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Jul 1, 2023 16:20:15 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 1, 2023 16:20:15 GMT
Because more people read it and take note of it. You only have to see the impact Linekers comment had to see that. It got people thinking and acting but in a peaceful way. Much that I don’t like it I’d rather that than your chosen option below He literally said he doesn't agree with looting and people being attacked and now you're saying it's his "chosen option". Yep but isn’t non looting and causing damage a peaceful protest? I have no issue with peaceful protest.
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Jul 1, 2023 16:25:01 GMT
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 1, 2023 16:25:01 GMT
He literally said he doesn't agree with looting and people being attacked and now you're saying it's his "chosen option". Yep but isn’t non looting and causing damage a peaceful protest? I have no issue with peaceful protest. Like lying down in the road?
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Jul 1, 2023 17:41:41 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 1, 2023 17:41:41 GMT
Bit over the top isn’t it
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Jul 1, 2023 17:52:36 GMT
Post by knype on Jul 1, 2023 17:52:36 GMT
Spit it out, come on now……. The irony of this is amazing 👏
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Jul 1, 2023 18:14:12 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 1, 2023 18:14:12 GMT
Yep but isn’t non looting and causing damage a peaceful protest? I have no issue with peaceful protest. Like lying down in the road? Not a fan of that either but I’d much rather that than destroying innocent peoples property or businesses. You?
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 1, 2023 18:14:30 GMT
Maybe so but I still have plenty of family in the potteries and have lived and worked in London too. I don’t pretend to know what it’s like to live in poverty but there’s plenty of it just a couple of miles down the road (it’s pockets granted) and I work with a lot of families who have very little and not one of them has mentioned wanting to riot. I can accept the anger that people have around certain issues a lot of it’s justified. What I don’t accept is why someone would want to set fire to your neighbours cars, loot from the shops you use on a daily basis often ran by locals that have been part of the area for years and wrecking the homes of innocent people all in the means of protest. There actions certainly won’t be hurting the people they want too. I’m sure the government couldn’t give 2 hoots for the “victim” of an arson or criminal damage or who’s had their small business destroyed. What I‘ve always wanted to know is what those looting or setting fire to things think they’re going to achieve other than losing a lot of respect from the public as I’m sure I’m not the only one who thinks this way. Do you think those rioting should be dealt with criminally? I lived in Bixton (the very centre, just off Coldharbour Lane) in my late teens, when the second Brixton riots took place. One Saturday afternoon I was drinking in my local with some mates and the landlord said to us, sorry lads that's your last pint, I'm closing up now and proceeded to start boarding up his windows. When we went outside and there was a line of vans and removal trucks, all down my street. I spoke to one of the neighbours to see what was going on and they said that an innocent woman had been shot dead by the police (this turned out to be true) and that sporadic rioting was breaking out all over town. I went upstairs to my first floor flat, opened the huge Victorian sash window in my living room and literally sat and watched the riots take off in broad daylight. However, a part of it was clearly premeditated, or at the very least, people had quickly prepared themselves to take ADVANTAGE of what was happening. Literally within an hour of the riots starting, there were vans being loaded up with various TV's and other electrical goods, Currys took a right hammering, as did many other shops. Bus stops were set on fire, cars set alight, pitched battles were taking place with the police but at exactly the same time, organised looting was taking place on an industrial scale. If the woman hadn't been shot, then I suspect the riots wouldn't have started but without question, there were a great number of people on the streets for 48 hours, not interested in protesting but were solely there to loot as much property as they could. Exactly as I see it Paul. There's a vast difference between protesting for a genuine cause and looting just as you described. What we're seeing is a mixture of both and the real protesters will now be lumped in with the mindless criminals who are taking advantage of the situation and looting because they can. They're breaking into the local chemist (for the drugs methinks) and don't give a damn that their community, especially the sick and elderly, will suffer because they rely on their medication from this pharmacy. It's disgusting. M.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 1, 2023 18:30:36 GMT
How exactly is social media the more powerful way to protest? Because more people read it and take note of it. You only have to see the impact Linekers comment had to see that. It got people thinking and acting but in a peaceful way. Much that I don’t like it I’d rather that than your chosen option below What did his comment actually do? It annoyed people but nothing changed. Thus, it wasn’t effective. Protests seem to work best nowadays when you have a mixture of the two. Feet on the ground disrupting life in a peaceful way coupled with media/social media attention that runs continuously. MLK understood both of these. He would time his marches in step with important events in areas with heavy media traffic and hope that they would cover it in a positive light (i.e., that they stuck to non-violence). I personally think that this has always been the best way to protest. Rioting distracts from the question.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 1, 2023 18:34:38 GMT
Because more people read it and take note of it. You only have to see the impact Linekers comment had to see that. It got people thinking and acting but in a peaceful way. Much that I don’t like it I’d rather that than your chosen option below What did his comment actually do? It annoyed people but nothing changed. Thus, it wasn’t effective. Protests seem to work best nowadays when you have a mixture of the two. Feet on the ground disrupting life in a peaceful way coupled with media/social media attention that runs continuously. MLK understood both of these. He would time his marches in step with important events in areas with heavy media traffic and hope that they would cover it in a positive light (i.e., that they stuck to non-violence). I personally think that this has always been the best way to protest. Rioting distracts from the question. Peaceful protests are always the preferred way of making your point. But there has to be disruption, and that means people going about their daily lives will sometimes be inconvenienced. Say what you want about Just Stop Oil for example they are peaceful protestors and keep their cool under a barrage of abuse and physical violence, I fully respect them for that…….
