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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2023 22:35:49 GMT
Wasn't it a joke at the time? Pretty sure he posted on Facebook/Twitter or Instagram that he wanted the job and next thing we knew he was installed 😂 Not a clue sorry. I think I zoned out because I didn’t want to believe we were actually interested
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 5, 2023 22:37:39 GMT
Shocking appointment but not the worst in our history
Jones, Ball, Jordan, Kammy, Little all worse
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Post by metalhead on May 5, 2023 23:01:34 GMT
I really don't get the hatred for Lambert.... he took an absolute pile of disorganised shit and made them slightly more organised.... Let's not pretend to be in a different world here, they were still shit, why is Lambert taking so much of the blame? How many of those world beaters that were 'failed' by Lambert went on to have a solid career after fucking off from our sinking ship? Choupo is the only one.
Ultimately, we couldn't score.... we kept getting battered, so Hughes went. Lambert comes in.... we couldn't score.... we stopped getting battered.
The issue was that we couldn't score.... it's a problem we've had for about 5-6 years now.
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Post by PotterLog on May 5, 2023 23:03:55 GMT
Shocking appointment but not the worst in our history Jones, Ball, Jordan, Kammy, Little all worse As actual *appointments* I’d say all of those made more sense than PL
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Post by starkiller on May 6, 2023 3:12:36 GMT
He arrived in January. Should never, ever, in a trillion years, have been a go-to option on our list, whether he was 1st, or 21st-choice. We then inexplicably gave him a 2.5 year contract, and sacked him 4 months later, for getting relegated. FFS. I can only imagine this was during the Coates family's little-publicised, dark, 'Crystal Meth bender' phase. It's up there with the most ridiculous decisions the club have made in my lifetime. I still maintain that keeping Hughes would have been preferable. I think we wouldn't have gone down if Hughes had not been sacked.Positive we would have got the 3/4 points we needed to survive. Yeah, it would have been better to keep Hughes at that stage.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 6, 2023 3:43:25 GMT
He should have been kept on instead of appointing Robert!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 6, 2023 6:21:28 GMT
I really don't get the hatred for Lambert.... he took an absolute pile of disorganised shit and made them slightly more organised.... Let's not pretend to be in a different world here, they were still shit, why is Lambert taking so much of the blame? How many of those world beaters that were 'failed' by Lambert went on to have a solid career after fucking off from our sinking ship? Choupo is the only one. Ultimately, we couldn't score.... we kept getting battered, so Hughes went. Lambert comes in.... we couldn't score.... we stopped getting battered. The issue was that we couldn't score.... it's a problem we've had for about 5-6 years now. We actually needed to look for wins to stay up though and he totally locked us down. He brought back the likes of Fletcher, Johnson and Adam, who were completely shot and the latter of whom cost us in a couple of big games and was patently unfit. I think he somehow managed to get fewer points in his 15 or so games in charge than Hughes got in his last 15? I don’t get why the board didn’t remove Hughes the previous summer. They’d managed the Pulis situation perfectly and moved him out and just the right time, had the chance to do so with Hughes and then didn’t.
