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Post by georgeberrysafro on May 4, 2023 18:24:42 GMT
Surely there’s a few coming off the wage bill though. Jagielka, Powell, Gayle, Clucas jump out straight away Gayle signed for 2 years didn't he?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 4, 2023 18:25:29 GMT
Surely there’s a few coming off the wage bill though. Jagielka, Powell, Gayle, Clucas jump out straight away We're stuck with Gayle for another season aren't we? Can't see anyone daft enough to take him off us. Wishful thinking on my part admittedly
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 4, 2023 18:25:52 GMT
Surely there’s a few coming off the wage bill though. Jagielka, Powell, Gayle, Clucas jump out straight away Gayle signed for 2 years didn't he? He did unfortunately, missed that
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Post by FullerMagic on May 4, 2023 18:26:11 GMT
Surely there’s a few coming off the wage bill though. Jagielka, Powell, Gayle, Clucas jump out straight away Yeah - Powell will make a difference. Would imagine the pre-Covid contract he signed on summer 2019 wages will go a very long way in summer 2023. Didn't Clucas basically cut his wages significantly - but extend his contract by 12 months. It will still be a significant bit of room created though. I think MON claimed Jagielka was on one of the lowest wages in the squad, and was basically just carrying on playing because he enjoyed it and not because we were paying him a big wage. But every little helps. If we could get rid of Gayle, that'd be huge, but hard to see how. Mind you, when you look at the perceived financial state of teams in this league, even a modest spend-up will really differentiate us from the bulk of the league this summer. Even West Brom seem to be in the shit. Can only really see maybe Bristol City and Sunderland, and definitely Hull and Ipswich throwing much around. Of the parachuters, maybe Watford and Norwich will be competitive, but they don't seem to be set for anything extravagant. Southampton, Everton, Leeds, Forest should all be challenging, but you never know what state they're going to be in. At least a couple of them could be in a mess.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 4, 2023 18:28:50 GMT
Surely there’s a few coming off the wage bill though. Jagielka, Powell, Gayle, Clucas jump out straight away Yeah - Powell will make a difference. Would imagine the pre-Covid contract he signed on summer 2019 wages will go a very long way in summer 2023. Didn't Clucas basically cut his wages significantly - but extend his contract by 12 months. It will still be a significant bit of room created though. I think MON claimed Jagielka was on one of the lowest wages in the squad, and was basically just carrying on playing because he enjoyed it and not because we were paying him a big wage. But every little helps. If we could get rid of Gayle, that'd be huge, but hard to see how. Mind you, when you look at the perceived financial state of teams in this league, even a modest spend-up will really differentiate us from the bulk of the league this summer. Even West Brom seem to be in the shit. Can only really see maybe Bristol City and Sunderland, and definitely Hull and Ipswich throwing much around. Of the parachuters, maybe Watford and Norwich will be competitive, but they don't seem to be set for anything extravagant. Southampton, Everton, Leeds, Forest should all be challenging, but you never know what state they're going to be in. At least a couple of them could be in a mess. Absolutely, we can pontificate all we want but none of us really know. I’m happy to just concentrate what we do in the summer and not worry about the others. Solid recruitment and it won’t matter what the others do🤞🏻
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 4, 2023 18:28:50 GMT
Surely there’s a few coming off the wage bill though. Jagielka, Powell, Gayle, Clucas jump out straight away Yeah - Powell will make a difference. Would imagine the pre-Covid contract he signed on summer 2019 wages will go a very long way in summer 2023. Didn't Clucas basically cut his wages significantly - but extend his contract by 12 months. It will still be a significant bit of room created though. I think MON claimed Jagielka was on one of the lowest wages in the squad, and was basically just carrying on playing because he enjoyed it and not because we were paying him a big wage. But every little helps. If we could get rid of Gayle, that'd be huge, but hard to see how. Mind you, when you look at the perceived financial state of teams in this league, even a modest spend-up will really differentiate us from the bulk of the league this summer. Even West Brom seem to be in the shit. Can only really see maybe Bristol City and Sunderland, and definitely Hull and Ipswich throwing much around. Of the parachuters, maybe Watford and Norwich will be competitive, but they don't seem to be set for anything extravagant. Southampton, Everton, Leeds, Forest should all be challenging, but you never know what state they're going to be in. At least a couple of them could be in a mess. Don't forget Leicester, I think they'd be well equipped to go back up and would be able to generate spends.......