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Jul 1, 2023 18:37:34 GMT
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Post by knype on Jul 1, 2023 18:37:34 GMT
What did his comment actually do? It annoyed people but nothing changed. Thus, it wasn’t effective. Protests seem to work best nowadays when you have a mixture of the two. Feet on the ground disrupting life in a peaceful way coupled with media/social media attention that runs continuously. MLK understood both of these. He would time his marches in step with important events in areas with heavy media traffic and hope that they would cover it in a positive light (i.e., that they stuck to non-violence). I personally think that this has always been the best way to protest. Rioting distracts from the question. Peaceful protests are always the preferred way of making your point. But there has to be disruption, and that means people going about their daily lives will sometimes be inconvenienced. Say what you want about Just Stop Oil for example they are peaceful protestors and keep their cool under a barrage of abuse and physical violence, I fully respect them for that……. Nah, entitled scum stopping the average man / woman from going about their daily lives
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Jul 1, 2023 18:52:19 GMT
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 1, 2023 18:52:19 GMT
Like lying down in the road? Not a fan of that either but I’d much rather that than destroying innocent peoples property or businesses. You? I'm into a police officer not thinking he can kill a teenager for driving off cobs.
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Post by knype on Jul 1, 2023 18:57:27 GMT
Not a fan of that either but I’d much rather that than destroying innocent peoples property or businesses. You? I'm into a police officer not thinking he can kill a teenager for driving off cobs. And I'm sure neither is anyone on here. But 2 wrongs don't make a right ?
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Jul 1, 2023 18:59:16 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 1, 2023 18:59:16 GMT
Not a fan of that either but I’d much rather that than destroying innocent peoples property or businesses. You? I'm into a police officer not thinking he can kill a teenager for driving off cobs. I think 99.9 percent of people are (including me) and why there needs to be a full investigation of what happened (which there is). It seems like some have already made their minds up from the violence in Paris and aren’t willing to wait. In relation to protests what’s your thoughts the reaction appropriate?
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Jul 1, 2023 19:00:57 GMT
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 1, 2023 19:00:57 GMT
I'm into a police officer not thinking he can kill a teenager for driving off cobs. And I'm sure neither is anyone on here. But 2 wrongs don't make a right ? It's a horrible situation, maybe they're thinking smashing up a few buildings is a statement to stop another police officer shooting their family member.
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Post by knype on Jul 1, 2023 19:01:49 GMT
And I'm sure neither is anyone on here. But 2 wrongs don't make a right ? It's a horrible situation, maybe they're thinking smashing up a few buildings is a statement to stop another police officer shooting their family member. Or maybe they're mindless thugs not even thinking what the boys family would want?
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Post by knype on Jul 1, 2023 19:03:12 GMT
And I'm sure neither is anyone on here. But 2 wrongs don't make a right ? It's a horrible situation, maybe they're thinking smashing up a few buildings is a statement to stop another police officer shooting their family member. Smashing up other ordinary, working people's lives, looting, attacking people protecting their property. You missed out those points
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Jul 1, 2023 19:43:17 GMT
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 1, 2023 19:43:17 GMT
It's a horrible situation, maybe they're thinking smashing up a few buildings is a statement to stop another police officer shooting their family member. Or maybe they're mindless thugs not even thinking what the boys family would want? I wouldn't be doing It i think its wrong
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Jul 1, 2023 19:47:18 GMT
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Post by knype on Jul 1, 2023 19:47:18 GMT
Or maybe they're mindless thugs not even thinking what the boys family would want? I wouldn't be doing I think its wrong Think what is ?