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 6, 2023 7:05:21 GMT
Shocking appointment but not the worst in our history Jones, Ball, Jordan, Kammy, Little all worse As actual *appointments* I’d say all of those made more sense than PL Yep fair point My post should have said worst manager spell But yes, as appointments Lambo takes some beating
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Post by metalhead on May 6, 2023 7:40:52 GMT
I really don't get the hatred for Lambert.... he took an absolute pile of disorganised shit and made them slightly more organised.... Let's not pretend to be in a different world here, they were still shit, why is Lambert taking so much of the blame? How many of those world beaters that were 'failed' by Lambert went on to have a solid career after fucking off from our sinking ship? Choupo is the only one. Ultimately, we couldn't score.... we kept getting battered, so Hughes went. Lambert comes in.... we couldn't score.... we stopped getting battered. The issue was that we couldn't score.... it's a problem we've had for about 5-6 years now. We actually needed to look for wins to stay up though and he totally locked us down. He brought back the likes of Fletcher, Johnson and Adam, who were completely shot and the latter of whom cost us in a couple of big games and was patently unfit. I think he somehow managed to get fewer points in his 15 or so games in charge than Hughes got in his last 15? I don’t get why the board didn’t remove Hughes the previous summer. They’d managed the Pulis situation perfectly and moved him out and just the right time, had the chance to do so with Hughes and then didn’t. We were so close to sacking Hughes, the Watford away win, which I was there for kept him in a job. Ironically, I'm sure they battered us that game and we should have lost. The goal was more or less out of nowhere. We lose that, he goes, I reckon we stay up.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on May 6, 2023 8:05:16 GMT
We actually needed to look for wins to stay up though and he totally locked us down. He brought back the likes of Fletcher, Johnson and Adam, who were completely shot and the latter of whom cost us in a couple of big games and was patently unfit. I think he somehow managed to get fewer points in his 15 or so games in charge than Hughes got in his last 15? I don’t get why the board didn’t remove Hughes the previous summer. They’d managed the Pulis situation perfectly and moved him out and just the right time, had the chance to do so with Hughes and then didn’t. We were so close to sacking Hughes, the Watford away win, which I was there for kept him in a job. Ironically, I'm sure they battered us that game and we should have lost. The goal was more or less out of nowhere. We lose that, he goes, I reckon we stay up. That's my recollection of the Watford game as well, think it was Darren fucking Fletcher who scored when we should've lost by about 3. I'll never ever claim to be ITK but I was told that David Moyes was going to replace Hughes if he lost the Watford game. Instead, we scraped that win, the family gave Hughes another couple of months, he failed to win another game and I think Moyes ended up being snapped up by West Ham a few weeks later.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 6, 2023 8:13:41 GMT
I don't have anything against Lambert. He did the job to the best of his abilities, which ultimately wasn't good enough. I know a Villa supporter and we seemed to have a very similar Lambert experience to them. I can still remember being at work and shouting 'WHAT?!' when I saw that we'd appointed him. I was furious for the rest of the day.
I don't think you could get a more textbook example of a panic appointment, though. We'd been very, very publicly turned down by our first choice and second choice and I think the board just got desperate. I still struggle to believe that there was no other manager in the world who would have taken the job, or who could have kept us up.
My choice at the time was Bielsa, who I would happily have seen us throw millions at, but I'd have walked over broken glass to get Pulis back on a six month deal with a huge bonus for keeping us up.
I've also just remembered what a horror show that January window was. N'Diaye, Bauer and Stafilydis all mysteriously conjured out of thin air, with the manager saying in a press conference that he'd never even heard of Stafilydis.
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Post by metalhead on May 6, 2023 8:14:23 GMT
We were so close to sacking Hughes, the Watford away win, which I was there for kept him in a job. Ironically, I'm sure they battered us that game and we should have lost. The goal was more or less out of nowhere. We lose that, he goes, I reckon we stay up. That's my recollection of the Watford game as well, think it was Darren fucking Fletcher who scored when we should've lost by about 3. I'll never ever claim to be ITK but I was told that David Moyes was going to replace Hughes if he lost the Watford game. Instead, we scraped that win, the family gave Hughes another couple of months, he failed to win another game and I think Moyes ended up being snapped up by West Ham a few weeks later. Yeah it was Fletcher. I seem to remember it being a great goal as well from the edge of the area. One of the worst signings in our history doing something absolutely brilliant, which actually later on turned out to be more harmful than him signing in the first place you can't make it up really, can you? I've also heard that line. Think it was the Sentinel. It didn't need to be Moyes. It just needed someone with a fresh set of eyes and a full transfer window to go at. Instead, I think Lambert signed about a week before the end. As much as I love and appreciate what Coates has done for our club, it's also clear that it hasn't been run to full potential and that's just another sign really.
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Post by Gods on May 6, 2023 8:33:32 GMT
We went down by 4 points in the end.
A couple of moments spring to mind, Andy Carroll's last ditch equaliser at West Ham following Butland's weak clearance and Charlie Adam's penalty miss and failure to convert the rebound also at the death which meant we didn't beat Brighton.
There's 4 points, right there.
Fine margins!
