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Post by iamstokie on Jul 6, 2023 17:51:28 GMT
the lack of signings is evidence that we weren’t No it isn't. it certainly is
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 6, 2023 18:04:49 GMT
I don't think the current squad looks too bad considering we've failed to finish in the top half for five seasons. It's average in the goalkeeping department, and the midfield needs a Pearson-esque player plus more creativity. We have some very promising young players and hopefully at least a couple should step up this season. It's going to get bulked out with better players, permanently and on loan. It stinks of relegation as it is. 1 million percent. Neil needs to perform miracles in the transfer market.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 6, 2023 18:09:23 GMT
I agree we should of signed 10 players before the end of June.. stuff the fact players were on holiday or under contract, or even have the option to speak to any number of clubs before deciding g where they choose to go.. I even think we should of paid over the odds for these players in the last few weeks of their contracts instead of waiting till there out of contract. Absolutely no point waiting for better players go become available.. just sign any old carthouse on long contracts quickly like Nathan Jones did...cause that worked out so well I get all of what you are saying but..... Clearly the plan since AN joined was to have a huge clearout out both prior to and during the summer break. That has happened. Coaches, players, scouts, recruitments heads etc. have all gone. Remember this is on the back of our worst league finish since relegation. If that is the plan and has always been the plan then surely you are prepared in advance about who you want to get to replace the leavers. Coaching/scouts etc should have walked into the building as the others walked out. Not this shit show we are currently seeing. Players should have walked in as others walked out. Not this shit show we are currently seeing. I get that is not always straight forward but at the moment we have signed a 33 year old left back. It's a total shit show. A very very worrying shit show. A relegation written all over it shit show. In summary, it's a shit show however you try and dress it up. Maybe the plan was to get Gallagher as our coach. Maybe Preston were looking after there own interests and holding out for compo. Maybe stoke had to negotiate to bring the compo figure down, Maybe Gallagher couldn't join until the compo was sorted. When it was sorted he joined ASAP. Just because stoke want players doesn't mean players are going to rush making their decision whether to join or not. Maybe clubs don't want to let them go.. If you wake up one morning and decide you want to move house you can't just go to another house and move straight in. You have to agree a price with current owners, find a buyer for your house, await land searches and solicitor legalities.. Sometimes in life things take time to get done. It is what it is.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 6, 2023 18:11:12 GMT
I get all of what you are saying but..... Clearly the plan since AN joined was to have a huge clearout out both prior to and during the summer break. That has happened. Coaches, players, scouts, recruitments heads etc. have all gone. Remember this is on the back of our worst league finish since relegation. If that is the plan and has always been the plan then surely you are prepared in advance about who you want to get to replace the leavers. Coaching/scouts etc should have walked into the building as the others walked out. Not this shit show we are currently seeing. Players should have walked in as others walked out. Not this shit show we are currently seeing. I get that is not always straight forward but at the moment we have signed a 33 year old left back. It's a total shit show. A very very worrying shit show. A relegation written all over it shit show. In summary, it's a shit show however you try and dress it up. Maybe the plan was to get Gallagher as our coach. Maybe Preston were looking after there own interests and holding out for compo. Maybe stoke had to negotiate to bring the compo figure down, Maybe Gallagher couldn't join until the compo was sorted. When it was sorted he joined ASAP. Just because stoke want players doesn't mean players are going to rush making their decision whether to join or not. Maybe clubs don't want to let them go.. If you wake up one morning and decide you want to move house you can't just go to another house and move straight in. You have to agree a price with current owners, find a buyer for your house, await land searches and solicitor legalities.. Sometimes in life things take time to get done. It is what it is. Indeed but the same applies to Bristol city , middlesboro , Norwich to name but three who have succeeded making additions
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Post by a on Jul 6, 2023 18:53:37 GMT
I don't think the current squad looks too bad considering we've failed to finish in the top half for five seasons. It's average in the goalkeeping department, and the midfield needs a Pearson-esque player plus more creativity. We have some very promising young players and hopefully at least a couple should step up this season. It's going to get bulked out with better players, permanently and on loan. It stinks of relegation as it is. 1 million percent. Neil needs to perform miracles in the transfer market. When does the window shut? 31st August? Still plenty of time yet.
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Post by adamsson on Jul 6, 2023 19:17:18 GMT
Seems like they have not sacked AN but they are not backing him either because they plan to sack him in October. This seems like a really stupid idea but not really surprising
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 6, 2023 19:27:27 GMT
Seems like they have not sacked AN but they are not backing him either because they plan to sack him in October. This seems like a really stupid idea but not really surprising He’s not , not getting backed , it’s just obviously hard to sell a vision where mediocre Alex and spivy Ricky are the centre pieces , unless your 33 amd haven’t played for a couple of years and don’t have a contract .
