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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 6, 2023 10:29:26 GMT
Obviously there’s a reason why most of the staff have left, no idea why but there’s no smoke without fire. This has a disaster written all over it and in truth we’ve been recklessly heading this way for the past 6 seasons so it doesn’t come as a massive surprise. Probably because we've been shit for season on season and the manager wanted his own people in.
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Post by snoogle on Jul 6, 2023 10:38:22 GMT
Suppose the Spain trip will be of some limited value. Good experience for the u21s etc. But when you just mentally calculate how many of these players will be starting games for us over the next 12 months, you don't need all your fingers Even amongst the 'senior' players, there are big questions about Edwards, Tymon, Taylor, Thompson, Baker, Gayle and DWP That Squad is absolutely Woeful ! 100% The Worst I’ve seen for man a year ! Stinks of Relegation ! Bonham, FieldingBlondy, Simkin EdwardsStevens, TymonWilmot, Taylor Badley-Morgan, Okagbue, M. Baker Thompson, Laurent , L. BakerGriffiths, Sparrow, Kershaw, Singh Campbell, Brown, Gayle, DWPTezgel, Lowe, McGuinness, Reddin, Andersson
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Post by independent on Jul 6, 2023 10:54:32 GMT
Obviously there’s a reason why most of the staff have left, no idea why but there’s no smoke without fire. This has a disaster written all over it and in truth we’ve been recklessly heading this way for the past 6 seasons so it doesn’t come as a massive surprise. Probably because we've been shit for season on season and the manager wanted his own people in.Fair enough. But just get them in. I see no reason the backroom staff shouldn't have been sorted by now. Players are a whole different ball game and we have to hold our nerve regarding them. We obviously aren't signing 5/7 star players who have multiple offers to consider. Most of our signings will be solid journeymen who should be a lot easier to get. The failure to do so is a tad concerning. Remember this is the best position we have been in since Rowett's splurge. AN's record regarding signing players is not great, but we have to hope for the best. Hopefully, it will all work out.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 6, 2023 11:16:19 GMT
Probably because we've been shit for season on season and the manager wanted his own people in. Fair enough. But just get them in. I see no reason the backroom staff shouldn't have been sorted by now. Players are a whole different ball game and we have to hold our nerve regarding them. We obviously aren't signing 5/7 star players who have multiple offers to consider. Most of our signings will be solid journeymen who should be a lot easier to get. The failure to do so is a tad concerning. Remember this is the best position we have been in since Rowett's splurge. AN's record regarding signing players is not great, but we have to hope for the best. Hopefully, it will all work out. I'm sure that's what they've been trying to do, I doubt they waited this long on purpose, Gallagher was under contract so they had to agree a deal and the head of recruitment had to wait for a work permit, both of those are largely out of the clubs hands (unless maybe they were willing to pay over the odds for a first team coach). I haven't seen anything so far to cause me concern with regards to the players we're getting in, Stevens and Johnson (if he signs) make sense to me.
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Post by questionable on Jul 6, 2023 11:41:00 GMT
Who out of all the staff that have left would you have kept? He doesn't do answers, just baseless doom-mongering. He's the Wish version of Benji. Find it hard to reply when driving. In response I’d assume that whoever was leaving would have been spoken to as why they were leaving and any grievances aired and sorted that’s if Stoke wanted them to remain ofc. Notice periods served and any positions advertised and filled as close as possible to the persons leaving date, which we haven’t obviously done. I read somewhere that Ricky hadn’t worked in football since his Norwich days with AN, that itself is alarming and Gallagher anytime now when training started weeks ago
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 6, 2023 11:53:37 GMT
He doesn't do answers, just baseless doom-mongering. He's the Wish version of Benji. Find it hard to reply when driving. In response I’d assume that whoever was leaving would have been spoken to as why they were leaving and any grievances aired and sorted that’s if Stoke wanted them to remain ofc. Notice periods served and any positions advertised and filled as close as possible to the persons leaving date, which we haven’t obviously done. I read somewhere that Ricky hadn’t worked in football since his Norwich days with AN, that itself is alarming and Gallagher anytime now when training started weeks ago You still haven't answered the question though. Who out of the staff we got rid of would you have kept, bearing in mind I can only think of Walker who went of his own accord? Also I'm fairly certain Martin was employed by Wet Sham in the Premier League in between Norwich and us.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 6, 2023 11:59:41 GMT
OK then let's go buy any Tom dick or Harry like we did in January and hope they play well as a team we could end up doing that anyway... we should have been planning for this window from march I just can't get my head around some people on here. The piece written says some of the targets we're after are ones that could be playing in the premier league and because of that some of them might not drop until later in the window. If that's the case it doesn't matter how long we've been planning for these players, that is always when they'll drop it they do. If you want the better players you have to be patient is basically the message.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 6, 2023 12:03:05 GMT
I still have faith that AN will get a squad together that will be competitive.