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 6, 2023 8:53:48 GMT
I really don't get the hatred for Lambert.... he took an absolute pile of disorganised shit and made them slightly more organised.... Let's not pretend to be in a different world here, they were still shit, why is Lambert taking so much of the blame? How many of those world beaters that were 'failed' by Lambert went on to have a solid career after fucking off from our sinking ship? Choupo is the only one. Ultimately, we couldn't score.... we kept getting battered, so Hughes went. Lambert comes in.... we couldn't score.... we stopped getting battered. The issue was that we couldn't score.... it's a problem we've had for about 5-6 years now. I'm not sure there's much 'hate' for him. The appointment was ludicrously poorly thought-through. I wouldn't have wanted Rylan Clark to manage our escape from the Premier League drop-zone, but I don't hate him. We plumped for a manager who was literally, floating around in the football wilderness, and has been pretty-much ever since. The only shred of an excuse would have been that we'd drawn up a long list of possibilities, and all of the others said 'no'. That single call by the Coates family possibly ruined all of the good work that went before it.
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Post by metalhead on May 6, 2023 9:06:24 GMT
We went down by 4 points in the end. A couple of moments spring to mind, Andy Carroll's last ditch equaliser at West Ham following Butland's weak clearance and Charlie Adam's penalty miss and failure to convert the rebound also at the death which meant we didn't beat Brighton. There's 4 points, right there. Fine margins! I forget the Carroll goal. The Charlie Adam penalty was another disgusting episode in Stoke City's slightly depressing history. At the time, I was about 27 and a decent runner and I drunkenly offered him a running race, I think on Twitter (I've since sacked off gladly) and on here I still believe to this day that I'd have wiped the floor with him and that says it all. A Sunday league pisshead beating a professional footballer. I've never seen a football player move so slowly in the professional game. It was unacceptable how his weight and fitness got to the state it was. He should have been forced to sprint 20 laps of the pitch every day until it was under control. Ahh but he was a laugh and had a good left foot. Absolute garbage. The other moment that I remember is the Leicester home game. I was at a wedding and slipped some earphones in and was listening right up to the point of the ceremony. We were comfortable, seemingly in control, winning, I took my earphones out and watched the wedding. My dad... Did not and when Butland dropped a fucking howler, he turned and looked at me in the most obvious way... Pretty sure everyone in the room knew something was up. Earphone slipped back in and I hear poor Nige borderline in tears. Of course there's also the Arnie game. You have to hand it to him.... We ripped him mercilessly and he simply did a job on us. I really have no hard feelings anymore. He could see what we couldn't. It was a club on the slide.
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Post by metalhead on May 6, 2023 9:06:59 GMT
I really don't get the hatred for Lambert.... he took an absolute pile of disorganised shit and made them slightly more organised.... Let's not pretend to be in a different world here, they were still shit, why is Lambert taking so much of the blame? How many of those world beaters that were 'failed' by Lambert went on to have a solid career after fucking off from our sinking ship? Choupo is the only one. Ultimately, we couldn't score.... we kept getting battered, so Hughes went. Lambert comes in.... we couldn't score.... we stopped getting battered. The issue was that we couldn't score.... it's a problem we've had for about 5-6 years now. I'm not sure there's much 'hate' for him. The appointment was ludicrously poorly thought-through. I wouldn't have wanted Rylan Clark to manage our escape from the Premier League drop-zone, but I don't hate him. We plumped for a manager who was literally, floating around in the football wilderness, and has been pretty-much ever since. The only shred of an excuse would have been that we'd drawn up a long list of possibilities, and all of the others said 'no'. That single call by the Coates family possibly ruined all of the good work that went before it. The mistake was waiting, imo.
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Post by pavel on May 6, 2023 9:13:33 GMT
Lambert was indeed a unfathonable and horrendous appointment but let’s not kid ourselves, it was fairly par the course for the Coates ownership of the club. We’ve had Macari, Pulis and Hughes that have been successful under their watch, correct me if I’m wrong but I can’t think of any others. The rest have been utter garbage.
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Post by outspaced on May 6, 2023 9:16:56 GMT
What did the board see on Lambert's CV to convince them? I was surprised to see that other than taking Norwich up to the Prem from L1 in successive seasons, his record was average at the very best. At Villa he even managed to lose to League 2 Bradford in a two-leg League Cup semi.
There must have been a better option somewhere.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 6, 2023 9:33:01 GMT
What did the board see on Lambert's CV to convince them? I was surprised to see that other than taking Norwich up to the Prem from L1 in successive seasons, his record was average at the very best. At Villa he even managed to lose to League 2 Bradford in a two-leg League Cup semi. There must have been a better option somewhere. He was cheap and available and the owners haven’t got the imagination to look beyond the end of their noses.
