have left. Is anyone confident that this will be the case?

[independent]

Jul 12, 2023 11:21:31 GMT greenhoffsleftboot said:

Need to remember that some of these leavers have been head-hunted to go to other, bigger, jobs elsewhere. That shows that the general picture is good - big clubs want our staff.

But also the club has been coasting post-relegation. It really did need a good sorting out. And some of the new appointments - recruitment, head coach etc, look very promising.

This shows that we had some good people who are being poached by others. We should be keeping the best and getting rid of the rest. Instead it looks like we are doing the opposite.

[Gob Bluth]

Results will say whether it’s good or bad. It could be another waste of money but who knows, let’s give them a bit of time. I think the problem they face is Neil has used up a fair amount of goodwill after last season.

[sensiblestokie]

Oooh I was in charge of a company 🙄🙄

[independent]

Jul 12, 2023 13:38:00 GMT Gob Bluth said:

Results will say whether it’s good or bad. It could be another waste of money but who knows, let’s give them a bit of time. I think the problem they face is Neil has used up a fair amount of goodwill after last season.

Surely not. A lot of people on here think that he performed miracles in avoiding relegation. Hopefully, with his own side this year we will see some actual progress. 

[SCFC92]

Jul 12, 2023 12:58:29 GMT independent said:

It seems as if it is easier to lose people than it is to replace them. We need at least most of those incoming to be better than those who have left. Is anyone confident that this will be the case?

Hardly difficult. It's been nothing short of diabolical the last 5-6 years.

This is a long time coming, and it's good to see us finally wake up to the fact that some people both on and off the pitch needing shipping out.

Lets see how it works out, but we couldn't continue as we were.

[Clem Fandango]

Jul 12, 2023 12:50:25 GMT theonlooker said:

Jul 12, 2023 12:46:55 GMT LGH87 said:

We've all been crying out for root and branch change for the last 5/6 years.

It's finally happening and people are moaning.

The Academy is the last place it needed rooting and branching though and it's the hardest to affect change in such an environment where transient change is rife, and that transient change is in total control. It will take 10 years or more to see the true effects of that change and I'd put my house and home on the two people affecting this change will no longer be employed by the club at that time.

If the root and branch was to take control of the Academy away from the manager and his mate and bring it under the umbrella of the club with a genuine 'DNA' running through it and people employed for that DNA to enable complete follow through of the process then fine, but this just smacks of making change for the sake of it and people justifying their jobs.

This really isn't root and branch change in the truest sense.

I could be wrong as I dont have geninue insider knowledge but the academy struck me as the one area of the club that was working.

[Deleted]

Let's be honest for the amount of investment in the academy it's returns have been modest.

Campbell, Collins and Souttar all came in late and were already highly regarded. Souttar slightly less so than the other two.

Who have we actually brought through from a young age to play at our level or better?

[independent]

At a time when you are replacing 10 or 12 players it might have been wiser to "make haste slowly" when changing everything else at the club. Would you make 5 substitutions at the same time if you were allowed to do so during a game? I do see the necessity for change and embrace it, just don't understand the rush. It's not as if the replacements have all been available for an immediate start.

[hoppo96]

not opposed to people leaving, my concern is who is guiding these changes (not to mention if we bring better people in)

[svengaliinplatforms]

I think that at this stage, we just need to sit back and see what unfolds.

Get it right - and those at the helm are genuises.

Get it wrong, we can always organise a protest vs. Forest Green Rovers at the Bet365 in a couple of years' time.

[independent]

What if it ends up half right and no visible improvement. Do we give him a second chance to get it right? Hopefully,it will work out well and we will all wonder what we were worrying about. This was meant to be our opportunity for a great leap forward.

[stokesaint1]

Based on the last 6 years performance, I don't think there have been too many leavers. What we have, as it stands, is not enough joiners.

[iamstokie]

another brexit thread 🙄😉😂😂

[mrcoke]

Surely our main concern is the quality of those recruited over the last 6 years at all levels? 

And by implication those doing the recruiting. 

Not all our problems have been on the pitch. Ticketing, catering, toilets, IT, etc. It takes a master stroke to spend a decade in the world's top league, the only club apart from the big 6 plus Everton, then decide to extend the ground and get relegated.

[mrcoke]

Jul 12, 2023 18:29:42 GMT iamstokie said:

another brexit thread 🙄😉😂😂

I took that as an invitation to post. 

[davejohnno1]

Looks like Owen has chosen to leave of his own accord. A disagreement on direction perhaps? Marginalised by new incoming staff?

[gingerninja]

It certainly is a summer of massive overhaul on the playing and coaching staff throughout all levels. Let's hope that it kick starts a new era where we flourish as a club, I think most fair minded fans would agree to see where the new structure and appointments take us.

[davejohnno1]

Jul 12, 2023 19:40:53 GMT gingerninja said:

It certainly is a summer of massive overhaul on the playing and coaching staff throughout all levels. Let's hope that it kick starts a new era where we flourish as a club, I think most fair minded fans would agree to see where the new structure and appointments take us.

I don't think we'll find too many people arguing against an overhaul. A near complete overhaul was required. Clearly the club had become complacent and whilst the academy has received plaudits in recent times, those who experience it first hand, in my experience, rarely seem to speak well of it at any level pre u18's, be that re coaching, how kids are treated, experiences for the kids or the facilities.

The concern with this overhaul, certainly from my perspective, is who is driving it? You obviously assume that it's Neil and Martin but to me, the jury remains very much out on the manager. We have to hope he's the right man because if he isn't, we will have to overhaul the whole club again in the relatively near future. You'd hope, with this scale of churn, that the foundations are being laid for the next 5 to 10 years. If the people are wrong, that isn't going to happen.

I hope beyond hope we've got the right man at the helm and that the overhaul is successful. Time will tell.