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Post by nottsover60 on May 4, 2023 13:06:31 GMT
Are we being cute with Tuanzebe in that why risk him now, get him fit and ready for pre-season? Is his injury a recurrence of his back problems or something new? It's all very cloak and dagger. Hope so. I have had the same thought but then I think why wouldn't you risk trying him for a run of games while he's someone else's? Better him getting injured this season while we have no commitment than signing him on good wages (which he will want) then him breaking down in August, out for the rest of the season.
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Post by Squeekster on May 4, 2023 13:13:24 GMT
Are we being cute with Tuanzebe in that why risk him now, get him fit and ready for pre-season? Is his injury a recurrence of his back problems or something new? It's all very cloak and dagger. Hope so. I have had the same thought but then I think why wouldn't you risk trying him for a run of games while he's someone else's? Better him getting injured this season while we have no commitment than signing him on good wages (which he will want) then him breaking down in August, out for the rest of the season. If he signs for us he'll be our player, he's out of contract in the summer and utd are not taking up the extra year option.
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Post by stokeyank on May 4, 2023 14:08:14 GMT
Can we at least get his name spelled correctly in the thread title?
If (and it's a big IF), he signs and can stay mostly healthy we will have the best defender in the division. Probably worth that risk if we can structure the contract correctly.
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Post by professorplump on May 4, 2023 15:15:31 GMT
If we could get 20-25 games a season from Tuanzebe then he would definitely be worth signing however it would be a gamble as he might only manage about 5.
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Post by gawa on May 4, 2023 16:32:35 GMT
What sort of wages would he be looking? Is he not already on 50k a week? Can't imagine him coming cheap if he's on a free.
Wonder if other clubs like Boro would be looking at him too if they don't get promoted? I say Boro due to the Carrick connection.
I think it's a gamble as can see him still getting 20-30k a week on wages.
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Post by stokecitytalke on May 4, 2023 16:55:21 GMT
Can we at least get his name spelled correctly in the thread title? If (and it's a big IF), he signs and can stay mostly healthy we will have the best defender in the division. Probably worth that risk if we can structure the contract correctly. It's all the right letters, but not necessarily in the right order! 😁
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Post by nottsover60 on May 4, 2023 17:34:19 GMT
Hope so. I have had the same thought but then I think why wouldn't you risk trying him for a run of games while he's someone else's? Better him getting injured this season while we have no commitment than signing him on good wages (which he will want) then him breaking down in August, out for the rest of the season. If he signs for us he'll be our player, he's out of contract in the summer and utd are not taking up the extra year option. I know all that but my post was in reply to a suggestion that we might not playing him so that he can get fit for next season because he is going to sign for us. I'm saying that is a big risk, you are better playing him now, and seeing if he can play a decent number of games. With his injury record over the past two seasons if we are signing him it will be a high risk as his wage demands won't be cheap and he could well play the first six games and then be out injured for the rest of the season. You don't get to judge a player's fitness by not playing him.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 4, 2023 17:37:05 GMT
Are we being cute with Tuanzebe in that why risk him now, get him fit and ready for pre-season? Is his injury a recurrence of his back problems or something new? It's all very cloak and dagger. Maybe that dagger is in his back?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 4, 2023 17:43:36 GMT
If he signs for us he'll be our player, he's out of contract in the summer and utd are not taking up the extra year option. I know all that but my post was in reply to a suggestion that we might not playing him so that he can get fit for next season because he is going to sign for us. I'm saying that is a big risk, you are better playing him now, and seeing if he can play a decent number of games. With his injury record over the past two seasons if we are signing him it will be a high risk as his wage demands won't be cheap and he could well play the first six games and then be out injured for the rest of the season. You don't get to judge a player's fitness by not playing him. The thing is though mate none of us knows the precise details of his injury. The back injury might be totally cleared up. It might be just niggling little injuries you can get when coming back after a long lay off. If that's the case why risk him in dead rubbers when we're safe and therefore risk the chance of him making those minor niggles much more serious potentially missing pre season. Get him training, get his fitness up, wrap him in cotton wool, sign him up and give him a full pre season. It could be that simple but whatever it is I'm sure the club will have all the data regarding his injury situation.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 18:31:33 GMT
I really can't see anyone offering him big wages. He may have to take a low basic with big bonuses based on appearances.