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Post by metalhead on May 6, 2023 9:38:30 GMT
What did the board see on Lambert's CV to convince them? I was surprised to see that other than taking Norwich up to the Prem from L1 in successive seasons, his record was average at the very best. At Villa he even managed to lose to League 2 Bradford in a two-leg League Cup semi. There must have been a better option somewhere. As time has gone on, the more I genuinely believe Pulis should have been given the job. This is what he lived for. A 6 month contract with a fucking huge payout. I wasn't overly happy at the thought of him returning back then, but he would have done a job. We all know it. Even those who fucking hate him can't argue that keeping clubs up is what Tony Pulis did. That was all he did. He didn't play good football, or any football for that matter. He kept clubs up. When he took on Palace, I stuck £10 on them to stay up, at some fantastic odds. I have a number of Palace mates who couldn't believe me. I told them it was the safest bet I'd ever placed and I still believe that to this day. Pulis would have kept us up. We could have quietly said bye, again.... properly this time, and then moved onto pastures new in the right way. Lambert wasn't a bad appointment because of his CV, he was a bad appointment because it screamed of desperation. A panic hire..... The message it sent to the footballing world was "this club is going down and we can't stop it". The workplace equivalent is someone being promoted into a role they are not capable of performing because the previous employee left unexpectably. Google 'the peter principle', the idea of people being promoted up into a role where they are inevitably incompetent and it's something that happens in business all the time (remember that guy at work who got made a manager when he really wasn't qualified?). Lambert is the footballing equivalent. His managerial record is poor, at best... Even Lambert's stats before joining should have shown that he didn't have what it takes to keep us up. He was a very defensive manager taking over a team with too many problems for him to deal with. He actually tightened us up a lot to his credit, but we couldn't score. WE COULD NOT SCORE. He did fuck all to solve that.
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Post by questionable on May 6, 2023 9:46:07 GMT
Words fail me
“Paul greatly impressed us with his knowledge of our squad and had a clear plan of how he would improve our results,” said chairman Peter Coates.
Like father like son “comical”
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Post by Gods on May 6, 2023 10:25:45 GMT
I really don't get the hatred for Lambert.... he took an absolute pile of disorganised shit and made them slightly more organised.... Let's not pretend to be in a different world here, they were still shit, why is Lambert taking so much of the blame? How many of those world beaters that were 'failed' by Lambert went on to have a solid career after fucking off from our sinking ship? Choupo is the only one. Ultimately, we couldn't score.... we kept getting battered, so Hughes went. Lambert comes in.... we couldn't score.... we stopped getting battered. The issue was that we couldn't score.... it's a problem we've had for about 5-6 years now. I'm not sure there's much 'hate' for him. The appointment was ludicrously poorly thought-through. I wouldn't have wanted Rylan Clark to manage our escape from the Premier League drop-zone, but I don't hate him. We plumped for a manager who was literally, floating around in the football wilderness, and has been pretty-much ever since. The only shred of an excuse would have been that we'd drawn up a long list of possibilities, and all of the others said 'no'. That single call by the Coates family possibly ruined all of the good work that went before it. Massive call wan't it? I remember when he was appointed we had a number of very winnable home fixtures coming up, just like Palace had this season when 'Woy' came in and they won 3 in a row. We won the first one against Huddersfield but didn't manage another win until the final day of the season when we were already relegated and played also already relegated Swansea.
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Post by Gods on May 6, 2023 10:28:36 GMT
Words fail me “Paul greatly impressed us with his knowledge of our squad and had a clear plan of how he would improve our results,” said chairman Peter Coates. Like father like son “comical” It's all coming back to me. Lambert turned up for the interview with a PPT presentation and a slide on each of our players. Impressed the pants off our owners. To be honest when you have 4 months to try to dig a team out of trouble you're probably best to just wing it and go off your instinct IMHO !
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Post by FullerMagic on May 6, 2023 10:39:05 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 6, 2023 10:40:31 GMT
I still think we’d have stayed up if we’d had kept Hughes. Lambert was that bad.
Total hindsight but he’d had got a few wins.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 6, 2023 10:47:59 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on May 6, 2023 10:56:57 GMT
Your meltdown was epic. I think we spent two whole days convincing each other it wasn't happening...
