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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 22:46:15 GMT
Baker has the talent but none of the application required to make a good footballer. He's had more clubs than... well you know Tiger Woods?
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May 9, 2023 22:52:22 GMT
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Post by Championship Potter on May 9, 2023 22:52:22 GMT
Tyrese Campbell has posted a pic of the pair of them on his insta story tonight, with the caption: Skip ❤️ Seems a bit of an odd post, unless something is afoot maybe? Not sure - he posts photos with other players a fair bit. Campbell generally seems to be a good egg that gets on with most of the squad.
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May 9, 2023 22:54:11 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 9, 2023 22:54:11 GMT
I think Baker's decline has been fairly straightforward. I watched him closely last season when he was pretty much undroppable. I felt that he struggled to affect the game very much unless he scored, which he was doing with some regularity. However, he got a massive return from opportunities that would ordinarily have a very small chance of going in. That's not sustainable long term and the goals dried up. Without the goals, we were left with a player who didn't really impact a game. I think he's better in the more advanced position in midfield but he really needs to improve his ability to take part in the press. The bottom line is he's not a fighter he's just a player who plays well when the stars align. He's like a lot of modern day footballers and his smug, arrogant attitude make him the player I dislike most in the current squad.
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May 10, 2023 4:02:51 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on May 10, 2023 4:02:51 GMT
Tyrese Campbell has posted a pic of the pair of them on his insta story tonight, with the caption: Skip ❤️ Seems a bit of an odd post, unless something is afoot maybe? He’s the captain (skipper) and they get on well (❤️) It’s not an odd post.
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May 10, 2023 5:05:59 GMT
Post by wuzza on May 10, 2023 5:05:59 GMT
What we need is a few players who realise that their function is to win football matches at (almost) any cost. We especially need the skipper to be of this mindset. Baker (along with many of his team mates ) does not seem to have this quality and hence will continue to be a bit part player until he ‘toughens’ up.
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Post by questionable on May 10, 2023 6:15:44 GMT
I’ve never known a player like him in that we look far worse when he makes his regular substitute appearance around the 70 minute mark.
I’ve lost count on how many times he misplaces extremely easy passes and forever getting caught on the ball, in no way am I a AN fan but his substitute bench is one of the worst we’ve ever had, starting eleven is woefully bad but he must cringe trying to change things from the dugout
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 10, 2023 23:01:14 GMT
7 goals and 5 assists this season in the league.
Only bettered by Tyrese (9 goals 5 assists)
And for some comparison:
Laurent (4 goals 3 assists) Smallbone (3 goals 5 assists)
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May 11, 2023 2:40:15 GMT
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Post by slash on May 11, 2023 2:40:15 GMT
7 goals and 5 assists this season in the league. Only bettered by Tyrese (9 goals 5 assists) And for some comparison: Laurent (4 goals 3 assists) Smallbone (3 goals 5 assists) denis bouanga scored 8 goals in 3 games. his current stats are 9 league matches, 8 league goals, 1 league assist and 6 cup matches, 6 cup goals, 3 cup assists. and the MLS has only just started. you'll understand why i'm more excited to attend matches here in Los Angeles than watch the turgid shite Stoke has been serving us these last eight seasons. we need a striker that can perform to even half of Bouanga's ability.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 11, 2023 8:30:39 GMT
7 goals and 5 assists this season in the league. Only bettered by Tyrese (9 goals 5 assists) And for some comparison: Laurent (4 goals 3 assists) Smallbone (3 goals 5 assists) "Stat-padding" if ever there was any. He takes penalties and a decent corner, sometimes. I said a few weeks back, if anyone looks at his stats then he won't be short of offers if he's looking to move on. The reality, based on this season, is much different. Like Powell, it doesn't appear that Neil or his approach get the best out of him, but he's been so poor when he's got on the pitch.
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May 11, 2023 8:44:45 GMT
Post by somersetstokie on May 11, 2023 8:44:45 GMT
As we approach the culmination of one season and wait for the next, we are in a sort of information black hole where we have to create our own speculation and rumours. I was wondering about "modern" day changes to the 150 year old game and trying to decide if things are better or worse. There is certainly far too much money corrupting the true values of the sport, and many players are so well paid they have no real incentive to "show up" for work. With so many statistics and ratings of player performances available nowadays couldn't clubs use the information to their advantage and as a weapon. If a players stats for performance or effort are consistently low couldn't they get a warning from the club that if they don't improve their contribution then they could face sanctions, up to and including sacking.
