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Post by werrington on Apr 19, 2023 11:25:13 GMT
And seriously what would you expect him to say in answer to those questions?….Do you honestly think he would then throw players under the bus? He’d be an appalling manager or even worse man manager if he replies to that question with “they now have no more chances as they were shit” I mean cmon They have plenty of media training, he needn't throw anyone under a bus. Journalists should ask questions that reflect views of the fanbase. Those two questions above are perfectly reasonable and certainly reflects my feelings about last night, although they could be worded less aggressively. I never said they weren’t My point is the answers any manager would then return back to that type of questioning
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 19, 2023 11:25:13 GMT
Most people would respond in the way you have done, but that doesn't mean that it's always true. It is 99% of the time. I’d say 99.9999% of the time , but also if you don’t ask you don’t get 😁😂
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Post by magwitch on Apr 19, 2023 11:34:01 GMT
I’d say 99.9999% of the time , but also if you don’t ask you don’t get 😁😂 EXACTLY!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 19, 2023 11:39:22 GMT
I’d say 99.9999% of the time , but also if you don’t ask you don’t get 😁😂 EXACTLY! Why not hang on for Klopp then? Should we be on the phone if he goes as well? If you don't ask, you don't get!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 19, 2023 11:40:15 GMT
Ange manages to ask Alex Neil tough questions in the pre match press conferences so it’s utter bollocks for me that you can’t ask him tougher questions post game.As I’ve said on numerous occasions other Local BBC stations manage to do this without being banned from the ground,it’s just basic football journalism which sadly BBC Radio Stoke lack in abundance What's happened to these recently? Seems to be a cosy in-house chat now or they are streamed somewhere else now and I've missed them.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 19, 2023 12:04:04 GMT
They have plenty of media training, he needn't throw anyone under a bus. Journalists should ask questions that reflect views of the fanbase. Those two questions above are perfectly reasonable and certainly reflects my feelings about last night, although they could be worded less aggressively. I never said they weren’t My point is the answers any manager would then return back to that type of questioning I wouldn't expect AN to be blunt about the players, but my questions would hopefully give less wriggle room for Neil to be economical with the truth and provide some insight as to what he thinks. A good journalist asks questions that are passive on the outside but worded in a way to understand the issues. I actually consciously tried to make them sound non-confrontational but Pugsley thought they still came across as needley, which shows how much media training I've had!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 19, 2023 12:54:41 GMT
Ange manages to ask Alex Neil tough questions in the pre match press conferences so it’s utter bollocks for me that you can’t ask him tougher questions post game.As I’ve said on numerous occasions other Local BBC stations manage to do this without being banned from the ground,it’s just basic football journalism which sadly BBC Radio Stoke lack in abundance What's happened to these recently? Seems to be a cosy in-house chat now or they are streamed somewhere else now and I've missed them. From my understanding the club seem to want to get away from the press conference video they put out after the presser and just show the cosy in house chat they have with the manager. George Andrews and Dave Lee’s contribution/questions are cut out most weeks but I can’t say I blame them from those 2 clowns
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 19, 2023 13:03:22 GMT
Well I'd never cut it because my first question would have been open-ended along the lines of:
Hello Alex, so...can you explain, just what the hell was THAT?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 19, 2023 13:03:36 GMT
What's happened to these recently? Seems to be a cosy in-house chat now or they are streamed somewhere else now and I've missed them. From my understanding the club seem to want to get away from the press conference video they put out after the presser and just show the cosy in house chat they have with the manager. George Andrews and Dave Lee’s contribution/questions are cut out most weeks but I can’t say I blame them from those 2 clowns So is Ange still doing the pre match but it's not put out anymore do you know mate?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 19, 2023 13:08:10 GMT
From my understanding the club seem to want to get away from the press conference video they put out after the presser and just show the cosy in house chat they have with the manager. George Andrews and Dave Lee’s contribution/questions are cut out most weeks but I can’t say I blame them from those 2 clowns So is Ange still doing the pre match but it's not put out anymore do you know mate? Ange is still doing it but I’m not sure if they’re being put out or not?but they don’t seem as freely available as they were