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Post by idle on Jul 6, 2023 12:08:31 GMT
Sorry, and I know there are a few weeks left before we start the season, but I really can't see how anyone can't be slightly worried about our squad. Very few are saying they're not worried or think everything'll be fine. In fact most say it's a huge job, but they'll reserve judgement until nearer the start of the season. Even more worrying is how people think that players will be falling over themselves to join a club with five bottom half Championship finishes and with no sign of that being put right anytime soon? Most worrying for me is how not one of the loan players we had last season look like joining us. "No sign of that being put right anytime soon?" What do you think this rebuild is? The trouble is, this is a double-edged sword. Players wil be wary of joining us because 1. they're not sure how good we'll be come August/September and 2. there's no cushy fat paying job as the club anymore. Which is a good thing! Maybe in a month's time it'll have changed - but we will be playing catch up again with players basically getting to know each other's names in August. We shopuld have had a number in by now before our Spanish camp.....the names on that lost who are going fills me with dread. Sure, I kinda agree that this would be ideal, but it's not that simple. But once Johnson, a striker and (god willing) Pearson joins a lot more will see us as a good project. Or so I hope, I'm not gonna panic when the season is 4 weeks aways. Plus, there wasn't ever any "time to gel" when Pulis was here. He was bringing in players on loan all season, and loads of them! Take a look at the number of used players in 2006/07 and 2007/08. It's a fucking mile long list! It was sink or swim for every one of them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 6, 2023 12:12:28 GMT
He doesn't do answers, just baseless doom-mongering. He's the Wish version of Benji. Find it hard to reply when driving. In response I’d assume that whoever was leaving would have been spoken to as why they were leaving and any grievances aired and sorted that’s if Stoke wanted them to remain ofc. Notice periods served and any positions advertised and filled as close as possible to the persons leaving date, which we haven’t obviously done. I read somewhere that Ricky hadn’t worked in football since his Norwich days with AN, that itself is alarming and Gallagher anytime now when training started weeks ago We didn’t want them to remain though and people leave with immediate effect in football all the time? Martin was working with the academy at West Ham wasn’t he?
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Post by Goonie on Jul 6, 2023 12:30:46 GMT
I am not renowned for my optimism but even I am quite shocked by the doom and gloom.
If the season was the length of a football match we haven't even handed in the team sheet yet prior to kick off!
Let's adopt some patience and see where we're at come August - I know it's boring now but FFS there's weeks left in the window
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Post by independent on Jul 6, 2023 12:41:51 GMT
we could end up doing that anyway... we should have been planning for this window from march I just can't get my head around some people on here. The piece written says some of the targets we're after are ones that could be playing in the premier league and because of that some of them might not drop until later in the window. If that's the case it doesn't matter how long we've been planning for these players, that is always when they'll drop it they do. If you want the better players you have to be patient is basically the message. We are probably going to sign another 11 players including 5 loans. Do you really believe that we will be signing 11 players who could be playing in the Premier League? I agree that we are going to have to wait for the better players, it is the rest that I am concerned about.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 6, 2023 12:58:58 GMT
I just can't get my head around some people on here. The piece written says some of the targets we're after are ones that could be playing in the premier league and because of that some of them might not drop until later in the window. If that's the case it doesn't matter how long we've been planning for these players, that is always when they'll drop it they do. If you want the better players you have to be patient is basically the message. We are probably going to sign another 11 players including 5 loans. Do you really believe that we will be signing 11 players who could be playing in the Premier League? I agree that we are going to have to wait for the better players, it is the rest that I am concerned about. I would imagine many players, whether or not potential Prem players, would have a few things to mull over before committing to sign for a club. Maybe waiting for a decision by their current club, may have family issues about moving to certain places, having to think about the terms being offered by more than one possible buyer. I know when I was considering the knock-on effect of potential job moves, there were a myriad of pros and cons buzzing around in my head that needed sorting before making a final choice. Not sure that footballers (especially married ones with family) are that much different.