The argument about a player being a saleable asset is not really relevant as the club continues to hold their registration. If you have a property with defects, or one that needs some TLC, you can still sell it, but you have to work harder to attain your sale price.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 11, 2023 8:46:13 GMT
7 goals and 5 assists this season in the league. Only bettered by Tyrese (9 goals 5 assists) And for some comparison: Laurent (4 goals 3 assists) Smallbone (3 goals 5 assists) "Stat-padding" if ever there was any. He takes penalties and a decent corner, sometimes. I said a few weeks back, if anyone looks at his stats then he won't be short of offers if he's looking to move on. The reality, based on this season, is much different. Like Powell, it doesn't appear that Neil or his approach get the best out of him, but he's been so poor when he's got on the pitch. 6 of his 16 goals have been from penalties, and 2 of his 7 assists have come from corners. No one takes the 18 penalties off Harry Kane when talking about his England scoring record, it's part of football and one we have been pretty shit at over the past few years........
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 11, 2023 9:00:25 GMT
"Stat-padding" if ever there was any. He takes penalties and a decent corner, sometimes. I said a few weeks back, if anyone looks at his stats then he won't be short of offers if he's looking to move on. The reality, based on this season, is much different. Like Powell, it doesn't appear that Neil or his approach get the best out of him, but he's been so poor when he's got on the pitch. 6 of his 16 goals have been from penalties, and 2 of his 7 assists have come from corners. No one takes the 18 penalties off Harry Kane when talking about his England scoring record, it's part of football and one we have been pretty shit at over the past few years........ No, but it can mask their contribution. It would be daft to suggest Harry Kane doesn't do anything other than take penalties and score goals. I'm not sure the same can be said for Baker. His stats are better than the other midfielders, but the other midfielders contribute more over 90 minutes (although not nearly enough!).
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Post by spitthedog on May 11, 2023 9:17:08 GMT
I think we might have made a huge mistake in playing Smallbone instead of Baker for most of this season.
I'm sure we could have trained Baker to adopt Smallbone's role and he could not have been less effective let's face it.
Playing Smallbone has achieved nothing for this club, in fact it has proved detrimental, whereas this season could have been about developing Baker's game and investing in one of our own players. Even at his age players like Baker can develop, adapt and progress with the right coaching. Instead Baker has seemingly gone backwards.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 10:21:00 GMT
Baker is one of those midfielders who doesn't contribute too much to games outside of his goals and assists, he's fine off the ball and okay on it, but nothing special.
What I really don't understand is why all of a sudden he's become the pantomime villain and 'doesn't care' at all. People booing his set pieces and booing him coming on, genuinely what's he done wrong?
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May 11, 2023 10:24:06 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 11, 2023 10:24:06 GMT
No idea, but if he stays it doesn't bode well for him or us. Not sure Neil is a fan.
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May 11, 2023 10:56:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 10:56:04 GMT
Baker is one of those midfielders who doesn't contribute too much to games outside of his goals and assists, he's fine off the ball and okay on it, but nothing special. What I really don't understand is why all of a sudden he's become the pantomime villain and 'doesn't care' at all. People booing his set pieces and booing him coming on, genuinely what's he done wrong? The last home game he started then got hooked on seventy odd minutes and took an age to walk off when we were losing 1-0 didn't help. I was livid as were lots of others around me.
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Post by lordb on May 11, 2023 10:57:41 GMT
never want to see him play for Stoke again
full stop
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May 11, 2023 10:58:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 10:58:04 GMT
Baker is one of those midfielders who doesn't contribute too much to games outside of his goals and assists, he's fine off the ball and okay on it, but nothing special. What I really don't understand is why all of a sudden he's become the pantomime villain and 'doesn't care' at all. People booing his set pieces and booing him coming on, genuinely what's he done wrong? The last home game he started then got hooked on seventy odd minutes and took an age to walk off when we were losing 1-0 didn't help. I was livid as were lots of others around me. I don't mean to sound rash but, is that it? He's been absolutely pelted from the stands for several games now, surely it's not cause he walked off a bit slow? I think I heard some boo him the previous games too.
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May 11, 2023 11:59:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 11:59:40 GMT
The last home game he started then got hooked on seventy odd minutes and took an age to walk off when we were losing 1-0 didn't help. I was livid as were lots of others around me. I don't mean to sound rash but, is that it? He's been absolutely pelted from the stands for several games now, surely it's not cause he walked off a bit slow? I think I heard some boo him the previous games too. It wasn't a bit slow though. If he had been an opposition player he'd have been booked for time wasting. I agree though that there must be more to it than that.
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May 11, 2023 12:42:30 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on May 11, 2023 12:42:30 GMT
To me, he’s a lot like Clucas. Largely anonymous in games but scores goals.
We’ve tried to play him in a role that negates his one true asset: the ability to arrive late and take a shot while putting his shoulder over the ball.
Now, he’s just anonymous.
If only we could actually consider playing these players to their actual strengths rather than the manager just deciding what style he wants and forcing players to play a way that doesn’t suit them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2023 16:27:55 GMT
7 goals and 5 assists this season in the league. Only bettered by Tyrese (9 goals 5 assists) And for some comparison: Laurent (4 goals 3 assists) Smallbone (3 goals 5 assists) "Stat-padding" if ever there was any. He takes penalties and a decent corner, sometimes. I said a few weeks back, if anyone looks at his stats then he won't be short of offers if he's looking to move on. The reality, based on this season, is much different. Like Powell, it doesn't appear that Neil or his approach get the best out of him, but he's been so poor when he's got on the pitch. I was just surprised more than anything tbh. I can’t remember any one of the seven 😂 Give me Powell over Neil every day of the week.