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Post by thevoid on Apr 19, 2023 13:09:31 GMT
Why not hang on for Klopp then? Should we be on the phone if he goes as well? If you don't ask, you don't get! Not quite the same. Klopp would have a pick of quite a few big clubs (and maybe even Germany), not so much Potter. Personally I think we missed the boat on Potter but would love him here to start a project.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 19, 2023 13:14:32 GMT
So is Ange still doing the pre match but it's not put out anymore do you know mate? Ange us still doing it but I’m not sure if they’re being put out or not?but they don’t seem as freely available as they were The last "full" one on the SCFC YouTube channel was Blackburn on 9th March. The next Boro was in-house. I've seen the Knot FM tweets so someone (Ange?) must be doing them. Odd.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 19, 2023 13:15:36 GMT
Ange us still doing it but I’m not sure if they’re being put out or not?but they don’t seem as freely available as they were The last "full" one on the SCFC YouTube channel was Blackburn on 9th March. The next Boro was in-house. I've seen the Knot FM tweets so someone (Ange?) must be doing them. Odd. Yes I agree it’s all very odd of late
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Post by magwitch on Apr 19, 2023 13:30:23 GMT
[ Klopp would have a pick of quite a few big clubs (and maybe even Germany), not so much Potter.
Personally I think we missed the boat on Potter but would love him here to start a project.] [/quote]
Not to forget that Potter played more games for Stoke than any other team except York and Macclesfield, without being too dismissive about both Clubs. He even scored one for Stoke in his 45 games, despite figuring at leftback. Perhaps he still has an iota of sentimental attachment left, and he is also Staffordshire born and bred.
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Post by callas12 on Apr 19, 2023 13:45:03 GMT
After the match last night I'd of asked... "So Alex, do you have a message for the thousands of Stoke fans who'll be travelling to watch you in Cardiff on Saturday & what can you say to assure them they won't be subjected to the 90mins they've just sat through?"
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 19, 2023 14:00:59 GMT
Why not hang on for Klopp then? Should we be on the phone if he goes as well? If you don't ask, you don't get! Not quite the same. Klopp would have a pick of quite a few big clubs (and maybe even Germany), not so much Potter. Personally I think we missed the boat on Potter but would love him here to start a project. Potter isn't going to entertain a bottom half Championship club, there's still about 15 Prem clubs who'd feasibly turn to him if they needed a manager tomorrow.
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Post by skip on Apr 19, 2023 14:17:56 GMT
To be fair to Ange, in her match co-commentary she made her feelings crystal clear on the lack of quality or drive from Stoke. What do people expect her to say to Alex Neil in person? "Well that was total dog shit. Got anything to say?" Asking him what he thought of that performance doesn't exactly require a lot of decoding on his part.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 19, 2023 14:22:54 GMT
To be fair to Ange, in her match co-commentary she made her feelings crystal clear on the lack of quality or drive from Stoke. What do people expect her to say to Alex Neil in person? "Well that was total dog shit. Got anything to say?" Asking him what he thought of that performance doesn't exactly require a lot of decoding on his part. Nobody is having a go at Ange and quite rightly so,she’s the only one who challenges anything
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Apr 19, 2023 15:10:24 GMT
It's BBC radio stoke, which means its funded by us, not by Stoke City FC. They should be asking difficult questions for sure when its that bad. I know they're terrified of the club cutting them off or whatever but they're representative of the people of the area, not the club. True but the club cutting them off would be quite a big issue for a radio show meant to cover local clubs. Very true, which is why we’re in this situation. But it reflects so poorly on the club in my opinion, it shows a lack of respect for fans if they were to do that and shut Radio Stoke out.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 19, 2023 15:14:45 GMT
So you admit that what I say is true, but I do think that 1% is inaccurate, probably more like 2%. I think 1% is generous if anything. What are the comparable examples? I can think of maybe Brian Little coming to us when we were in the third tier. Rafa sticking with Newcastle in the Championship? Only 8 months earlier, he was managing CR7 at Real Madrid! Granted, they probably paid him an absolute fortune and in the event Potter could ever be remotely swayed to consider us, we'd have to do the same (which would be on top of the payoff to AN and his staff).
