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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 6, 2023 13:03:54 GMT
I am not getting the hatred for Lambert either Took an absolute dog shit team and made them slightly more organized and hard working. His forwards included an unfit saido ' where the drugs , party,girls ' berahino . A man so deluded he thought he could piss the premier League without even bothering to be fit . In his own head , Barcelona A list , simply had to turn up, to walk the premier League. Jesse ' I have to be given compassionate leave to fly back to Spain to be at my sick young childs bedside/ oh dear I seem to have accidentally flown to the Balearic Islands and am shacked up with some model, getting paid a 100 grand a week by PSG / Stoke for nobbing her / not bad work if you can get it Rodriguez And heart in the right place, lost all confidence couldn't hit a barn door at 5 paces Diof A very tall order to get that lot to give man city , Liverpool etc the run around. Lambert is a proper football man , who in his finest hour as a player, marked zinadine Zidane out of the game, and set up the opening goal to win the European cup And in his finest hour as a manager won back to back promotions with Norwich to take them from league one to the prem ( and keep them their ) . That's not bad going in anybody's book. He failed because a fair chunk of the players at the club, were here purely for the money and had no intention whatsoever of applying themselves for ninety minutes in the manner Lambert himself did as a player. He instantly fell out with the players, who were too mentally brittle , lazy and arrogant to put a shift in. And there were not enough players in general and certainly not enough forwards and goalscorers in those that remained. We had an awful lot of players on the books, not interested in listening to bloke who won back to back promotions at Norwich and was rated by both Zidane and Roy Keane as one of the toughest opponents they faced . Will be interesting to see what those players go on to achieve in the game compared to Lambert. In hindsight, January should have seen another manager ( not Lambert) and different strikers ( not berahino/ Jesse /diouf ) But let's not kid ourselves into believing Lambert is a football numpty , who wouldn't have stood a lot more chance with better players As a manager he’d succeeded at Colchester, Norwich and nowhere else (and that was years ago by that point) and what he achieved as a player is irrelevant.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 6, 2023 13:33:48 GMT
I am not getting the hatred for Lambert either Took an absolute dog shit team and made them slightly more organized and hard working. His forwards included an unfit saido ' where the drugs , party,girls ' berahino . A man so deluded he thought he could piss the premier League without even bothering to be fit . In his own head , Barcelona A list , simply had to turn up, to walk the premier League. Jesse ' I have to be given compassionate leave to fly back to Spain to be at my sick young childs bedside/ oh dear I seem to have accidentally flown to the Balearic Islands and am shacked up with some model, getting paid a 100 grand a week by PSG / Stoke for nobbing her / not bad work if you can get it Rodriguez And heart in the right place, lost all confidence couldn't hit a barn door at 5 paces Diof A very tall order to get that lot to give man city , Liverpool etc the run around. Lambert is a proper football man , who in his finest hour as a player, marked zinadine Zidane out of the game, and set up the opening goal to win the European cup And in his finest hour as a manager won back to back promotions with Norwich to take them from league one to the prem ( and keep them their ) . That's not bad going in anybody's book. He failed because a fair chunk of the players at the club, were here purely for the money and had no intention whatsoever of applying themselves for ninety minutes in the manner Lambert himself did as a player. He instantly fell out with the players, who were too mentally brittle , lazy and arrogant to put a shift in. And there were not enough players in general and certainly not enough forwards and goalscorers in those that remained. We had an awful lot of players on the books, not interested in listening to bloke who won back to back promotions at Norwich and was rated by both Zidane and Roy Keane as one of the toughest opponents they faced . Will be interesting to see what those players go on to achieve in the game compared to Lambert. In hindsight, January should have seen another manager ( not Lambert) and different strikers ( not berahino/ Jesse /diouf ) But let's not kid ourselves into believing Lambert is a football numpty , who wouldn't have stood a lot more chance with better players