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Post by philb on Jul 6, 2023 13:02:11 GMT
OK then let's go buy any Tom dick or Harry like we did in January and hope they play well as a team At least we had a team then. Admittedly shit but it was a team 🤣
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Post by philb on Jul 6, 2023 13:03:22 GMT
I still have faith that AN will get a squad together that will be competitive. No doubt he will at some point, but may be too late for a punt at the top 6.
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Post by dirtclod on Jul 6, 2023 13:03:58 GMT
Would rather see this than what we've had going into the past 6,7 seasons. It's unnerving right now but these transfer windows are a joke, especially in the first month and a half. Do agree that the market is going to be tough, with everything slanted towards promoting garbage early on that other clubs just want rid of. We'll get beat by other clubs that finished higher - a summer of ups and downs flavored with chaos towards end of the window.
As far as Spain, might as well get the U21's and 28's spooled up. Would rather that than getting in an all-fired rush to sign another Imbula or Wimmer. Good point Terror of Turfmoor yes a brief bit of PR would help. They could say something without blurting out any secrets and the Oatcake could then concentrate on mutating it into a "disaster."
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Post by philb on Jul 6, 2023 13:06:54 GMT
Would rather see this than what we've had going into the past 6,7 seasons. It's unnerving right now but these transfer windows are a joke, especially in the first month and a half. Do agree that the market is going to be tough, with everything slanted towards promoting garbage early on that other clubs just want rid of. We'll get beat by other clubs that finished higher - a summer of ups and downs flavored with chaos towards end of the window. As far as Spain, might as well get the U21's and 28's spooled up. Would rather that than getting in an all-fired rush to sign another Imbula or Wimmer. Good point Terror of Turfmoor yes a brief bit of PR would help. They could say something without blurting out any secrets and the Oatcake could then concentrate on mutating it into a "disaster." Yea but if we take the u28s that means Enda can’t go 🤣
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Post by dirtclod on Jul 6, 2023 13:09:34 GMT
Would rather see this than what we've had going into the past 6,7 seasons. It's unnerving right now but these transfer windows are a joke, especially in the first month and a half. Do agree that the market is going to be tough, with everything slanted towards promoting garbage early on that other clubs just want rid of. We'll get beat by other clubs that finished higher - a summer of ups and downs flavored with chaos towards end of the window. As far as Spain, might as well get the U21's and 28's spooled up. Would rather that than getting in an all-fired rush to sign another Imbula or Wimmer. Good point Terror of Turfmoor yes a brief bit of PR would help. They could say something without blurting out any secrets and the Oatcake could then concentrate on mutating it into a "disaster." Yea but if we take the u28s that means Enda can’t go 🤣 Yeah I don't think we're going to have enough unless they'll agree to 5-a-side tourney over there. But would rather that than us getting out the dartboard.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 6, 2023 13:11:05 GMT
we could end up doing that anyway... we should have been planning for this window from march Who said we weren't? Well it hasn't been planned very well then
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 6, 2023 13:14:56 GMT
At this stage in a pre-season have we ever had a worse playing squad? I remember before the 1984/85 season we were very weak. That turned out to be a record breaking season for all the wrong reasons. This is a high risk strategy that is being taken to gamble on being able to recruit 10+ players in the few weeks we have left before the season starts. Not to mention the back room staff. Hopefully Alex Neal is a genius or this could all end very badly. Is there a plan? Hard to see it. Why would you need to see a plan? You want a list of names we are looking at? Do you think that would be wise? On average every Championship club recruits around 10 players over each Summer, and some a lot more than that.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 6, 2023 13:47:25 GMT
Well it hasn't been planned very well then How do you know, you working for the club? You can't force people to sign a contract, it's completely out of the clubs hands how long a player takes to decide.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 6, 2023 14:56:55 GMT
In four weeks and a few days we play Rotherham.