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 4, 2023 18:29:59 GMT
Yeah - Powell will make a difference. Would imagine the pre-Covid contract he signed on summer 2019 wages will go a very long way in summer 2023. Didn't Clucas basically cut his wages significantly - but extend his contract by 12 months. It will still be a significant bit of room created though. I think MON claimed Jagielka was on one of the lowest wages in the squad, and was basically just carrying on playing because he enjoyed it and not because we were paying him a big wage. But every little helps. If we could get rid of Gayle, that'd be huge, but hard to see how. Mind you, when you look at the perceived financial state of teams in this league, even a modest spend-up will really differentiate us from the bulk of the league this summer. Even West Brom seem to be in the shit. Can only really see maybe Bristol City and Sunderland, and definitely Hull and Ipswich throwing much around. Of the parachuters, maybe Watford and Norwich will be competitive, but they don't seem to be set for anything extravagant. Southampton, Everton, Leeds, Forest should all be challenging, but you never know what state they're going to be in. At least a couple of them could be in a mess. Don't forget Leicester, I think they'd be well equipped to go back up and would be able to generate spends....... I think Leicester will be the unlucky ones, fancy Everton to do something as I’m sure you do with your links to the club
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Post by bolders on May 4, 2023 18:42:15 GMT
Dwight Gayle £37,000 Sam Clucas £23,000 Nick Powell £19,000 Aden Flint £13,000 Morgan Fox £9,000 Frank Fielding £4,300 Phil Jagielka £3,800 Jack Bonham £2,100
Tom Edwards £5,400 Josh Tymon £10,000
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Post by palerider on May 4, 2023 18:45:57 GMT
Aren’t Everton in financial shit creek,if so would probably have to significantly cut their squad,
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Post by FullerMagic on May 4, 2023 18:46:25 GMT
Dwight Gayle £37,000 Sam Clucas £23,000 Nick Powell £19,000 Aden Flint £13,000 Morgan Fox £9,000 Frank Fielding £4,300 Phil Jagielka £3,800 Jack Bonham £2,100 Tom Edwards £5,400 Josh Tymon £10,000 To be fair, though, any figures listed on the internet are complete guesswork, aren't they? Whole websites just make educated guesses. Nobody actually knows.
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Post by palerider on May 4, 2023 18:48:03 GMT
If Leicester come down it must be written in law that those happy clappers are banned
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Post by bolders on May 4, 2023 19:04:14 GMT
Dwight Gayle £37,000 Sam Clucas £23,000 Nick Powell £19,000 Aden Flint £13,000 Morgan Fox £9,000 Frank Fielding £4,300 Phil Jagielka £3,800 Jack Bonham £2,100 Tom Edwards £5,400 Josh Tymon £10,000 To be fair, though, any figures listed on the internet are complete guesswork, aren't they? Whole websites just make educated guesses. Nobody actually knows. yeah but when you look at a few and they give around the same amount they are roughly in the ballpark
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Post by Veritas on May 4, 2023 19:06:09 GMT
I can't wait. Gets me away from all this Coronation bollocks........ There is always that, we have got the scrabble out
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Post by fraybentos on May 4, 2023 19:13:24 GMT
That was a great press conference, I don't know what it is about Alex, he certainly can talk. Im back on the fence
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Post by pretzel on May 4, 2023 19:18:18 GMT
I thought Ange's suggestion of using 'a dead rubber' to 'erase a 4-0 defeat' was a work of genius
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Post by ashleyscfc on May 4, 2023 20:12:00 GMT
The worrying part about is not prioritising a goalscorer worries me.
Stoke has always lacked goalscorers, we’re one of the lowest scoring teams in league history for 20+ goal scorers.
The idea Emre or Lowe are the answer at this point is madness.
We don’t believe we can hurt a team going one behind, this has to change. And the only way is scoring goals.
A 20 goal a season goalscorer would be exactly what we’d need
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Post by theonlooker on May 4, 2023 20:16:28 GMT
How the story changes.