No-one in football would have looked at that Lambert appointment, and thought "good appointment". Somehow, our club did. Amazing. All that's being discussed here, is his suitability for the job, at the time. It was unfathomable. His CV was average at best, and he'd got nothing on there, that suggested he was the go-to-guy for a relegation scrap. You're right - the rancid group of players he had at his disposal, didn't help. I recall him talking about how unprofessional a number of them were at the time. What it needed, was a proven 'backs to the wall' manager, and a generous 'survival bonus' to motivate the players. I can only assume that the club, by the end of the season, had also decided that Lambert wasn't their man. Once you'd trusted him with PL survival, you may as well have trusted him to get us stabilised in the Championship. But we didn't. So we paid him 2.5yrs salary, for 4 months of abject failure, then booted him out. What went after, well, I suppose in hindsight, I'd probably rather have kept Lambert for another year. Again, we didn't. What's resulted, is probably the most insipid attempt at a Premier League return, that we've seen from any club, outside of Sunderland. Absolutely fucking pathetic.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 8, 2023 15:08:10 GMT
What did the board see on Lambert's CV to convince them? I was surprised to see that other than taking Norwich up to the Prem from L1 in successive seasons, his record was average at the very best. At Villa he even managed to lose to League 2 Bradford in a two-leg League Cup semi. There must have been a better option somewhere. He was cheap and available and the owners haven’t got the imagination to look beyond the end of their noses. You can say a lot about our owners but I don't think 'cheap' came into it. I'd say it was 75% panic after being twice publicly rejected and 25% insistence on a manager 'proven' in the PL.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 8, 2023 15:54:52 GMT
We were a half decent striker off staying up. Unfortunately we had a badly out of form Diouf up front.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 8, 2023 16:09:33 GMT
He was cheap and available and the owners haven’t got the imagination to look beyond the end of their noses. You can say a lot about our owners but I don't think 'cheap' came into it. I'd say it was 75% panic after being twice publicly rejected and 25% insistence on a manager 'proven' in the PL. That’s somehow even more damning.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 8, 2023 16:56:25 GMT
You can say a lot about our owners but I don't think 'cheap' came into it. I'd say it was 75% panic after being twice publicly rejected and 25% insistence on a manager 'proven' in the PL. That’s somehow even more damning. Yeah, I'm not really saying it was good - just not motivated by cost.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 9, 2023 0:55:35 GMT
I wouldn't hold your breath, that's one of his longer posts How you doing stalker,,,,,
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Post by dirtclod on May 9, 2023 2:43:47 GMT
I am not getting the hatred for Lambert either Took an absolute dog shit team and made them slightly more organized and hard working. His forwards included an unfit saido ' where the drugs , party,girls ' berahino . A man so deluded he thought he could piss the premier League without even bothering to be fit . In his own head , Barcelona A list , simply had to turn up, to walk the premier League. Jesse ' I have to be given compassionate leave to fly back to Spain to be at my sick young childs bedside/ oh dear I seem to have accidentally flown to the Balearic Islands and am shacked up with some model, getting paid a 100 grand a week by PSG / Stoke for nobbing her / not bad work if you can get it Rodriguez And heart in the right place, lost all confidence couldn't hit a barn door at 5 paces Diof A very tall order to get that lot to give man city , Liverpool etc the run around. Lambert is a proper football man , who in his finest hour as a player, marked zinadine Zidane out of the game, and set up the opening goal to win the European cup And in his finest hour as a manager won back to back promotions with Norwich to take them from league one to the prem ( and keep them their ) . That's not bad going in anybody's book. He failed because a fair chunk of the players at the club, were here purely for the money and had no intention whatsoever of applying themselves for ninety minutes in the manner Lambert himself did as a player. He instantly fell out with the players, who were too mentally brittle , lazy and arrogant to put a shift in. And there were not enough players in general and certainly not enough forwards and goalscorers in those that remained. We had an awful lot of players