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Jul 1, 2023 19:50:41 GMT
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 1, 2023 19:50:41 GMT
I wouldn't be doing I think its wrong Think what is ? Smashing up loads of businesses and property. I'm saying maybe they think this may stop another similar situation.
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Jul 1, 2023 19:54:17 GMT
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Post by knype on Jul 1, 2023 19:54:17 GMT
Smashing up loads of businesses and property. I'm saying maybe they think this may stop another similar situation. No, they are thugs who most probably don't even know what's started the situation
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Jul 1, 2023 19:54:33 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 1, 2023 19:54:33 GMT
Smashing up loads of businesses and property. I'm saying maybe they think this may stop another similar situation. What’s the rational behind that though it makes no sense.
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Jul 1, 2023 19:56:59 GMT
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 1, 2023 19:56:59 GMT
Smashing up loads of businesses and property. I'm saying maybe they think this may stop another similar situation. What’s the rational behind that though it makes no sense. If you were a cop thinking you can carry out an execution without serious repercussions
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Jul 1, 2023 19:59:27 GMT
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Post by knype on Jul 1, 2023 19:59:27 GMT
What’s the rational behind that though it makes no sense. If you were a cop thinking you can carry out an execution without serious repercussions One person's warped thinking against 1,000's or warped peoples thinking?
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Jul 1, 2023 20:00:00 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Jul 1, 2023 20:00:00 GMT
What did his comment actually do? It annoyed people but nothing changed. Thus, it wasn’t effective. Protests seem to work best nowadays when you have a mixture of the two. Feet on the ground disrupting life in a peaceful way coupled with media/social media attention that runs continuously. MLK understood both of these. He would time his marches in step with important events in areas with heavy media traffic and hope that they would cover it in a positive light (i.e., that they stuck to non-violence). I personally think that this has always been the best way to protest. Rioting distracts from the question. Peaceful protests are always the preferred way of making your point. But there has to be disruption, and that means people going about their daily lives will sometimes be inconvenienced. Say what you want about Just Stop Oil for example they are peaceful protestors and keep their cool under a barrage of abuse and physical violence, I fully respect them for that……. I don't like them for hurting innocent people through a cost of living crisis. I very much respect them when they trash some opulent display of bourgeoisie.... The Chelsea flower show comes to mind.
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Jul 1, 2023 20:02:18 GMT
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 1, 2023 20:02:18 GMT
If you were a cop thinking you can carry out an execution without serious repercussions One person's warped thinking against 1,000's or warped peoples thinking? If it was your son.. why did he have to die? Its fucking outrageous, people are angry
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Jul 1, 2023 20:05:03 GMT
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Post by knype on Jul 1, 2023 20:05:03 GMT
One person's warped thinking against 1,000's or warped peoples thinking? If it was your son.. why did he have to die? Its fucking outrageous, people are angry Eh ? I've already said it's wrong he's died. Read back
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Jul 1, 2023 20:09:02 GMT
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 1, 2023 20:09:02 GMT
If it was your son.. why did he have to die? Its fucking outrageous, people are angry Eh ? I've already said it's wrong he's died. Read back And what do you do to make sure it doesn't happen again?
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Jul 1, 2023 20:12:27 GMT
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Post by knype on Jul 1, 2023 20:12:27 GMT
Eh ? I've already said it's wrong he's died. Read back And what do you do to make sure it doesn't happen again? How can you stop a wrong un from murdering someone?
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Jul 1, 2023 20:14:01 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 1, 2023 20:14:01 GMT
If it was your son.. why did he have to die? Its fucking outrageous, people are angry Eh ? I've already said it's wrong he's died. Read back I don’t think there’s any disagreement re that if it’s identified after an investigation that if deemed guilty of manslaughter it’s right that the officer pays with a long custodial sentence. I think the issues over the reaction. I appreciate that the police will always cause huge division however there’s been some truly awful murders in recent years where parents of young victims have pleaded for calm and not for violence. Violence is never the answer when you judge an individuals action and take it out on the whole community.
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Jul 1, 2023 20:17:19 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 1, 2023 20:17:19 GMT
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Jul 1, 2023 20:35:44 GMT
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Post by Davef on Jul 1, 2023 20:35:44 GMT
France should've listened to this racist bigot.
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