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Post by Pugsley on May 11, 2023 17:50:31 GMT
Simon, Ricky and Alex... the dream team.
Christ on a bike.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 11, 2023 17:57:31 GMT
We’ve two players who can deliver high tempo leaving this week sterling and Hoever , we’ve potentially two left Campbell and Brown and we are allegedly in the market for players over 30 , it really does have the starting note for a summer which plumbs new depths right down to that infamous Bill Asprey summer Just remind us who signed the two players who are leaving this week Same one that signed axel , and some bloke who he played left wing who isnt a left winger and a keeper that went from one bafbjnjury ladt term to another this so in currrnt strike rate half his signings will actually play so he needs to sign 15 players this summer
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Post by jokker on May 11, 2023 18:10:18 GMT
Just remind us who signed the two players who are leaving this week Same one that signed axel , and some bloke who he played left wing who isnt a left winger and a keeper that went from one bafbjnjury ladt term to another this so in currrnt strike rate half his signings will actually play so he needs to sign 15 players this summer Quality needed, quantity less.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 18:30:45 GMT
Just remind us who signed the two players who are leaving this week Same one that signed axel , and some bloke who he played left wing who isnt a left winger and a keeper that went from one bafbjnjury ladt term to another this so in currrnt strike rate half his signings will actually play so he needs to sign 15 players this summer From the bits I can decipher I'll give you Celina. Sarkic got a muscle injury that any player can get. Completely unrelated to his injury last season. On the few games he's played he looks like he would be an excellent signing. Axel was a last minute punt when we rightly snapped Leicester's arm off for £15 million. Hoever who you now seem to like, you were calling a 'competition winner' after his first couple of games. Pearson who I don't think you've mentioned in the gibberish (but I've seen many of your posts slagging him off) will make you look very foolish next season if he signs.
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Post by questionable on May 11, 2023 18:42:30 GMT
High Tempo, Front font and aggression...........straight out of the Nathan Jones manual Well a PowerPoint presentation which bamboozled our owners
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Post by J-Roar on May 11, 2023 18:45:22 GMT
Same one that signed axel , and some bloke who he played left wing who isnt a left winger and a keeper that went from one bafbjnjury ladt term to another this so in currrnt strike rate half his signings will actually play so he needs to sign 15 players this summer Quality needed, quantity less. Disagree. We need some quality and some filler for now.
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Post by Timmy on May 11, 2023 18:48:35 GMT
Quality needed, quantity less. Disagree. We need some quality and some filler for now. Sounds like a corned beef sandwich to me.
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Post by Pricey on May 11, 2023 20:23:30 GMT
High Tempo, Front font and aggression...........straight out of the Nathan Jones manual Well he is currently unemployed...
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Post by pavel on May 11, 2023 20:34:56 GMT
How long does it take to build a team, this is the 6th season coming up! They managed to dismantle a team in one season through complacency, dithering and sheer ineptitude and still haven’t grasped the root causes or don’t want to admit to them.
Empty words and phrases rolled out to placate the fans and deflect from the enduring shitshow of the last 6 years. Too little too late in terms of being credible.
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Post by chigstoke on May 11, 2023 20:59:33 GMT
Lambert had the right idea with a PowerPoint presentation. I think that Alex Neil should do the same. I've already got the first slide sorted.
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Post by jokker on May 12, 2023 6:36:55 GMT
Quality needed, quantity less. Disagree. We need some quality and some filler for now. We have filler - we just need to start using them. We don't have quality, haven't had any/much for several years.
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Post by LGH87 on May 12, 2023 7:10:02 GMT
The number of times Stoke or Stoke players appear high up on the slides show we are at least doing some things right, just hope to god AN manages to recruit the right players to turn these positives in to actual results.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 12, 2023 8:04:43 GMT
The number of times Stoke or Stoke players appear high up on the slides show we are at least doing some things right, just hope to god AN manages to recruit the right players to turn these positives in to actual results. I've made it quite clear on here before I'm not a person who's interested in statistics and rely on what my eyes tell me. Which is that, we've been sodding awful for 90% of the season.
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Post by LGH87 on May 12, 2023 8:10:33 GMT
The number of times Stoke or Stoke players appear high up on the slides show we are at least doing some things right, just hope to god AN manages to recruit the right players to turn these positives in to actual results. I've made it quite clear on here before I'm not a person who's interested in statistics and rely on what my eyes tell me. Which is that, we've been sodding awful for 90% of the season. I said exactly the same when I retweeted it on twitter mate.
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Post by wuzza on May 12, 2023 9:49:46 GMT
Personally I find the only ‘threat creation’ that goes on in most of our games is to my sanity !