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 11:58:05 GMT
I am not getting the hatred for Lambert either
Took an absolute dog shit team and made them slightly more organized and hard working.
His forwards included an unfit saido ' where the drugs , party,girls ' berahino . A man so deluded he thought he could piss the premier League without even bothering to be fit . In his own head , Barcelona A list , simply had to turn up, to walk the premier League.
Jesse ' I have to be given compassionate leave to fly back to Spain to be at my sick young childs bedside/ oh dear I seem to have accidentally flown to the Balearic Islands and am shacked up with some model, getting paid a 100 grand a week by PSG / Stoke for nobbing her / not bad work if you can get it Rodriguez And heart in the right place, lost all confidence couldn't hit a barn door at 5 paces Diof
A very tall order to get that lot to give man city , Liverpool etc the run around.
Lambert is a proper football man , who in his finest hour as a player, marked zinadine Zidane out of the game, and set up the opening goal to win the European cup And in his finest hour as a manager won back to back promotions with Norwich to take them from league one to the prem ( and keep them their ) . That's not bad going in anybody's book.
He failed because a fair chunk of the players at the club, were here purely for the money and had no intention whatsoever of applying themselves for ninety minutes in the manner Lambert himself did as a player. He instantly fell out with the players, who were too mentally brittle , lazy and arrogant to put a shift in. And there were not enough players in general and certainly not enough forwards and goalscorers in those that remained.
We had an awful lot of players on the books, not interested in listening to bloke who won back to back promotions at Norwich and was rated by both Zidane and Roy Keane as one of the toughest opponents they faced .
Will be interesting to see what those players go on to achieve in the game compared to Lambert.
In hindsight, January should have seen another manager ( not Lambert) and different strikers ( not berahino/ Jesse /diouf )
But let's not kid ourselves into believing Lambert is a football numpty , who wouldn't have stood a lot more chance with better players
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 6, 2023 12:00:33 GMT
I am not getting the hatred for Lambert either Took an absolute dog shit team and made them slightly more organized and hard working. His forwards included an unfit saido ' where the drugs , party,girls ' berahino . A man so deluded he thought he could piss the premier League without even bothering to be fit . In his own head , Barcelona A list , simply had to turn up, to walk the premier League. Jesse ' I have to be given compassionate leave to fly back to Spain to be at my sick young childs bedside/ oh dear I seem to have accidentally flown to the Balearic Islands and am shacked up with some model, getting paid a 100 grand a week by PSG / Stoke for nobbing her / not bad work if you can get it Rodriguez And heart in the right place, lost all confidence couldn't hit a barn door at 5 paces Diof A very tall order to get that lot to give man city , Liverpool etc the run around. Lambert is a proper football man , who in his finest hour as a player, marked zinadine Zidane out of the game, and set up the opening goal to win the European cup And in his finest hour as a manager won back to back promotions with Norwich to take them from league one to the prem ( and keep them their ) . That's not bad going in anybody's book. He failed because a fair chunk of the players at the club, were here purely for the money and had no intention whatsoever of applying themselves for ninety minutes in the manner Lambert himself did as a player. He instantly fell out with the players, who were too mentally brittle , lazy and arrogant to put a shift in. And there were not enough players in general and certainly not enough forwards and goalscorers in those that remained. We had an awful lot of players on the books, not interested in listening to bloke who won back to back promotions at Norwich and was rated by both Zidane and Roy Keane as one of the toughest opponents they faced . Will be interesting to see what those players go on to achieve in the game compared to Lambert. In hindsight, January should have seen another manager ( not Lambert) and different strikers ( not berahino/ Jesse /diouf ) But let's not kid ourselves into believing Lambert is a football numpty , who wouldn't have stood a lot more chance with better players He made us worse. He was an absolute clown.
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Post by milky on May 6, 2023 12:16:46 GMT
What did the board see on Lambert's CV to convince them? I was surprised to see that other than taking Norwich up to the Prem from L1 in successive seasons, his record was average at the very best. At Villa he even managed to lose to League 2 Bradford in a two-leg League Cup semi. There must have been a better option somewhere. He was cheap and available and the owners haven’t got the imagination to look beyond the end of their noses. He also said he could name about 6 of our players if I remember right which must have swung if for him. The decision that arguably signed,sealed and delivered relegation.
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