If we could stucture something like that he could be worth the gamble.
I think we have to trust the medical staff on this one. At least we have the inside track.
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Post by greenhoff on May 4, 2023 18:42:12 GMT
He's 25 years old and has played 60 odd games.
He makes Nick Powell look robust. We should be no where near this.
Doesnt matter how good he is if he's sat in the stands.
We have to learn from past mistakes
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Post by milky on May 4, 2023 18:52:12 GMT
Remember when we signed a bloke with dodgy knees who allegedly couldn't pass a conventional medical.
How did that turn out again?
Basically any signing is a risk .
Some come off ,others don't.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 4, 2023 18:57:10 GMT
Remember when we signed a bloke with dodgy knees who allegedly couldn't pass a conventional medical. How did that turn out again? Basically any signing is a risk . Some come off ,others don't. This one’s a huge risk though from his previous. Way bigger than Ric.
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Post by pistol on May 4, 2023 19:04:53 GMT
We need to sign at least three centre backs this summer if we’re going to do it right. If you sign Axel as one of those three you probably need to add a fourth
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Post by iglugluk on May 4, 2023 20:22:44 GMT
Remember when we signed a bloke with dodgy knees who allegedly couldn't pass a conventional medical. How did that turn out again? Basically any signing is a risk . Some come off ,others don't. I also remember the same situation which led to us wimping out of the signing. 'Not' signing that player was also a huge mistake. As you rightly say the transfer window engenders risk.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 20:37:34 GMT
Remember when we signed a bloke with dodgy knees who allegedly couldn't pass a conventional medical. How did that turn out again? Basically any signing is a risk . Some come off ,others don't. I also remember the same situation which led to us wimping out of the signing. 'Not' signing that player was also a huge mistake. As you rightly say the transfer window engenders risk. It's whether we can afford that risk. If we already had a solid CB pairing I would say he's worth the risk but with so many signings needed I don't really think it's viable. Shame because he's clearly a level up.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 20:44:11 GMT
I'd sign him personally if able to, he's clearly a quality player... we don't have many of those.
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Post by greenhoff on May 4, 2023 20:53:40 GMT
Remember when we signed a bloke with dodgy knees who allegedly couldn't pass a conventional medical. How did that turn out again? Basically any signing is a risk . Some come off ,others don't. I also remember the same situation which led to us wimping out of the signing. 'Not' signing that player was also a huge mistake. As you rightly say the transfer window engenders risk. When you can't get insurance on a 7 million pound player it's hardly wimping out.
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Post by iglugluk on May 4, 2023 21:20:07 GMT
I also remember the same situation which led to us wimping out of the signing. 'Not' signing that player was also a huge mistake. As you rightly say the transfer window engenders risk. When you can't get insurance on a 7 million pound player it's hardly wimping out. Maybe not.. but it was a mistake. Demba-Ba turned out to be brilliant and our gambling company resourced owners got the odds wrong on that particular occasion.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 4, 2023 21:52:26 GMT
Crazy if we sign him on a big deal
He’ll never play consistently again
Once your back goes it never fully recovers
Madness unless we sign on a pay per play basis
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Post by independent on May 4, 2023 22:02:54 GMT
Anyone who thinks that we are in a position to gamble on a guy that Man Utd know everything about and are letting go is either very brave or very stupid. Why would we risk money we can ill afford on a player who would be unlikely to play even 20 games next season. AN took a chance in January and we have all seen the results. For the first time in 3 years we have some money to spend, the last thing we need to do is piss it away again.