on the books, not interested in listening to bloke who won back to back promotions at Norwich and was rated by both Zidane and Roy Keane as one of the toughest opponents they faced . Will be interesting to see what those players go on to achieve in the game compared to Lambert. In hindsight, January should have seen another manager ( not Lambert) and different strikers ( not berahino/ Jesse /diouf ) But let's not kid ourselves into believing Lambert is a football numpty , who wouldn't have stood a lot more chance with better players No-one in football would have looked at that Lambert appointment, and thought "good appointment". Somehow, our club did. Amazing. All that's being discussed here, is his suitability for the job, at the time. It was unfathomable. His CV was average at best, and he'd got nothing on there, that suggested he was the go-to-guy for a relegation scrap. You're right - the rancid group of players he had at his disposal, didn't help. I recall him talking about how unprofessional a number of them were at the time. What it needed, was a proven 'backs to the wall' manager, and a generous 'survival bonus' to motivate the players. I can only assume that the club, by the end of the season, had also decided that Lambert wasn't their man. Once you'd trusted him with PL survival, you may as well have trusted him to get us stabilised in the Championship. But we didn't. So we paid him 2.5yrs salary, for 4 months of abject failure, then booted him out. What went after, well, I suppose in hindsight, I'd probably rather have kept Lambert for another year. Again, we didn't. What's resulted, is probably the most insipid attempt at a Premier League return, that we've seen from any club, outside of Sunderland. Absolutely fucking pathetic. Doesn't make for comfortable reading, but agree that with hindsight, we might as well kept him for another year and possibly avoided the 50 Million dollar acid reflux experience that was Rowett. Then the Jones appointment - (maybe one day I'll come over there and one of you can give me a concussion so that I can forget that part altogether) became the vomiting portion of our recent history. Next comes MON with the mop and bucket, (then Warnock accused us of leaving that mess in the changing room) cleans up part of the mess, then we raid Sunderland and here we are. Stuck in the (lower) middle with AN.
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Post by thevoid on May 9, 2023 8:47:09 GMT
I wouldn't hold your breath, that's one of his longer posts How you doing stalker,,,,, A stalker would mean me replying to you directly,,,,I was talking about you. Now why don't you reply to Joe's request,,,,,Mr Stupid?
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Post by thevoid on May 9, 2023 8:50:04 GMT
Of the thousands of managers around the world, we picked him. Just shows you the vision and ambition of these owners. As I've said before, if Denise had nothing to do with bet365 they'd still be based in a portakabin and smaller than William Hill
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Post by thevoid on May 9, 2023 8:51:58 GMT
Shocking appointment but not the worst in our history Jones, Ball, Jordan, Kammy, Little all worse Little was a bit of a coup when we got him. On paper that was a decent appointment. There is a common denominator with all of those appointments though.
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 9, 2023 18:24:15 GMT
Shocking appointment but not the worst in our history Jones, Ball, Jordan, Kammy, Little all worse Little was a bit of a coup when we got him. On paper that was a decent appointment. There is a common denominator with all of those appointments though. Yeah mate, I was delighted when we got Little. Pretty chuffed with Kammy too My post was badly worded, I was thinking of their spells rather than the actual appointment In all their years in charge theyve only really had 3 successful appointments…Lou, TP and Hughes. Mills and MON were ok to begin with and Gary Mego coukd have turned out alright but the rest…..Not a great track record
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 18, 2023 8:40:33 GMT
How you doing stalker,,,,, A stalker would mean me replying to you directly,,,,I was talking about you. Now why don't you reply to Joe's request,,,,,Mr Stupid? Hello stalker
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 18, 2023 8:40:46 GMT
How you doing stalker,,,,, A stalker would mean me replying to you directly,,,,I was talking about you. Now why don't you reply to Joe's request,,,,,Mr Stupid? Hello stalker
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Post by thevoid on May 18, 2023 10:22:54 GMT
A stalker would mean me replying to you directly,,,,I was talking about you. Now why don't you reply to Joe's request,,,,,Mr Stupid? Hello stalker Freak 😃