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 12, 2023 9:55:11 GMT
How long does it take to build a team, this is the 6th season coming up! They managed to dismantle a team in one season through complacency, dithering and sheer ineptitude and still haven’t grasped the root causes or don’t want to admit to them. Empty words and phrases rolled out to placate the fans and deflect from the enduring shitshow of the last 6 years. Too little too late in terms of being credible. When we went down the owners mistakenly thought we had a decent squad and gave Rowett the money to add to it in order to make an instant return. By Xmas they realised the squad that came down wasn't good enough and realised they would have to downsize. The fact is we haven't been building a team to get promoted - we have been dismantling a squad and cobbling together a team good enough to stay in this league. This summer is the first one since we got relegated where we have cleared the decks of players we can't afford and have money to shape a side capable of more than just making do. No-one wants to admit that the strategy for the last four and a half seasons has been to deliberately convert a Premiership Club into a functional Championship Club - we have deliberately made ourselves worse than we were because we had to. As of this summer the strategy is to make ourselves better because now we can afford it without getting hit with a points deduction. On the surface it looks shit but actually the strategy was right for the circumstances and like it or not everything is going to plan.
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Post by cymap on May 12, 2023 11:48:00 GMT
I don't get the problem with the statement. It more or less says....We understand that you're dissapointed but things are changing.... so as you know we have extended the time you can buy your season tickets until you have seen what is planned for the summer. If you don't like it the choice is yours...something you wouldn't have had if we kept the early bird in place.
Like someone has said above theyre damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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Post by iglugluk on May 12, 2023 11:56:11 GMT
How long does it take to build a team, this is the 6th season coming up! They managed to dismantle a team in one season through complacency, dithering and sheer ineptitude and still haven’t grasped the root causes or don’t want to admit to them. Empty words and phrases rolled out to placate the fans and deflect from the enduring shitshow of the last 6 years. Too little too late in terms of being credible. When we went down the owners mistakenly thought we had a decent squad and gave Rowett the money to add to it in order to make an instant return. By Xmas they realised the squad that came down wasn't good enough and realised they would have to downsize. The fact is we haven't been building a team to get promoted - we have been dismantling a squad and cobbling together a team good enough to stay in this league. This summer is the first one since we got relegated where we have cleared the decks of players we can't afford and have money to shape a side capable of more than just making do. No-one wants to admit that the strategy for the last four and a half seasons has been to deliberately convert a Premiership Club into a functional Championship Club - we have deliberately made ourselves worse than we were because we had to. As of this summer the strategy is to make ourselves better because now we can afford it without getting hit with a points deduction. On the surface it looks shit but actually the strategy was right for the circumstances and like it or not everything is going to plan. So it was all planned, in the main. I would say its become a necessity after making some very poor decisions that were extremely badly timed.
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Post by independent on May 12, 2023 11:56:38 GMT
It is amazing that people still don't seem to realise that we had a squad 3 years ago that we couldn't afford and had to downsize and downgrade. We have lost about 200 million since we came down and have somehow avoided a points deduction for infringing FFP. Yet some people still think that we have been trying to build a promotion chasing team by signing cheapies and freebies,while selling our better players, and can't understand why it hasn't worked out.
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Post by independent on May 12, 2023 12:04:15 GMT
When we went down the owners mistakenly thought we had a decent squad and gave Rowett the money to add to it in order to make an instant return. By Xmas they realised the squad that came down wasn't good enough and realised they would have to downsize. The fact is we haven't been building a team to get promoted - we have been dismantling a squad and cobbling together a team good enough to stay in this league. This summer is the first one since we got relegated where we have cleared the decks of players we can't afford and have money to shape a side capable of more than just making do. No-one wants to admit that the strategy for the last four and a half seasons has been to deliberately convert a Premiership Club into a functional Championship Club - we have deliberately made ourselves worse than we were because we had to. As of this summer the strategy is to make ourselves better because now we can afford it without getting hit with a points deduction. On the surface it looks shit but actually the strategy was right for the circumstances and like it or not everything is going to plan. So it was all a cunning plan then? Ok. Cunning or otherwise, we didn't have a choice. What is so difficult to understand about the fact that we were living beyond our means. FFP limits the amount of money that even our rich owners are allowed to put into the club. We are lucky that we are not in League One.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 12, 2023 12:06:47 GMT
The idea we couldn't possibly have hoped to do better than we have in recent seasons is laughable when you look at some of the teams in the play offs during that time.