"Promotion this season or next"
"It's going to be an exciting summer"
"We have to use our budget wisely. It's going to be difficult"
Full of shit.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 20:23:11 GMT
Dwight Gayle £37,000 Sam Clucas £23,000 Nick Powell £19,000 Aden Flint £13,000 Morgan Fox £9,000 Frank Fielding £4,300 Phil Jagielka £3,800 Jack Bonham £2,100 Tom Edwards £5,400 Josh Tymon £10,000 To be fair, though, any figures listed on the internet are complete guesswork, aren't they? Whole websites just make educated guesses. Nobody actually knows. I think it's fair to say though that letting Clucas and Powell go definitely frees up a good chunk of wages. Enough in the present climate to sign a couple of high end Champo players wage wise.
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Post by willieeetmiout on May 4, 2023 20:59:44 GMT
Do you understand fans' frustration about this season? Neil: "Of course. The fact is we didn't purchase any players this season; we didn't purchase any players last summer, we didn't purchase any players in January. We had FFP to resolve, we've got seven players in the building. That isn't normal. We need to understand that where we found ourselves at parts of this season is not a normal scenario. What you normally want is a bulk of your own players and a couple of loans which you wouldn't be eable to afford. "I understand the frustration. The club spent 10 years in the Premier League but has spent the last five in the last eight or 10 in the Championship. The expectation comes down each year and people get fed up and frustrated and that's where fans have been. "All we can say now is that come the summer we've got an opportunity to put building blocks in place rather than continuing the slump we've been on for a number of seasons. What advice would you give yourself when you arrived in August? Neil: "I'm not sure. You go into a club with an understanding about environment but you never really know until you're in the building and then dynamics change through a season, form changes, players available change, the transfer window changes things, FFP changes things. "But I didn't expect an easy job. It's not a coincidence that the club has been where it's been for five seasons and bearing in mind this has been our lowest budget this year compared to the previous four. We've had to downscale coming down from the Premier League and those first two seasons are the best chance to get back up. If you don't, it becomes more difficut. "What we need to do now is rebuild and we've got the first opportunity to do that this summer. I knew coming here I wasn't expecting us to go boom, boom, boom - I was hoping that would be the case and I could get enough to make sure we do better than we have done, unfortunately that's not been the case. "In the summer we've got an opportunity to set wheels in motion and hope that next season will be a lot better." Has this been a transitional season? Neil: "I would say so. I would probably argue we've been transitional for two or three seasons because of restrictions. If Michael was sat here he'd probably say the same thing. I met Michael at a game recently and we had a really good chat. Things don't change! It felt like I'd written him a script and he'd read it back to me, with his views on certain things. Problems don't go away overnight, you have to see them through and rebuild from it. That's where we currerntly are. "I didn't expect to come here and for things to fly through the roof. There were always going to be issues why it hasn't been the case for a number of years - but we can't keep harping on about that, it's done. "Come the end of this season, that chapter is closed and it's what we do next. I'll be judged on that and I'm fine with that." It sounds like you're planning to rebuild the side almost from scratch? Neil: "I don't think that's fair becausee there will be players who are currently here who will be a big part of it. What I'm saying is though is that for the first time in a few seasons we will have some transfer money we can dip into and there will be natural slots opening up. Sometimes when you come to the end of a season there might be only two players who move on, this time... for talking's sake let's say none of the seven loans come back, that's seven to replace just to stand still. Take out the lads who are out of contract and that's a massive job for any team in itself "If any of the lads who are out of contract happen to leave, that seven goes to nine or 10. That's nearly half your squad and it's a massive overhaul at any level." Are you looking forward to it? Neil: "That's what I'm here for. I'm looking forward to it. I've got enough experience, I know how to do it, I've done it before, I need to do it again." He seems to be very good at avoiding what a shit job he has done. Lose at Watford and he has overseen our worst points haul since relegation, with us technically (ignoring Readings points deduction) being a win and a draw off relegation.