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Post by stonecoldstokie on May 18, 2023 11:57:11 GMT
Can’t believe it’s been 5 years. We were doomed the minute that plonker walked through the door. Still remember his interviews, they were all along the lines of ‘uhhhh we uhhhhh we had good spells uhhh in the game uhhhh but couldn’t get the win today ugghh’. Hands down the worst manager we’ve had in my years watching Stoke, tactic was basically give the ball to Shaqiri and pray
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Post by stonecoldstokie on May 18, 2023 12:01:34 GMT
Can’t believe it’s been 5 years. We were doomed the minute that plonker walked through the door. Still remember his interviews, they were all along the lines of ‘uhhhh we uhhhhh we had good spells uhhh in the game uhhhh but couldn’t get the win today ugghh’. Hands down the worst manager we’ve had in my years watching Stoke, tactic was basically give the ball to Shaqiri and pray He wasn’t the worst manager at all, yes he should not have got the job but he was clearly not the boards first opinion. He was not able to spend any money & inherited a team lacking confidence, discipline and shipping goals for fun. He worked on the defence and installed discipline and was nothing but complimentary to the club and fans. On the other hand, Rowett had the biggest championship budget, blew the lot on garbage and instead of accepting his failures he turned on the fans, he’s one of the worst managers I’ve seen in recent times
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Post by bgreen13 on May 18, 2023 14:14:44 GMT
Still moping?
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Post by hoppo96 on May 18, 2023 14:28:01 GMT
Appointing Paul Lambert in january to maintain your premier league place was one of the most stupidest things a Premier League club has ever done. There was no benefit to his tenure, 'improving the defence' aye he played about seven defenders.
Idk if these rumours were true but the "appointed him because he impressed the board with a presentation" stuff is laughable.
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Post by hoppo96 on May 18, 2023 14:32:52 GMT
I am not getting the hatred for Lambert either Took an absolute dog shit team and made them slightly more organized and hard working. His forwards included an unfit saido ' where the drugs , party,girls ' berahino . A man so deluded he thought he could piss the premier League without even bothering to be fit . In his own head , Barcelona A list , simply had to turn up, to walk the premier League. Jesse ' I have to be given compassionate leave to fly back to Spain to be at my sick young childs bedside/ oh dear I seem to have accidentally flown to the Balearic Islands and am shacked up with some model, getting paid a 100 grand a week by PSG / Stoke for nobbing her / not bad work if you can get it Rodriguez And heart in the right place, lost all confidence couldn't hit a barn door at 5 paces Diof A very tall order to get that lot to give man city , Liverpool etc the run around. Lambert is a proper football man , who in his finest hour as a player, marked zinadine Zidane out of the game, and set up the opening goal to win the European cup And in his finest hour as a manager won back to back promotions with Norwich to take them from league one to the prem ( and keep them their ) . That's not bad going in anybody's book. He failed because a fair chunk of the players at the club, were here purely for the money and had no intention whatsoever of applying themselves for ninety minutes in the manner Lambert himself did as a player. He instantly fell out with the players, who were too mentally brittle , lazy and arrogant to put a shift in. And there were not enough players in general and certainly not enough forwards and goalscorers in those that remained. We had an awful lot of players on the books, not interested in listening to bloke who won back to back promotions at Norwich and was rated by both Zidane and Roy Keane as one of the toughest opponents they faced . Will be interesting to see what those players go on to achieve in the game compared to Lambert. In hindsight, January should have seen another manager ( not Lambert) and different strikers ( not berahino/ Jesse /diouf ) But let's not kid ourselves into believing Lambert is a football numpty , who wouldn't have stood a lot more chance with better players He's a nice man so nobody could hate him but he was also a terrible appointment for a football club that was fighting to maintain it's lucrative spot in the Premier League. The squad was not great (Most of the British 'lads' included) but Huddersfield and a Pellegrino/Hughes led Southampton stayed up instead of us. Tbh most of the blame goes on the ownership/board for deciding to hire him.