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Post by iglugluk on May 12, 2023 12:10:00 GMT
So it was all a cunning plan then? Ok. Cunning or otherwise, we didn't have a choice. What is so difficult to understand about the fact that we were living beyond our means. FFP limits the amount of money that even our rich owners are allowed to put into the club. We are lucky that we are not in League One. I edited the original post as you can see above. The one you're replying to was too glib, when I wrote it. In answer to your point above, I'd say, yes I find it easy to understand that FFP dictates our actions. What I question are the timing of managerial appointments and also the money that was spent on players like Vokes after the Rowett fuck-up. We got it wrong for more than the first six months after relegation.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 12, 2023 13:39:41 GMT
That purple patch we had,I wonder if we could have done that for most of the season if those players had have been ours,instead of loanees?
That's why I'm hoping AN can put that type of squad together over the next 2 windows.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 12, 2023 14:01:20 GMT
Cunning or otherwise, we didn't have a choice. What is so difficult to understand about the fact that we were living beyond our means. FFP limits the amount of money that even our rich owners are allowed to put into the club. We are lucky that we are not in League One. I edited the original post as you can see above. The one you're replying to was too glib, when I wrote it. In answer to your point above, I'd say, yes I find it easy to understand that FFP dictates our actions. What I question are the timing of managerial appointments and also the money that was spent on players like Vokes after the Rowett fuck-up. We got it wrong for more than the first six months after relegation. Rowett was brought in to take us straight back up - that sacking marked a change of strategy. The problem was Jones was not up to the job and just had to go when he did. In terms of the new strategy MoN did what he was expected to do. The timing of his sacking completely knackered this season but that again marked a change in strategy from pure survival to rebuild with some money to spend this summer. Neil's appointment was never about this season - it's about next season. The point still stands - once the club realised an instant return wasn't on the cards they had to downsize. Given the constraints we were working under no manager would have got us promoted. For the last five seasons a lot of fans have been labouring under the delusion that we were still a Premiership club just waiting on the right players and the right manager to take us up when in reality we were downsizing from being a Premiership club and desperately trying to turn ourselves into a competent, functioning Championship club. Which is now where we are. We've successfully made ourselves worse than what we once were because the alternative was a points deduction and possible relegation. It's been shit but it was what it had to be.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 12, 2023 14:08:18 GMT
I edited the original post as you can see above. The one you're replying to was too glib, when I wrote it. In answer to your point above, I'd say, yes I find it easy to understand that FFP dictates our actions. What I question are the timing of managerial appointments and also the money that was spent on players like Vokes after the Rowett fuck-up. We got it wrong for more than the first six months after relegation. Rowett was brought in to take us straight back up - that sacking marked a change of strategy. The problem was Jones was not up to the job and just had to go when he did. In terms of the new strategy MoN did what he was expected to do. The timing of his sacking completely knackered this season but that again marked a change in strategy from pure survival to rebuild with some money to spend this summer. Neil's appointment was never about this season - it's about next season. The point still stands - once the club realised an instant return wasn't on the cards they had to downsize. Given the constraints we were working under no manager would have got us promoted. For the last five seasons a lot of fans have been labouring under the delusion that we were still a Premiership club just waiting on the right players and the right manager to take us up when in reality we were downsizing from being a Premiership club and desperately trying to turn ourselves into a competent, functioning Championship club. Which is now where we are. We've successfully made ourselves worse than what we once were because the alternative was a points deduction and possible relegation. It's been shit but it was what it had to be. A lot of that is true but during that time we've still had a competitive budget by the standards of the league and got our recruitment badly wrong.
