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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 14, 2023 14:59:37 GMT
It happens when you’re going through a culture change. I’ve seen it happen in big and small companies. Possibly overdue in some regards. Time will tell if it’s a success but I hope it works out. Way overdue and good to have a clear out and restart. When are we actually going to have a proper system in place though? One that does not 100% rely on whichever British manager we will inevitably bring in. If this doesnt work then we really will be up the proverbial creek without a paddle. I can see some people seeing this as a complete overhaul, I see it at the moment as a very risky 'stick all the eggs in the AN basket'. Nothing has changed in my eyes with this. Its the same old, same old...............get a British manager and give him carte blanche to do whatever he wants. I pray that AN is good enough to do this, I have severe doubts at the moment.
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Post by skemstokie on Jul 15, 2023 8:42:30 GMT
Nobody comes to work to do a bad job at some point you have to question the leaders if it’s everyone’s else’s fault But they have done a bad job…. If nothing changes,no new ideas or concepts are added things do tend to stagnate,not sure if all the changes were needed or wether all the changes were made by the club but change was needed.
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Post by a on Jul 16, 2023 9:46:24 GMT
But they have done a bad job…. If nothing changes,no new ideas or concepts are added things do tend to stagnate,not sure if all the changes were needed or wether all the changes were made by the club but change was needed. Exactly. I think some people fear change maybe? I’m not one for people losing their jobs by the way but the club seems to be trying a new direction and that should be encouraged in my opinion.
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 16, 2023 11:28:46 GMT
Nobody comes to work to do a bad job at some point you have to question the leaders if it’s everyone’s else’s fault But they have done a bad job…. having read all the comments about how well most of the youngster performed out in Spain it’s got to be said they’re done a cracking job
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Post by a on Jul 16, 2023 11:35:23 GMT
But they have done a bad job…. having read all the comments about how well most of the youngster performed out in Spain it’s got to be said they’re done a cracking job It’s positive but I’ll keep my powder dry when it comes to pre season friendlies. I’d love us to conveyor some quality youth through and hope they can contribute.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 16, 2023 14:33:21 GMT
Way overdue and good to have a clear out and restart. When are we actually going to have a proper system in place though? One that does not 100% rely on whichever British manager we will inevitably bring in. If this doesnt work then we really will be up the proverbial creek without a paddle. I can see some people seeing this as a complete overhaul, I see it at the moment as a very risky 'stick all the eggs in the AN basket'. Nothing has changed in my eyes with this. Its the same old, same old...............get a British manager and give him carte blanche to do whatever he wants. I pray that AN is good enough to do this, I have severe doubts at the moment. The director of football/manager as coach model has its merits but in effect the problem you highlight don't go away - just that the key appointment is the director of football rather than the manager. There is no guarantee that a club will get the director of football right regardless of their nationality and if it goes wrong the upheaval is just as great as sacking the god manager. There's no such thing as the perfect operating model in the same way as there is no such thing as the perfect formation. What matters is how well you do it.
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 16, 2023 16:44:32 GMT
When are we actually going to have a proper system in place though? One that does not 100% rely on whichever British manager we will inevitably bring in. If this doesnt work then we really will be up the proverbial creek without a paddle. I can see some people seeing this as a complete overhaul, I see it at the moment as a very risky 'stick all the eggs in the AN basket'. Nothing has changed in my eyes with this. Its the same old, same old...............get a British manager and give him carte blanche to do whatever he wants. I pray that AN is good enough to do this, I have severe doubts at the moment. The director of football/manager as coach model has its merits but in effect the problem you highlight don't go away - just that the key appointment is the director of football rather than the manager. There is no guarantee that a club will get the director of football right regardless of their nationality and if it goes wrong the upheaval is just as great as sacking the god manager. There's no such thing as the perfect operating model in the same way as there is no such thing as the perfect formation. What matters is how well you do it. It's a better model for continuity in the first team coaching and recruitment I think. You end up with similar players and similar coaches and there is a smoother transition between first team coaches and the chances of a quicker upturn in results are raised. With our model you are essentially asking non football people like John Coates to make the perfect football appointment time after time. It's got a much lower percentage chance of happening than if you appoint a football person to make a football decision IMO. Perfect? Of course not, it's football.