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2023 22:04:12 GMT
When you can't get insurance on a 7 million pound player it's hardly wimping out. Maybe not.. but it was a mistake. Demba-Ba turned out to be brilliant and our gambling company resourced owners got the odds wrong on that particular occasion. What they got wrong was not renegotiating the deal West Ham didn't pay £7m,they paid £500k up front and £500k every so many games
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Post by iglugluk on May 4, 2023 22:34:04 GMT
Maybe not.. but it was a mistake. Demba-Ba turned out to be brilliant and our gambling company resourced owners got the odds wrong on that particular occasion. What they got wrong was not renegotiating the deal West Ham didn't pay £7m,they paid £500k up front and £500k every so many games Absolutely, correctly structuring any deal is important.
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Post by idle on May 5, 2023 5:56:12 GMT
He's 25 years old and has played 60 odd games. He makes Nick Powell look robust. We should be no where near this. Doesnt matter how good he is if he's sat in the stands. We have to learn from past mistakes So Pulis shouldn't have signed "glass-knee" Fuller then? Fact is we don't know if he'll play 0 or 50 games if we sign him. Every player is a risk, though he's of course at greater risk than a player who's never been injured. It's the contract that matters.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 5, 2023 6:35:21 GMT
We replaced our best player and best centre half with someone who has played twice in 3 months. Sums the club up. 'Best player' was an extremely low bar though. Imo, we had Leicester's pants down with the fee, which was influenced by the Collins fee, that went before it. It's a definite possibility that Souttar could find himself on the bench of a Championship club next season. He wasn't the Baresi/Beckenbauer love child that some people made him out to be. Tuanzebe, hasn't worked out. The intention was there. He's the best Centre Half in the division. Injuries will hold his career back. But he's a much better player than Souttar. In the end, keeping Souttar and not signing Tuanzebe, wouldn't have made the slightest difference to the outcome of the season, and, it's got us financially in a better place.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 5, 2023 6:37:28 GMT
Say he played 20/25 games, we could get more pts in those games than without him. Even if we got 10/12 more than without him, they could be vital, whichever end of the table we finish.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 5, 2023 6:41:39 GMT
From Wikipedia.
"In July 2018, he broke the Guinness World Record for the fastest time to individually clear a game of Hungry Hungry Hippos, while in Los Angeles on Manchester United's pre-season tour."
For that lone we must sign him. Mind you Pottermous must be shitting himself.
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Post by clarkeda on May 5, 2023 7:46:26 GMT
No argument on the last point. Fox is my POTS. But he's not going to get better. Wilmot might. 1 GK, 1 CB, 1 RB, 1 LB, 1 DM, 1AM, 2 wingers, 1 target man is ahead of the 2nd CB for me. On the other hand we need all of that and more to even have a squad, so maybe we can afford two good CB. I suspect it'll be a freebie though I think that's pretty damning though re Fox. 2 GK 1 RB 2 CB 1 LB 2 CM 1 AM 2 wingers 1 ST All equally important for me. And yes I want 10 new starters Who’s your last man standing?
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Post by wilcopotter on May 5, 2023 7:48:20 GMT
From Wikipedia. "In July 2018, he broke the Guinness World Record for the fastest time to individually clear a game of Hungry Hungry Hippos, while in Los Angeles on Manchester United's pre-season tour." For that lone we must sign him. Mind you Pottermous must be shitting himself. Perhaps that’s how he done his back in🤔
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Post by Bera’s Beano on May 5, 2023 9:05:36 GMT
Our business in January really was dreadful. We got away with it which sadly means we'll try a similar three card trick in the summer where we'll probably not get away with it again. It's the same trick we've been trying and failing with since the last few years in the PL. Our business in January was superb. Just because we’ve lost a few dead rubbers is no need for desperation. They weren't dead rubbers though. After the Coventry game, we were still outsiders for the play offs, but had we won the next couple we'd have actually been within a few points of the play offs and a feel good factor could have possibly carried us on to a late push. The last couple have become dead rubbers because we've been absolutely shite for 80% of the season before and after a small batch of games where we beat some of the better teams in the league. Aside from Pearson, our January window was a farce, albeit the injury to Sarkic was unfortunate, but I can't say I rated him very hihgly before that either.
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