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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2023 11:25:33 GMT
WBA fans don't seem overly enamoured by him - but the contribution of the 'Head of recruitment' to the transfer haul always seem a bit opaque in a manager-led operation, and you never know how much say the manager ultimately has. Get the impression that Bruce, for one, would have been pretty old school?
Someone must rate him, and after doing the job at this level for 5 years, he'll have a big contacts book at least
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 5, 2023 11:36:57 GMT
WBA fans don't seem overly enamoured by him - but the contribution of the 'Head of recruitment' to the transfer haul always seem a bit opaque in a manager-led operation, and you never know how much say the manager ultimately has. Get the impression that Bruce, for one, would have been pretty old school? Someone must rate him, and after doing the job at this level for 5 years, he'll have a big contacts book at least I've heard a lot, my friends included slagging off Cousins without really knowing what he does but whatever he has been doing has been good enough to earn him the gig at Chelsea. Fans are very quick to slag the people in these roles off without ever knowing exactly what they do or what they're responsible for. Look at the stick Cartwright gets, yet it seemed to go tits up when we took the responsibility away from him and handed Sparky Carte Blanche!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 5, 2023 11:38:22 GMT
WBA fans don't seem overly enamoured by him - but the contribution of the 'Head of recruitment' to the transfer haul always seem a bit opaque in a manager-led operation, and you never know how much say the manager ultimately has. Get the impression that Bruce, for one, would have been pretty old school? Someone must rate him, and after doing the job at this level for 5 years, he'll have a big contacts book at least I've heard a lot, my friends included slagging off Cousins without really knowing what he does but whatever he has been doing has been good enough to earn him the gig at Chelsea. Fans are very quick to slag the people in these roles off without ever knowing exactly what they do or what they're responsible for. Look at the stick Cartwright gets, yet it seemed to go tits up when we took the responsibility away from him and handed Sparky Carte Blanche! I think Hughes always had carte blanche tbh. With Cousins, the Man City connection seemed pretty clearly down to him I thought, for better or worse. May be that he's a better academy guy than he is HoR.
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Post by peekay67 on Jun 5, 2023 11:46:37 GMT
When we sack him we can sing the Stone Roses classic ‘Bye Bye Badlan’ Is that the Bay City Rollers 'classic' ditty?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 5, 2023 11:59:05 GMT
You were on the right track yesterday mate and I was convinced you’d get his name last night👍😊
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 5, 2023 11:59:48 GMT
You were on the right track yesterday mate and I was convinced you’d get his name last night👍😊 He's disappointingly slow on this one. I'll have a word...
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 5, 2023 12:02:59 GMT
You were on the right track yesterday mate and I was convinced you’d get his name last night👍😊 He's disappointingly slow on this one. I'll have a word... I’d imagine he’s one of the candidates being interviewed
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 5, 2023 12:04:38 GMT
He's disappointingly slow on this one. I'll have a word... I’d imagine he’s one of the candidates being interviewed Even the Coates family couldn't afford him...
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Post by shakermaker on Jun 5, 2023 12:04:44 GMT
On the surface of things that looks like it would be a pretty good appointment, did a long stint at Brighton too, may have laid the ground work to facilitate their excellent recent ascendancy Looking at his track record at Brighton, I'm not sure he did anything particularly earth-shaking. He was Head of UK Scouting, but I don't see who he brought in that played a major part in their current success. In fact they spent most of their early Premier League days in mid-table mediocrity and during Pearce's last full season there, they only escaped relegation in the last few games. Groß and Gyökeres were brought in during his watch, but that would have been more down to their Head of European Scouting than Pearce.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2023 12:37:13 GMT
To say the Baggies fans are unconcerned about his departure is an understatement. Offers to drive him here etc.
But it is hard to assess the overall contribution in this role when they aren't the real power and decision maker - just as it was with Carto, Aldridge, Cousins etc
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Post by shakermaker on Jun 5, 2023 12:59:05 GMT
To say the Baggies fans are unconcerned about his departure is an understatement. Offers to drive him here etc. But it is hard to assess the overall contribution in this role when they aren't the real power and decision maker - just as it was with Carto, Aldridge, Cousins etc Well you don't hear of many scouting gurus unwanted at clubs who go on to be successful at others. Coupled with my post further up, I'd rather we stay clear of Pearce and just go for Badlan, who has a track record and has probably learnt not to banter with supporters while out on the piss. On another note, the name of Steve Walsh (who found the gems that led Leicester to their Premier League title) has been forgotten. Didn't have a great time as DoF at Everton, and for the past three years has been shunted into the backwaters as Special Advisor at Charlotte FC in the USA. Wouldn't be a bad shout to get him back to the UK working for us as Head of Recruitment would it?