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Post by pavel on May 12, 2023 14:31:17 GMT
I edited the original post as you can see above. The one you're replying to was too glib, when I wrote it. In answer to your point above, I'd say, yes I find it easy to understand that FFP dictates our actions. What I question are the timing of managerial appointments and also the money that was spent on players like Vokes after the Rowett fuck-up. We got it wrong for more than the first six months after relegation. Rowett was brought in to take us straight back up - that sacking marked a change of strategy. The problem was Jones was not up to the job and just had to go when he did. In terms of the new strategy MoN did what he was expected to do. The timing of his sacking completely knackered this season but that again marked a change in strategy from pure survival to rebuild with some money to spend this summer. Neil's appointment was never about this season - it's about next season. The point still stands - once the club realised an instant return wasn't on the cards they had to downsize. Given the constraints we were working under no manager would have got us promoted. For the last five seasons a lot of fans have been labouring under the delusion that we were still a Premiership club just waiting on the right players and the right manager to take us up when in reality we were downsizing from being a Premiership club and desperately trying to turn ourselves into a competent, functioning Championship club. Which is now where we are. We've successfully made ourselves worse than what we once were because the alternative was a points deduction and possible relegation. It's been shit but it was what it had to be. I can’t agree with you on this but even taking your very generous slant on how the owners managed the club over the last 6 years at face value there is no denying that it was an almighty fuck up by the ownership to get us in this position in the first place whatever scenario we hang our hat on. Just to clarify I’m not one of those “fans” that thought we were still a Premiership club and get back up immediately. I’ve been supporting Stoke for far too many years to be that optimistic.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 12, 2023 15:42:27 GMT
Rowett was brought in to take us straight back up - that sacking marked a change of strategy. The problem was Jones was not up to the job and just had to go when he did. In terms of the new strategy MoN did what he was expected to do. The timing of his sacking completely knackered this season but that again marked a change in strategy from pure survival to rebuild with some money to spend this summer. Neil's appointment was never about this season - it's about next season. The point still stands - once the club realised an instant return wasn't on the cards they had to downsize. Given the constraints we were working under no manager would have got us promoted. For the last five seasons a lot of fans have been labouring under the delusion that we were still a Premiership club just waiting on the right players and the right manager to take us up when in reality we were downsizing from being a Premiership club and desperately trying to turn ourselves into a competent, functioning Championship club. Which is now where we are. We've successfully made ourselves worse than what we once were because the alternative was a points deduction and possible relegation. It's been shit but it was what it had to be. I can’t agree with you on this but even taking your very generous slant on how the owners managed the club over the last 6 years at face value there is no denying that it was an almighty fuck up by the ownership to get us in this position in the first place whatever scenario we hang our hat on. Just to clarify I’m not one of those “fans” that thought we were still a Premiership club and get back up immediately. I’ve been supporting Stoke for far too many years to be that optimistic. I'm not saying the owners didn't make mistakes but the key ones for me were: 1 Not sacking Hughes the season before we went down 2 Appointing Lambert when we did (or for that matter just appointing him) 3 Thinking we had a decent squad and giving Rowett money to spend on an instant return. I don't think any manager could have turned the squad he inherited into promotion contenders regardless of how much we spent or who we got in - it was rotten to the core. 4 Appointing Jones What they got right was: 1 Recognising we weren't going to get promoted any time soon, sacking Rowett and changing strategy to downsize 2 Sacking Jones and appointing O'Neil and sticking by the downsizing strategy The fact that we have been nowhere near promotion candidates in the last three seasons is not the fault of the managers - it's down to the fact that we should have downsized and rebuilt from day one. Whether sacking MoN and bringing in Neil was a good move remains to be seen. The timing certainly wrote off this season but the squad rebuild wasn't scheduled until this coming summer anyway.
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Post by Gods on May 13, 2023 19:14:39 GMT
Now Ricky's relaunch is official and we are to expect an 'in your face' team of human dynamos starting August what exactly are we looking for?
How do we identify the personnel to deliver this devastating combination of blurring foot speed and bring the house down power?
Sub 11 seconds for 100 metres, sub 15 minutes for 5K, 16+ on a bleep test, 1000+ ng/dl testosterone, all of the above?
Does it matter if they can play football?
Joking apart I am sure we are serious about this new approach, AN and Ricky will sink and swim on it, so this will really guide our approach to the transfer market, and indeed who stays and who goes.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on May 14, 2023 11:25:42 GMT
Same one that signed axel , and some bloke who he played left wing who isnt a left winger and a keeper that went from one bafbjnjury ladt term to another this so in currrnt strike rate half his signings will actually play so he needs to sign 15 players this summer From the bits I can decipher I'll give you Celina. Sarkic got a muscle injury that any player can get. Completely unrelated to his injury last season. On the few games he's played he looks like he would be an excellent signing. Axel was a last minute punt when we rightly snapped Leicester's arm off for £15 million. Hoever who you now seem to like, you were calling a 'competition winner' after his first couple of games. Pearson who I don't think you've mentioned in the gibberish (but I've seen many of your posts slagging him off) will make you look very foolish next season if he signs. Except we won't be seeing Pearson again in a Stoke shirt
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 12:43:18 GMT
From the bits I can decipher I'll give you Celina. Sarkic got a muscle injury that any player can get. Completely unrelated to his injury last season. On the few games he's played he looks like he would be an excellent signing. Axel was a last minute punt when we rightly snapped Leicester's arm off for £15 million. Hoever who you now seem to like, you were calling a 'competition winner' after his first couple of games. Pearson who I don't think you've mentioned in the gibberish (but I've seen many of your posts slagging him off) will make you look very foolish next season if he signs. Except we won't be seeing Pearson again in a Stoke shirt I think we'll get him on loan again
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