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Post by matelot1996 on Apr 19, 2023 15:17:36 GMT
The team work was crap. Not the individual skill of each of our players. I dont mind us playing backwards and sideways to keep possession of the ball.Playing at walking pace and quicker is fine. If the timing is right. To aid the movement of the ball. Most of the time It’s not passing back or sideways to keep possession. I believe we have coaches and players who actually think this is a modern interpretation of progressive football. It’s just not something people should be paying to watch. It’s anarchic, cowardly dross which regularly gets managers the bullet.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 19, 2023 15:17:48 GMT
I think 1% is generous if anything. What are the comparable examples? I can think of maybe Brian Little coming to us when we were in the third tier. Rafa sticking with Newcastle in the Championship? Only 8 months earlier, he was managing CR7 at Real Madrid! Granted, they probably paid him an absolute fortune and in the event Potter could ever be remotely swayed to consider us, we'd have to do the same (which would be on top of the payoff to AN and his staff). Even then, when he was appointed they were a Premier League team, as opposed to a team that hasn't finished above 14th in the Championship since 2019.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 19, 2023 15:38:43 GMT
[ Klopp would have a pick of quite a few big clubs (and maybe even Germany), not so much Potter. Personally I think we missed the boat on Potter but would love him here to start a project.] Not to forget that Potter played more games for Stoke than any other team except York and Macclesfield, without being too dismissive about both Clubs. He even scored one for Stoke in his 45 games, despite figuring at leftback. Perhaps he still has an iota of sentimental attachment left, and he is also Staffordshire born and bred.[/quote] Potter played 114 times for York, which is over two-and-a-half times more than the game he played for us. And he still played more games for Macc than for us too. I doubt his sentiment would take him to the National League any more than it would to the Championship. He was a good pro for us, but I don't think we'd be a pull on his heartstrings as such - certainly not enough to take him into the Championship. We were just another club that he played for.
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Post by jokker on Apr 19, 2023 15:41:21 GMT
Perhaps he still has an iota of sentimental attachment left If he did he would have acted upon it when he was still in Sweden and knew we needed a proper manager. His agent could have put the word out. and he'd probably still be our manager in the Champions League to this day. But he didn't.
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 19, 2023 15:41:57 GMT
[ Klopp would have a pick of quite a few big clubs (and maybe even Germany), not so much Potter. Personally I think we missed the boat on Potter but would love him here to start a project.] Not to forget that Potter played more games for Stoke than any other team except York and Macclesfield, without being too dismissive about both Clubs. He even scored one for Stoke in his 45 games, despite figuring at leftback. Perhaps he still has an iota of sentimental attachment left, and he is also Staffordshire born and bred. Potter played 114 times for York, which is over two-and-a-half times more than the game he played for us. And he still played more games for Macc than for us too. I doubt his sentiment would take him to the National League any more than it would to the Championship. He was a good pro for us, but I don't think we'd be a pull on his heartstrings as such - certainly not enough to take him into the Championship. We were just another club that he played for. [/quote] Don't be so sure of that. He was desperate come here when he went Swansea and certainly has a massive soft spot for us, we're his club. Bring him home with big Ben (diaz) before he announces his move to Spain 😂😉
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Post by jokker on Apr 19, 2023 15:42:49 GMT
Perhaps he still has an iota of sentimental attachment left If he did he would have acted upon it when he was still in Sweden and knew we needed a proper manager. His agent could have put the word out. and he'd probably still be our manager in the Champions League to this day. But he didn't. Sorry the quote is shakermaker's, not magwitch's.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 19, 2023 16:09:58 GMT
If he did he would have acted upon it when he was still in Sweden and knew we needed a proper manager. His agent could have put the word out. and he'd probably still be our manager in the Champions League to this day. But he didn't. Sorry the quote is shakermaker's, not magwitch's. The quote was magwitch's, but he somehow muddled up the quote insertions so when I responded to his post, it made his response part of mine!