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Post by sportsman on Jul 6, 2023 19:32:19 GMT
Seems like they have not sacked AN but they are not backing him either because they plan to sack him in October. This seems like a really stupid idea but not really surprising Bloody hell! What's wrong with people on here? I can't even be arsed explain it all again now. I do worry about some people not being able to understand
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 19:33:55 GMT
Seems like they have not sacked AN but they are not backing him either because they plan to sack him in October. This seems like a really stupid idea but not really surprising Stay off the glue
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Post by fraybentos on Jul 6, 2023 19:38:23 GMT
Seems like they have not sacked AN but they are not backing him either because they plan to sack him in October. This seems like a really stupid idea but not really surprising I’m thinking last week of the transfer window
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Post by baystokie on Jul 6, 2023 19:45:07 GMT
Maybe the plan was to get Gallagher as our coach. Maybe Preston were looking after there own interests and holding out for compo. Maybe stoke had to negotiate to bring the compo figure down, Maybe Gallagher couldn't join until the compo was sorted. When it was sorted he joined ASAP. Just because stoke want players doesn't mean players are going to rush making their decision whether to join or not. Maybe clubs don't want to let them go.. If you wake up one morning and decide you want to move house you can't just go to another house and move straight in. You have to agree a price with current owners, find a buyer for your house, await land searches and solicitor legalities.. Sometimes in life things take time to get done. It is what it is. Indeed but the same applies to Bristol city , middlesboro , Norwich to name but three who have succeeded making additions Maybe the type of players they need were available and the type we need will take a little longer before being available?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 6, 2023 19:58:54 GMT
Indeed but the same applies to Bristol city , middlesboro , Norwich to name but three who have succeeded making additions Maybe the type of players they need were available and the type we need will take a little longer before being available? Time will tell but no one surely thinks where we are now was the plan
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 21:18:50 GMT
I agree we should of signed 10 players before the end of June.. stuff the fact players were on holiday or under contract, or even have the option to speak to any number of clubs before deciding g where they choose to go.. I even think we should of paid over the odds for these players in the last few weeks of their contracts instead of waiting till there out of contract. Absolutely no point waiting for better players go become available.. just sign any old carthouse on long contracts quickly like Nathan Jones did...cause that worked out so well I get all of what you are saying but..... Clearly the plan since AN joined was to have a huge clearout out both prior to and during the summer break. That has happened. Coaches, players, scouts, recruitments heads etc. have all gone. Remember this is on the back of our worst league finish since relegation. If that is the plan and has always been the plan then surely you are prepared in advance about who you want to get to replace the leavers. Coaching/scouts etc should have walked into the building as the others walked out. Not this shit show we are currently seeing. Players should have walked in as others walked out. Not this shit show we are currently seeing. I get that is not always straight forward but at the moment we have signed a 33 year old left back. It's a total shit show. A very very worrying shit show. A relegation written all over it shit show. In summary, it's a shit show however you try and dress it up. I'm just guessing that you might think 'it's a shit show'.
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Post by BuzzB on Jul 6, 2023 21:31:01 GMT
P A T I E N C Eis a virtue, good things come to those that wait.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jul 6, 2023 21:33:50 GMT
I get all of what you are saying but..... Clearly the plan since AN joined was to have a huge clearout out both prior to and during the summer break. That has happened. Coaches, players, scouts, recruitments heads etc. have all gone. Remember this is on the back of our worst league finish since relegation. If that is the plan and has always been the plan then surely you are prepared in advance about who you want to get to replace the leavers. Coaching/scouts etc should have walked into the building as the others walked out. Not this shit show we are currently seeing. Players should have walked in as others walked out. Not this shit show we are currently seeing. I get that is not always straight forward but at the moment we have signed a 33 year old left back. It's a total shit show. A very very worrying shit show. A relegation written all over it shit show. In summary, it's a shit show however you try and dress it up. Maybe the plan was to get Gallagher as our coach. Maybe Preston were looking after there own interests and holding out for compo. Maybe stoke had to negotiate to bring the compo figure down, Maybe Gallagher couldn't join until the compo was sorted. When it was sorted he joined ASAP. Just because stoke want players doesn't mean players are going to rush making their decision whether to join or not. Maybe clubs don't want to let them go.. If you wake up one morning and decide you want to move house you can't just go to another house and move straight in. You have to agree a price with current owners, find a buyer for your house, await land searches and solicitor legalities.. Sometimes in life things take time to get done. It is what it is. I get that. But using your analogy Stoke have woke one morning and decided they want to move house but they have already sold their house.