Let’s not beat about the bush, it’s a shit show so far. Hopefully the patience with trying to land better players comes off. Fairly sure given our record that it will be a case of buy what we can come the end of the window
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Post by thevoid on Jul 6, 2023 15:03:57 GMT
Well it hasn't been planned very well then How do you know, you working for the club? You can't force people to sign a contract, it's completely out of the clubs hands how long a player takes to decide. I don't need to work for the club, patently obvious it's a shitshow. I wouldn't mind a job there though, seems quite cushy
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 6, 2023 15:05:40 GMT
I don't think the current squad looks too bad considering we've failed to finish in the top half for five seasons. It's average in the goalkeeping department, and the midfield needs a Pearson-esque player plus more creativity. We have some very promising young players and hopefully at least a couple should step up this season.
It's going to get bulked out with better players, permanently and on loan.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 6, 2023 15:07:22 GMT
At this stage in a pre-season have we ever had a worse playing squad? I remember before the 1984/85 season we were very weak. That turned out to be a record breaking season for all the wrong reasons. This is a high risk strategy that is being taken to gamble on being able to recruit 10+ players in the few weeks we have left before the season starts. Not to mention the back room staff. Hopefully Alex Neal is a genius or this could all end very badly. Is there a plan? Hard to see it. Why would you need to see a plan? You want a list of names we are looking at? Do you think that would be wise? On average every Championship club recruits around 10 players over each Summer, and some a lot more than that. None of us know for sure , the problem is the past six or seven years now , so understandable fans are nervous , as others have said we just have to hope more first choices do end up coming than in previous years
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 6, 2023 17:02:38 GMT
we could end up doing that anyway... we should have been planning for this window from march Who said we weren't? the lack of signings is evidence that we weren’t
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Post by fca47 on Jul 6, 2023 17:03:04 GMT
There's going to be a meltdown on here if we beat Notts County. "preseason knockabouts don't count".
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 6, 2023 17:17:45 GMT
the lack of signings is evidence that we weren’t No it isn't.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 6, 2023 17:24:49 GMT
the lack of signings is evidence that we weren’t I agree we should of signed 10 players before the end of June.. stuff the fact players were on holiday or under contract, or even have the option to speak to any number of clubs before deciding g where they choose to go.. I even think we should of paid over the odds for these players in the last few weeks of their contracts instead of waiting till there out of contract. Absolutely no point waiting for better players go become available.. just sign any old carthouse on long contracts quickly like Nathan Jones did...cause that worked out so well
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jul 6, 2023 17:38:32 GMT
the lack of signings is evidence that we weren’t I agree we should of signed 10 players before the end of June.. stuff the fact players were on holiday or under contract, or even have the option to speak to any number of clubs before deciding g where they choose to go.. I even think we should of paid over the odds for these players in the last few weeks of their contracts instead of waiting till there out of contract. Absolutely no point waiting for better players go become available.. just sign any old carthouse on long contracts quickly like Nathan Jones did...cause that worked out so well I get all of what you are saying but..... Clearly the plan since AN joined was to have a huge clearout out both prior to and during the summer break. That has happened. Coaches, players, scouts, recruitments heads etc. have all gone. Remember this is on the back of our worst league finish since relegation. If that is the plan and has always been the plan then surely you are prepared in advance about who you want to get to replace the leavers. Coaching/scouts etc should have walked into the building as the others walked out. Not this shit show we are currently seeing. Players should have walked in as others walked out. Not this shit show we are currently seeing. I get that is not always straight forward but at the moment we have signed a 33 year old left back. It's a total shit show. A very very worrying shit show. A relegation written all over it shit show. In summary, it's a shit show however you try and dress it up.
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