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 19, 2023 16:15:51 GMT
Not to forget that Potter played more games for Stoke than any other team except York and Macclesfield, without being too dismissive about both Clubs. He even scored one for Stoke in his 45 games, despite figuring at leftback. Perhaps he still has an iota of sentimental attachment left, and he is also Staffordshire born and bred. Potter played 114 times for York, which is over two-and-a-half times more than the game he played for us. And he still played more games for Macc than for us too. I doubt his sentiment would take him to the National League any more than it would to the Championship. He was a good pro for us, but I don't think we'd be a pull on his heartstrings as such - certainly not enough to take him into the Championship. We were just another club that he played for. Don't be so sure of that. He was desperate come here when he went Swansea and certainly has a massive soft spot for us, we're his club. Bring him home with big Ben (diaz) before he announces his move to Spain 😂😉[/quote] He wanted to come to us because we would have been a good stepping stone into the English league and we also had the benefit of parachute payments. I'm sure the fact he played for us was also a factor, but by and large we would have been no more an attraction than if West Brom had come in for him too. Has Graham gone on record to say he particularly enjoyed his time at Stoke? 45 games over 3 seasons isn't a lot of games. And to correct bojanballer saying that Graham is Staffs born and bred, Solihull is not Staffordshire!
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Post by franklin on Apr 19, 2023 17:29:09 GMT
Everyone knows when interviewing people that you have to tread on egg shells or risk being ostracised and frozen out. Clubs won't tolerate "hard hitting" reporter's and would ban then like a shot its happened at Stoke previously where managers have refused to allow some members if the press access. Fergie was famous for banning "hostile" press. Surely though it's not in the club's interests to ban reporters from the city's main radio station (or newspaper in the case of the Sentinel). That will only create an 'us and them' situation, and both media would go to town on the club's dire performances and rile up supporter discontent even more. In the Premier League, weren't the club obligated to take questions from the media? Don't know if that applies to the EPL too. You mention Fergie and for sure, the Premier League should never have allowed him to ban press or refuse to speak to the BBC. So long as questions aren't aggressive, I think it's reasonable asking leading questions such as: "After the highs of results against Blackburn and Coventry, how do you explain performances over these past three games?" "There were some players out there tonight staking a claim for a place in the first team. How do you rate their chances after that performance?" I didn't say its in anyone's interest I just pointed out that's what happened Geoff Shreeves was banned and refused access to Fergie because he pissed him off. Shreeves had to apologise before he was let back after a question regarding Ronaldo diving. As for interviews as long as a representative is available it doesn't have to be the "main" man or manager at least that's my understanding its happened many times before.
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 19, 2023 17:36:56 GMT
Potter played 114 times for York, which is over two-and-a-half times more than the game he played for us. And he still played more games for Macc than for us too. I doubt his sentiment would take him to the National League any more than it would to the Championship. He was a good pro for us, but I don't think we'd be a pull on his heartstrings as such - certainly not enough to take him into the Championship. We were just another club that he played for. Don't be so sure of that. He was desperate come here when he went Swansea and certainly has a massive soft spot for us, we're his club. Bring him home with big Ben (diaz) before he announces his move to Spain 😂😉 He wanted to come to us because we would have been a good stepping stone into the English league and we also had the benefit of parachute payments. I'm sure the fact he played for us was also a factor, but by and large we would have been no more an attraction than if West Brom had come in for him too. Has Graham gone on record to say he particularly enjoyed his time at Stoke? 45 games over 3 seasons isn't a lot of games. And to correct bojanballer saying that Graham is Staffs born and bred, Solihull is not Staffordshire! [/quote] Where did I say he's staffs born and bred? I said we're his club which we are.
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