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Jul 6, 2023 21:55:29 GMT
COATES(ES) OUT
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Post by Gods on Jul 6, 2023 22:23:07 GMT
I think we're putting to much emphasis on this trip to Spain, there's teams already on or had their trips abroad, they haven't signed many either. Granted they may not need 10/12 like we do. Pulis and Austria is a great comparison though, we'd go there hardly with any new faces then by the window he'd have signed 8/9, most on deadline day haha. It's not ideal but it's not going to make or break our season. What will make or break the season is getting the right players in. Pete Smith is bang on with what he says in the sentinel a few posts above this one. I agree. Who does or doesn't spend a few days pissing about in Spain is a complete irrelevance. There is zero correlation between what happens in Spain and our chances for the season. It's basically one of those work 'off-sites' we've all been to where you have to pretend to like one another. For a quiet life you fix an inane grin on your face and hope it will all soon be over!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 6, 2023 22:32:39 GMT
At this stage in a pre-season have we ever had a worse playing squad? I remember before the 1984/85 season we were very weak. That turned out to be a record breaking season for all the wrong reasons. This is a high risk strategy that is being taken to gamble on being able to recruit 10+ players in the few weeks we have left before the season starts. Not to mention the back room staff. Hopefully Alex Neal is a genius or this could all end very badly. Is there a plan? Hard to see it. This pre-season is very reminiscent of the one we had when Boskamp joined us. 8 Senior professionals I think we had back then but we made some interesting signings and it ended up being a season I enjoyed. Some shocking home performances but away from home, we were largely excellent.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 6, 2023 22:37:41 GMT
I get all of what you are saying but..... Clearly the plan since AN joined was to have a huge clearout out both prior to and during the summer break. That has happened. Coaches, players, scouts, recruitments heads etc. have all gone. Remember this is on the back of our worst league finish since relegation. If that is the plan and has always been the plan then surely you are prepared in advance about who you want to get to replace the leavers. Coaching/scouts etc should have walked into the building as the others walked out. Not this shit show we are currently seeing. Players should have walked in as others walked out. Not this shit show we are currently seeing. I get that is not always straight forward but at the moment we have signed a 33 year old left back. It's a total shit show. A very very worrying shit show. A relegation written all over it shit show. In summary, it's a shit show however you try and dress it up. Maybe the plan was to get Gallagher as our coach. Maybe Preston were looking after there own interests and holding out for compo. Maybe stoke had to negotiate to bring the compo figure down, Maybe Gallagher couldn't join until the compo was sorted. When it was sorted he joined ASAP. Just because stoke want players doesn't mean players are going to rush making their decision whether to join or not. Maybe clubs don't want to let them go.. If you wake up one morning and decide you want to move house you can't just go to another house and move straight in. You have to agree a price with current owners, find a buyer for your house, await land searches and solicitor legalities.. Sometimes in life things take time to get done. It is what it is. I have no idea at all if Gallagher was our first choice for the coaching role he's taken up or even if there'll be another addition to the backroom staff alongside him. What I do know is that we offered a member of Wigan's backroom team a role in our set up and despite all the uncertainty at that club, he's still with Wigan.
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 6, 2023 22:51:06 GMT
Maybe the plan was to get Gallagher as our coach. Maybe Preston were looking after there own interests and holding out for compo. Maybe stoke had to negotiate to bring the compo figure down, Maybe Gallagher couldn't join until the compo was sorted. When it was sorted he joined ASAP. Just because stoke want players doesn't mean players are going to rush making their decision whether to join or not. Maybe clubs don't want to let them go.. If you wake up one morning and decide you want to move house you can't just go to another house and move straight in. You have to agree a price with current owners, find a buyer for your house, await land searches and solicitor legalities.. Sometimes in life things take time to get done. It is what it is. I have no idea at all if Gallagher was our first choice for the coaching role he's taken up or even if there'll be another addition to the backroom staff alongside him. What I do know is that we offered a member of Wigan's backroom team a role in our set up and despite all the uncertainty at that club, he's still with Wigan. Oh dear, oh dear.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 6, 2023 22:57:20 GMT
How is, its evidence of nothing apart from we've made one signing, do you really think they've sat around doing nothing until this week, don't be daft.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 6, 2023 22:58:16 GMT
Maybe the plan was to get Gallagher as our coach. Maybe Preston were looking after there own interests and holding out for compo. Maybe stoke had to negotiate to bring the compo figure down, Maybe Gallagher couldn't join until the compo was sorted. When it was sorted he joined ASAP. Just because stoke want players doesn't mean players are going to rush making their decision whether to join or not. Maybe clubs don't want to let them go.. If you wake up one morning and decide you want to move house you can't just go to another house and move straight in. You have to agree a price with current owners, find a buyer for your house, await land searches and solicitor legalities.. Sometimes in life things take time to get done. It is what it is. I have no idea at all if Gallagher was our first choice for the coaching role he's taken up or even if there'll be another addition to the backroom staff alongside him. What I do know is that we offered a member of Wigan's backroom team a role in our set up and despite all the uncertainty at that club, he's still with Wigan. Oh well, maybe he likes it there, maybe he's settled, maybe he thinks he can get a better offer.