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Post by thevoid on May 18, 2023 17:26:13 GMT
Appointing Paul Lambert in january to maintain your premier league place was one of the most stupidest things a Premier League club has ever done. There was no benefit to his tenure, 'improving the defence' aye he played about seven defenders. Idk if these rumours were true but the "appointed him because he impressed the board with a presentation" stuff is laughable. Well this is a board who appointed someone based on a recommendation down the pub, so it wouldn't shock you if it's true
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Post by pavel on May 19, 2023 14:43:18 GMT
Appointing Paul Lambert in january to maintain your premier league place was one of the most stupidest things a Premier League club has ever done. There was no benefit to his tenure, 'improving the defence' aye he played about seven defenders. Idk if these rumours were true but the "appointed him because he impressed the board with a presentation" stuff is laughable. Well this is a board who appointed someone based on a recommendation down the pub, so it wouldn't shock you if it's true I actually think that recommendations from a football pub would be better than than most of the appointments they’ve made over the years and that is worrying.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 20, 2023 13:04:20 GMT
With all the money the Coates family had, Shirley they could have got a decent manager from somewhere willing to manage a club that had been in the Premiership for 10 yrs.
But somehow they came up with Lambert, there must have been some brain farts going on in the boardroom when they decided on one of the worst managers they could think of.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 20, 2023 14:49:46 GMT
Words fail me “Paul greatly impressed us with his knowledge of our squad and had a clear plan of how he would improve our results,” said chairman Peter Coates. Like father like son “comical” Did Coates really say that? If so it’s up there with Hughes’s "Bringing Kevin Wimmer here is a real coup in my view, because he is a hugely talented young player who will undoubtedly add further quality to the group".
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 20, 2023 15:03:32 GMT
He was cheap and available and the owners haven’t got the imagination to look beyond the end of their noses. You can say a lot about our owners but I don't think 'cheap' came into it. I'd say it was 75% panic after being twice publicly rejected and 25% insistence on a manager 'proven' in the PL. I thought Martin O’Neil was the 3rd to turned us down after Flores & Rowett. I was surprised we eventually appointed Rowett because I think he used us in order to prise a better contract at Derby. Flores did similar at Espanyol but was also sacked at the end of that season.
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Post by dirtclod on May 20, 2023 15:10:13 GMT
Well crap, Carlo Ancelotti has announced that he will be staying at Real after all. OK, I'm for sticking with what we have then.
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Post by J-Roar on May 20, 2023 15:12:59 GMT
With all the money the Coates family had, Shirley they could have got a decent manager from somewhere willing to manage a club that had been in the Premiership for 10 yrs. But somehow they came up with Lambert, there must have been some brain farts going on in the boardroom when they decided on one of the worst managers they could think of. Johnnie Foreigner turned us down (he was OK because he'd managed in England before) so it was back to fishing in the British Manager pond discounting anyone who'd not managed in the Premier League. That left Martin O'Neill and Lambert. We'd already pissed of O'Neill so it was Hobson's choice. The real shocker is that they had no one lined up so we were in limbo for most of the fucking transfer window.
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Post by thevoid on May 20, 2023 17:29:32 GMT
With all the money the Coates family had, Shirley they could have got a decent manager from somewhere willing to manage a club that had been in the Premiership for 10 yrs. But somehow they came up with Lambert, there must have been some brain farts going on in the boardroom when they decided on one of the worst managers they could think of. Johnnie Foreigner turned us down (he was OK because he'd managed in England before) so it was back to fishing in the British Manager pond discounting anyone who'd not managed in the Premier League. That left Martin O'Neill and Lambert. We'd already pissed of O'Neill so it was Hobson's choice. The real shocker is that they had no one lined up so we were in limbo for most of the fucking transfer window. Don't forget John Beck and Stan Ternent had already retired. That would've widened the field.
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Post by onyourbonce on May 20, 2023 22:27:37 GMT
Nail in the coffin of our demise and the sheer narrow mindedness of our owners get a washed up dead beat British manager to save our premier league existence who hasn’t had a job since.
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Post by generationex on May 20, 2023 23:27:06 GMT
Lambert didn’t sign that pile of shite that took 4 years to clear out.
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