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 16, 2023 18:02:09 GMT
The director of football/manager as coach model has its merits but in effect the problem you highlight don't go away - just that the key appointment is the director of football rather than the manager. There is no guarantee that a club will get the director of football right regardless of their nationality and if it goes wrong the upheaval is just as great as sacking the god manager. There's no such thing as the perfect operating model in the same way as there is no such thing as the perfect formation. What matters is how well you do it. It's a better model for continuity in the first team coaching and recruitment I think. You end up with similar players and similar coaches and there is a smoother transition between first team coaches and the chances of a quicker upturn in results are raised. With our model you are essentially asking non football people like John Coates to make the perfect football appointment time after time. It's got a much lower percentage chance of happening than if you appoint a football person to make a football decision IMO. Perfect? Of course not, it's football. where as it worked consistently though ?
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 16, 2023 18:07:28 GMT
It's a better model for continuity in the first team coaching and recruitment I think. You end up with similar players and similar coaches and there is a smoother transition between first team coaches and the chances of a quicker upturn in results are raised. With our model you are essentially asking non football people like John Coates to make the perfect football appointment time after time. It's got a much lower percentage chance of happening than if you appoint a football person to make a football decision IMO. Perfect? Of course not, it's football. where as it worked consistently though ? Nothing works consistently, that's football where even the best of the best dip in and out from time to time. Brentford and Brighton are probably the highest profile clubs where it's worked for a decent amount of time and there is a semblance of a plan. Contrast that to us though where whatever plan we have has consistently crashed and burned for far too long. I'd like to think that if we had a DOF and a continuity model with our recruitment and coaching staff that we would have at least had a decent tilt at the play offs at some stage over the last 5 years.
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 16, 2023 18:12:28 GMT
where as it worked consistently though ? Nothing works consistently, that's football where even the best of the best dip in and out from time to time. Brentford and Brighton are probably the highest profile clubs where it's worked for a decent amount of time and there is a semblance of a plan. Contrast that to us though where whatever plan we have has consistently crashed and burned for far too long. I'd like to think that if we had a DOF and a continuity model with our recruitment and coaching staff that we would have at least had a decent tilt at the play offs at some stage over the last 5 years. i don’t think your wrong as the system we have needs to change , i don’t trust Coates Jnr to ever get a manager appointed right , but i have concerns about a dof , to be tied down to one type of football doesn’t sit well with me and you will never guarantee if you sack one manager that one to suit the system you built is available
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 16, 2023 18:20:07 GMT
Nothing works consistently, that's football where even the best of the best dip in and out from time to time. Brentford and Brighton are probably the highest profile clubs where it's worked for a decent amount of time and there is a semblance of a plan. Contrast that to us though where whatever plan we have has consistently crashed and burned for far too long. I'd like to think that if we had a DOF and a continuity model with our recruitment and coaching staff that we would have at least had a decent tilt at the play offs at some stage over the last 5 years. i don’t think your wrong as the system we have needs to change , i don’t trust Coates Jnr to ever get a manager appointed right , but i have concerns about a dof , to be tied down to one type of football doesn’t sit well with me and you will never guarantee if you sack one manager that one to suit the system you built is available A proper DOF won't do what our owners do though, dilly dally, sack then panic and appoint any old manager regardless of style - often the polar opposite of the previous. A proper DOF will have a succession plan with similar managers in mind to take over when the time comes. If Neil needs replacing early next season having built a side for 433, it wouldn't come as any surprise that the owners would go for 'wing back' Wilder would it? That's the issue.
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 16, 2023 18:29:23 GMT
i don’t think your wrong as the system we have needs to change , i don’t trust Coates Jnr to ever get a manager appointed right , but i have concerns about a dof , to be tied down to one type of football doesn’t sit well with me and you will never guarantee if you sack one manager that one to suit the system you built is available A proper DOF won't do what our owners do though, dilly dally, sack then panic and appoint any old manager regardless of style - often the polar opposite of the previous. A proper DOF will have a succession plan with similar managers in mind to take over when the time comes. If Neil needs replacing early next season having built a side for 433, it wouldn't come as any surprise that the owners would go for 'wing back' Wilder would it? That's the issue. i’m old fashioned , i believe managers and to an extent player should be able adapt to different tactics and formations and not just get stuck on one
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 16, 2023 18:30:48 GMT
i don’t think your wrong as the system we have needs to change , i don’t trust Coates Jnr to ever get a manager appointed right , but i have concerns about a dof , to be tied down to one type of football doesn’t sit well with me and you will never guarantee if you sack one manager that one to suit the system you built is available A proper DOF won't do what our owners do though, dilly dally, sack then panic and appoint any old manager regardless of style - often the polar opposite of the previous. A proper DOF will have a succession plan with similar managers in mind to take over when the time comes. When Neil needs replacing early next season having built a side for 433, it wouldn't come as any surprise that the owners would go for 'wing back' Wilder would it? That's the issue. . corrected that for you 😁
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