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2023 21:03:57 GMT
Do you understand fans' frustration about this season? Neil: "Of course. The fact is we didn't purchase any players this season; we didn't purchase any players last summer, we didn't purchase any players in January. We had FFP to resolve, we've got seven players in the building. That isn't normal. We need to understand that where we found ourselves at parts of this season is not a normal scenario. What you normally want is a bulk of your own players and a couple of loans which you wouldn't be eable to afford. "I understand the frustration. The club spent 10 years in the Premier League but has spent the last five in the last eight or 10 in the Championship. The expectation comes down each year and people get fed up and frustrated and that's where fans have been. "All we can say now is that come the summer we've got an opportunity to put building blocks in place rather than continuing the slump we've been on for a number of seasons. What advice would you give yourself when you arrived in August? Neil: "I'm not sure. You go into a club with an understanding about environment but you never really know until you're in the building and then dynamics change through a season, form changes, players available change, the transfer window changes things, FFP changes things. "But I didn't expect an easy job. It's not a coincidence that the club has been where it's been for five seasons and bearing in mind this has been our lowest budget this year compared to the previous four. We've had to downscale coming down from the Premier League and those first two seasons are the best chance to get back up. If you don't, it becomes more difficut. "What we need to do now is rebuild and we've got the first opportunity to do that this summer. I knew coming here I wasn't expecting us to go boom, boom, boom - I was hoping that would be the case and I could get enough to make sure we do better than we have done, unfortunately that's not been the case. "In the summer we've got an opportunity to set wheels in motion and hope that next season will be a lot better." Has this been a transitional season? Neil: "I would say so. I would probably argue we've been transitional for two or three seasons because of restrictions. If Michael was sat here he'd probably say the same thing. I met Michael at a game recently and we had a really good chat. Things don't change! It felt like I'd written him a script and he'd read it back to me, with his views on certain things. Problems don't go away overnight, you have to see them through and rebuild from it. That's where we currerntly are. "I didn't expect to come here and for things to fly through the roof. There were always going to be issues why it hasn't been the case for a number of years - but we can't keep harping on about that, it's done. "Come the end of this season, that chapter is closed and it's what we do next. I'll be judged on that and I'm fine with that." It sounds like you're planning to rebuild the side almost from scratch? Neil: "I don't think that's fair becausee there will be players who are currently here who will be a big part of it. What I'm saying is though is that for the first time in a few seasons we will have some transfer money we can dip into and there will be natural slots opening up. Sometimes when you come to the end of a season there might be only two players who move on, this time... for talking's sake let's say none of the seven loans come back, that's seven to replace just to stand still. Take out the lads who are out of contract and that's a massive job for any team in itself "If any of the lads who are out of contract happen to leave, that seven goes to nine or 10. That's nearly half your squad and it's a massive overhaul at any level." Are you looking forward to it? Neil: "That's what I'm here for. I'm looking forward to it. I've got enough experience, I know how to do it, I've done it before, I need to do it again." He seems to be very good at avoiding what a shit job he has done. Lose at Watford and he has overseen our worst points haul since relegation, with us technically (ignoring Readings points deduction) being a win and a draw off relegation. That is true but so is everything he said it's a strange scenario
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Post by independent on May 4, 2023 21:25:47 GMT
Dwight Gayle £37,000 Sam Clucas £23,000 Nick Powell £19,000 Aden Flint £13,000 Morgan Fox £9,000 Frank Fielding £4,300 Phil Jagielka £3,800 Jack Bonham £2,100 Tom Edwards £5,400 Josh Tymon £10,000 It's anybody's guess but I'd reckon, Gayle, Clucas and Flint have never got paid that much. I reckon Powell could be on 25k.
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Post by bolders on May 4, 2023 21:28:25 GMT
Dwight Gayle £37,000 Sam Clucas £23,000 Nick Powell £19,000 Aden Flint £13,000 Morgan Fox £9,000 Frank Fielding £4,300 Phil Jagielka £3,800 Jack Bonham £2,100 Tom Edwards £5,400 Josh Tymon £10,000 It's anybody's guess but I'd reckon, Gayle, Clucas and Flint have never got paid that much. I reckon Powell could be on 25k. It’s on record that Gayle was on £80k at castle and they paid him off so he could come here and take a lower wage.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 4, 2023 21:31:42 GMT
It's anybody's guess but I'd reckon, Gayle, Clucas and Flint have never got paid that much. I reckon Powell could be on 25k. It’s on record that Gayle was on £80k at castle and they paid him off so he could come here and take a lower wage. Gayle’s reportedly on £20k a week, which is still a hefty outlay. Mental signing, one of the last nails in MON’s coffin.