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 5, 2023 12:59:14 GMT
I said this on the other thread and it probably sounded facetious, but it's a genuine question.
In our structure, is this role just a souped up version of 'chief scout'? Is he focused on senior recruitment or is he also responsible for the academy?
Is the job now just sifting through the extraordinary reams of data that are available?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 5, 2023 12:59:17 GMT
I see Bristol City were rumoured to want him to lead their structure last year, so he does seem to be well thought of in some circles.
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Post by NassauDave on Jun 5, 2023 13:08:22 GMT
Do we not currently have one of these? And 2 weeks in Benidorm, half board.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 13:13:04 GMT
It didn't excite me too much, West Brom tend to sign well known players however he did work at Brighton pre West Brom that does give me some hope. A mate of ours listed some good names under his watch tbf. Sawyers, Ajayi, Furlong, Peireira, Diangana, Krovinovic etc
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 5, 2023 13:17:41 GMT
Given that we won’t shop abroad in the near future, bringing in someone with extensive knowledge of English players makes sense. He sounds like a good option given the limited structure that we want to stick with.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2023 14:10:31 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 5, 2023 14:17:07 GMT
Absolute chaos!
You have to laugh else you'd cry!
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Post by banksy1art on Jun 5, 2023 14:22:12 GMT
What the fuck are the club doing
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Post by thevoid on Jun 5, 2023 15:25:34 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 5, 2023 15:36:18 GMT
Got to hope that he was just one target. It is a little concerning that he would rather stay at WBA given the information coming out of that club at present. Obviously, these are all still rumours (that we want him, that he doesn’t want us).
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Post by thevoid on Jun 5, 2023 15:39:26 GMT
Got to hope that he was just one target. It is a little concerning that he would rather stay at WBA given the information coming out of that club at present. Obviously, these are all still rumours (that we want him, that he doesn’t want us). Can't think why, we're such a well run and good club to work for apparently....
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 5, 2023 16:41:00 GMT
If there's no Head of Recruitment then who, actually, will erm recruit the Head of Recruitment?
Hang on I think I've just found the issue here.
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Post by Gods on Jun 5, 2023 18:16:53 GMT
If there's no Head of Recruitment then who, actually, will erm recruit the Head of Recruitment? Hang on I think I've just found the issue here. You ask a good question! Meantime we seem to have sackings covered, Tricky and Neil are running round firing anything that moves.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 16:10:29 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 7, 2023 16:19:33 GMT
Sounds like a promotion & pay rise for Pearce
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 7, 2023 16:29:40 GMT
Shirley someone in the pub must know somebody who can do the job.
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Post by johan14 on Jun 7, 2023 16:30:34 GMT
As frustrating as the lack of information, signings & appointments are, a lot of people are overreacting to the impact a head of recruitment will have in this window. The lack of one is more likely to impact January & beyond. I think in one of the badlan reports he stated it took him a few windows to influence things at Cov. Without knowing the current recruitment setup at stoke, there will be cousins team there & his assistant will be providing Neil/Martin any data they need. Targets will have been identified, watched & discussed by them already. Those in place - in admin roles, analysts, data inputters, assistants - will be stepping up to effectively audition for roles for internal promotions. They all will know their roles and be following cousins’ processes. A new HoR would spend this summer evaluating current processes before hopefully improving them. They wouldn’t do it immediately. They won’t change the 10 (to 20) players stoke ultimately sign, they might just (hopefully) suggest a couple of gems the club haven’t already identified if the current top targets fall through/sign elsewhere. We need one asap and should have been appointed by now,, but not necessarily for this window!
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jun 7, 2023 16:43:16 GMT
Not a clue this club.
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Post by questionable on Jun 7, 2023 16:56:15 GMT
Shirley someone in the pub must know somebody who can do the job. Christ we’re all overlooking the ideal candidate right on our doorstep Come on lads this role has Bayern written all over it...
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