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Post by stokie1 on Jul 7, 2023 3:37:37 GMT
I can’t remember seeing a club let senior players leave without a plan to replace them. It seems strange to me. Hopefully Neal is a meticulous coach and has a clear vision and doesn’t lose the first few games of the season or he will be gone and we will be in the mire. Surely we can’t be trying to progress by using the loan system again? It could plug a few gaps but we have a lot of gaps right now. We need two center halves, two midfielders, a right back, at least one winger / attacking midfielder and a number 9. And let’s be honest we need a quality keeper as well. A lot of work to do…. Let’s hope they pull it off!
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 7, 2023 9:54:14 GMT
I can’t remember seeing a club let senior players leave without a plan to replace them. It seems strange to me. Hopefully Neal is a meticulous coach and has a clear vision and doesn’t lose the first few games of the season or he will be gone and we will be in the mire. Surely we can’t be trying to progress by using the loan system again? It could plug a few gaps but we have a lot of gaps right now. We need two center halves, two midfielders, a right back, at least one winger / attacking midfielder and a number 9. And let’s be honest we need a quality keeper as well. A lot of work to do…. Let’s hope they pull it off! I'm intrigued to see what is happening at Man City. They have just won three major trophies with a tremendous and much admired team, yet they are now reported as being ready to sell up to 6 important players-- Kyle Walker, Ilkay Gundogan, Bernardo Silva, Joao Cancelo, Riyad Mahrez, and Aymeric Laporte. Who do you get in to replace such illustrious key players!
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Post by independent on Jul 7, 2023 10:57:48 GMT
Maybe Pep should ring AN for the answer.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 7, 2023 12:18:55 GMT
I can’t remember seeing a club let senior players leave without a plan to replace them. It seems strange to me. Hopefully Neal is a meticulous coach and has a clear vision and doesn’t lose the first few games of the season or he will be gone and we will be in the mire. Surely we can’t be trying to progress by using the loan system again? It could plug a few gaps but we have a lot of gaps right now. We need two center halves, two midfielders, a right back, at least one winger / attacking midfielder and a number 9. And let’s be honest we need a quality keeper as well. A lot of work to do…. Let’s hope they pull it off! I'm intrigued to see what is happening at Man City. They have just won three major trophies with a tremendous and much admired team, yet they are now reported as being ready to sell up to 6 important players-- Kyle Walker, Ilkay Gundogan, Bernardo Silva, Joao Cancelo, Riyad Mahrez, and Aymeric Laporte. Who do you get in to replace such illustrious key players! Pep has even lost his 1st team coach to Leicester and still hasn't replaced him.. club must be in total meltdown up there. Can add Liverpool to that list. Robbie firmino leaves end of last season. Everyone knew about it weeks before season end. Yet still Liverpool haven't signed a new striker to replace him..absolute disgrace. Pep out Klopp out Neil out.. Totally clueless the lot of em.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 14:56:34 GMT
To anyone, with the idea that the players have to be signed , bedded in and know what they are doing by the 31 August, then that's wrong.
They have to be signed, bedded in and know what they are doing by Friday 4 August, because the season kicks off, Saturday 5 August.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 7, 2023 15:24:20 GMT
Seems like they have not sacked AN but they are not backing him either because they plan to sack him in October. This seems like a really stupid idea but not really surprising You are right it is a stupid idea. However you are wrong about it it not being surprising - it's mind boggling that anyone actually thinks it is a plausible explanation for what what is actually happening.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 7, 2023 16:37:43 GMT
P A T I E N C Eis a virtue, good things come to those that wait. This boards full of patience. Oh no sorry that should be patients.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 8, 2023 13:29:34 GMT
It's all gone quiet here!!
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