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Post by independent on May 4, 2023 21:37:32 GMT
I dnn't really care what he says. He has a wonderful opportunity that very few managers get in their career. He has places to fill & money to spend at a time when most clubs are broke. A lot of clubs will lose some of their better players without any financial compensation due to players running down their contracts. The time for excuses is over. He'll never have a better chance to show what he can do. We just have to hope for the best.
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Post by chigstoke on May 4, 2023 21:47:24 GMT
Surely there’s a few coming off the wage bill though. Jagielka, Powell, Gayle, Clucas jump out straight away Yeah - Powell will make a difference. Would imagine the pre-Covid contract he signed on summer 2019 wages will go a very long way in summer 2023. Didn't Clucas basically cut his wages significantly - but extend his contract by 12 months. It will still be a significant bit of room created though. I think MON claimed Jagielka was on one of the lowest wages in the squad, and was basically just carrying on playing because he enjoyed it and not because we were paying him a big wage. But every little helps. If we could get rid of Gayle, that'd be huge, but hard to see how. Mind you, when you look at the perceived financial state of teams in this league, even a modest spend-up will really differentiate us from the bulk of the league this summer. Even West Brom seem to be in the shit. Can only really see maybe Bristol City and Sunderland, and definitely Hull and Ipswich throwing much around. Of the parachuters, maybe Watford and Norwich will be competitive, but they don't seem to be set for anything extravagant. Southampton, Everton, Leeds, Forest should all be challenging, but you never know what state they're going to be in. At least a couple of them could be in a mess. It feels somewhat surreal to me that we can legitimately throw Everton into consideration in a list of potentially relegated clubs to challenge for the Championship.
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Post by smallthorner on May 4, 2023 21:50:00 GMT
It was only a few weeks ago he and Ricky Martin said our budget would be "massively competitive" next season... www.stokecityfc.com/news/2023/may/04/press-conference-watford/About 7 mins in... He does say "our budget, in its entirety, will be competitive - but that's for wages and fees, and the budget doesn't stretch that far when we've got so many spaces to fill" Yeh.. it's getting less every week that goes .. Reckon we're in for a mid to lower table slog again with a pick n mix variety of loans, what we've got and a sprinkling of senior journeymen.
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Post by greenhoff on May 4, 2023 22:08:41 GMT
That was a great press conference, I don't know what it is about Alex, he certainly can talk. Im back on the fence He can talk for sure. However he's done bugger all to back it up since he's been here.
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Post by biddulphchav on May 5, 2023 0:27:35 GMT
Like most Scots, he talks a good game. Going into next season he can have zero excuses, he’s got the chance (and the money) to shape his own squad. But it sounds to me like he’s already preparing his excuses of ‘it’s a massive overhaul at any level / it will take time to gel’. I don’t buy it. For me if we are still playing this absolute garbage particularly at home 10 games into next season he needs to go.
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Post by tosh on May 5, 2023 7:52:00 GMT
Like most Scots, he talks a good game. Going into next season he can have zero excuses, he’s got the chance (and the money) to shape his own squad. But it sounds to me like he’s already preparing his excuses of ‘it’s a massive overhaul at any level / it will take time to gel’. I don’t buy it. For me if we are still playing this absolute garbage particularly at home 10 games into next season he needs to go. But the scary problem would be that the budget will have been spent and the the squad will be full of his newly contracted signings. Let’s hope it works out!
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Post by theonlooker on May 5, 2023 8:02:05 GMT
Like most Scots, he talks a good game. Going into next season he can have zero excuses, he’s got the chance (and the money) to shape his own squad. But it sounds to me like he’s already preparing his excuses of ‘it’s a massive overhaul at any level / it will take time to gel’. I don’t buy it. For me if we are still playing this absolute garbage particularly at home 10 games into next season he needs to go. That last line reads scarily similar to how the club has been run for the last 5/6 years. It's been proven to fail. We either need to sack him now or stick with him longer term regardless. We cannot keep lurching from one Coates lucky dip to another with a rebuild each time. It's killing the club from the inside out.
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