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May 11, 2023 19:14:48 GMT
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Post by dingbat on May 11, 2023 19:14:48 GMT
To me, he’s a lot like Clucas. Largely anonymous in games but scores goals. We’ve tried to play him in a role that negates his one true asset: the ability to arrive late and take a shot while putting his shoulder over the ball. Now, he’s just anonymous. If only we could actually consider playing these players to their actual strengths rather than the manager just deciding what style he wants and forcing players to play a way that doesn’t suit them. Baker has been an enigma to me tbh. For me, at the end of the day, he lacks a commanding presence on the pitch, questionable passion, commitment and desire to put his body on the line, that is why I would accept offers.
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May 11, 2023 19:31:15 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on May 11, 2023 19:31:15 GMT
Last month’s FourFourTwo magazine had a 50 best players in the EFL feature, and somehow Baker was one of them. Perplexed much??
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May 11, 2023 23:14:15 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 11, 2023 23:14:15 GMT
Last month’s FourFourTwo magazine had a 50 best players in the EFL feature, and somehow Baker was one of them. Perplexed much?? Lazy journalism.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 12, 2023 6:03:07 GMT
Last month’s FourFourTwo magazine had a 50 best players in the EFL feature, and somehow Baker was one of them. Perplexed much?? The feature was put together months ago tbf, well before his real slump started.
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Post by thevoid on May 12, 2023 6:36:33 GMT
His main attribute seems to be finding opposition players with set pieces
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May 12, 2023 7:05:33 GMT
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Post by questionable on May 12, 2023 7:05:33 GMT
I mentioned above his presence on the pitch from the substitute bench is one of a pending disaster, chasing the game he’s totally useless and offers nothing, in control and running down the clock and he’s constantly making stupid mistakes, caught in possession, terrible passes in truth it’s presenting the opposition with a way back into the game, he looks totally lost.
It’s Stokes way “player A” has a few good games gets offered a lengthy contract “chuck in” the captains armband for good will “Player A” then has a dramatic decline in fortunes.
You have to protect your assets but we always seem to get stung in these scenarios
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May 12, 2023 7:28:02 GMT
Post by lawrieleslie on May 12, 2023 7:28:02 GMT
I think we might have made a huge mistake in playing Smallbone instead of Baker for most of this season. I'm sure we could have trained Baker to adopt Smallbone's role and he could not have been less effective let's face it. Playing Smallbone has achieved nothing for this club, in fact it has proved detrimental, whereas this season could have been about developing Baker's game and investing in one of our own players. Even at his age players like Baker can develop, adapt and progress with the right coaching. Instead Baker has seemingly gone backwards. After it became obvious that the loanees were downing tools following the Coventry game and 52 points on the board, why weren’t young academy players given extended game time for final 6 or 7 games? I know it’s all in hindsight but the manager and coaching team must have had an inkling of what was to come following the Bristol city capitulation.
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May 12, 2023 7:31:41 GMT
Post by femark on May 12, 2023 7:31:41 GMT
He played almost every minute of the first 29 games scoring 5 and assisting 5. He was dropped to the bench after the luton game, at the start of feb, but still managed 2 goals in 4 as a sub.
If he'd played the full 46 games then statistically he would have scored 3 and assisted 3 more taking him to 8 goals and 8 assists, which is pretty decent for a midfielder.
A lot of his poor performances came towards the second half of the season when he came on as a sub. He isn't exactly an "impact sub" and in most cases was bought on when there was nothing to play for or we were chasing a game because of how shit the team had collectively played.
We had an upturn in form for the 10 games after he was dropped, so it's understandable why Neil didn't play him, but for the fans to react how they have is unusual.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 12, 2023 8:10:10 GMT
He played almost every minute of the first 29 games scoring 5 and assisting 5. He was dropped to the bench after the luton game, at the start of feb, but still managed 2 goals in 4 as a sub. If he'd played the full 46 games then statistically he would have scored 3 and assisted 3 more taking him to 8 goals and 8 assists, which is pretty decent for a midfielder. A lot of his poor performances came towards the second half of the season when he came on as a sub. He isn't exactly an "impact sub" and in most cases was bought on when there was nothing to play for or we were chasing a game because of how shit the team had collectively played. We had an upturn in form for the 10 games after he was dropped, so it's understandable why Neil didn't play him, but for the fans to react how they have is unusual. The negativity towards the bloke is baffling, he was struggling a bit, got dropped and now I keep reading how "his attitude stinks" and "he couldn't give a shit". He should have played more games towards the end of the season.............
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