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Post by Fred Ferret on Apr 19, 2023 7:40:08 GMT
Have a listen you’ll learn how proper journalism works I'd like to see how a proper manager works, we haven't had one since Pulis and to a lesser extent MH! Would we have got that recent series of totally unacceptable performances, from Tony Pulis? I just cannot fathom the abject collapse in these last 3 home games.
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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 19, 2023 7:50:14 GMT
The main thing i wasnt happy about was passing across the back against wigan....get forward MOTM Connor Taylor biggest culprit. That said, didn’t see much movement in the industrious midfield giving the defence many options. That performance against what is in effect a League 1 side was atrocious. AN not to be excused, but he give a few a chance and probably had confirmed what be already knew. Would be surprised if Celina, Baker and even Powell start again this season unless injuries mean they have to
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Post by jokker on Apr 19, 2023 8:02:58 GMT
I would have liked a counter question along the lines of 'You knew that Wigan would be playing with blocks at the back, which as you say is very difficult to play against, so what did you tell your players as to how they should open up the Wigan defence?'. I fear the answer would have been 'Nothing. At this level players must know what to do'. Players SHOULD know but most players are not known for their intellect, they should be guided by a decent manager......... which we lack! Even Real Madrid and Citeh sometimes need their managers to come out and tell them what to do to break down the opposition. If not before the game, then at half time, and in Pep's case, throughout the whole game. Not that I think the players hear most of what he says from the touchline.
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 19, 2023 8:02:58 GMT
Wasn't that bothered at this stage of the season that we lost; it was the manner of losing and the total lack of effort. The players should be ashamed of themselves and donate the wages they didn't earn to charity. The same goes for AN.
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Post by loosestools on Apr 19, 2023 8:14:08 GMT
Graham McGarry or his replacement no doubt. It's widely believed that both John Acres and Nigel Gleghorn were axed from Stoke City reporting duties after daring to speak out against the subject matter at the time. Everyone knows when interviewing people that you have to tread on egg shells or risk being ostracised and frozen out. Clubs won't tolerate "hard hitting" reporter's and would ban then like a shot its happened at Stoke previously where managers have refused to allow some members if the press access. Fergie was famous for banning "hostile" press. That's a dictatorship.
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Post by callas12 on Apr 19, 2023 8:14:19 GMT
Considering neither covered a Stoke match again from that point on and in Acres case he was moved out of Sporting duties for Radio Stoke for good, its pretty obvious. I even asked a guy I know quite well who works at Radio Stoke why Acres didn't cover Stoke anymore and his answer of 'He wasn't allowed to discuss it' was also pretty revealing for me to know this was the reason why without it ever being confirmed. I thought your mate was going to combust🤣🤣he was spot on though mind Ha Ha! Defo thought the same mate! Another level of annoyed and angry that was!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 19, 2023 8:14:36 GMT
It wouldn't make any difference if cutting edge questions were asked. All he doles out are the same banal platitudes that describe what we've all just seen with our own eyes.
Not particularly about last night but the usual pattern is "We needed to get off to a better start...if X's shot had gone in it would have changed the dynamic...we need to defend better against set plays...after that we were chasing the game...there was no lack of effort...drone, drone, drone"
No insight into his in game thinking, game management, subs etc. An odd we changed it at half time comment.
Might as well let Ange do the post match presser and tell us the same story.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 19, 2023 8:16:54 GMT
I thought your mate was going to combust🤣🤣he was spot on though mind Ha Ha! Defo thought the same mate! Another level of annoyed and angry that was! I spoke to him beforehand and said I’ve not heard you on the airwaves for a while🤣he certainly made up for it last night😂
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Post by callas12 on Apr 19, 2023 8:21:16 GMT
Ha Ha! Defo thought the same mate! Another level of annoyed and angry that was! I spoke to him beforehand and said I’ve not heard you on the airwaves for a while🤣he certainly made up for it last night😂 Lol! You're pre match chat clearly motivated him to ring In! With a extraordinary grumble as there was certainly no praise to come out of last night's debacle!
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Apr 19, 2023 8:26:29 GMT
Have a listen you’ll learn how proper journalism works I know how proper journalism works. I just go to places that I expect to hear it, not Radio Stoke. It's BBC radio stoke, which means its funded by us, not by Stoke City FC. They should be asking difficult questions for sure when its that bad. I know they're terrified of the club cutting them off or whatever but they're representative of the people of the area, not the club.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 19, 2023 8:31:57 GMT
I get back in the car very very angry after what can only be described as utterly woeful performance to hear cutting edge journalism at its best😡It’s probably one of the worst performances I’ve witnessed in many a year from a set of uninterested/unmotivated players and management and all our intrepid friend can come out with is that question😳 The manager needed challenging as to why yet again the performance was so bad at home against a team that were utter dross.Everyone of those players tonight( with the exception of Taylor) should donate their match fee/wages to charity and I also include the management who were equally as bad. So so bad😡 Did he say he was?
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Post by magwitch on Apr 19, 2023 8:50:27 GMT
The big question is,'has AN any future at Stoke City?'. Graham Potter is now available, I believe. JC should be on the phone.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 19, 2023 8:58:33 GMT
The big question is,'has AN any future at Stoke City?'. Graham Potter is now available, I believe. JC should be on the phone. Yes, managers who get sacked by one of the biggest clubs in the country routinely make their next move a bottom-half Championship club.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 19, 2023 9:00:20 GMT
To be fair I did enjoy the P&G exchange about the players being shot.
"I took someone who was Peruvian, if that performance happened in Peru they'd have been shot."
"Can she recommend anyone, has she got any contacts?"
"What, to have them shot?"
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Post by franklin on Apr 19, 2023 9:19:12 GMT
Everyone knows when interviewing people that you have to tread on egg shells or risk being ostracised and frozen out. Clubs won't tolerate "hard hitting" reporter's and would ban then like a shot its happened at Stoke previously where managers have refused to allow some members if the press access. Fergie was famous for banning "hostile" press. That's a dictatorship. True though.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 19, 2023 9:40:56 GMT
Alex, you must be disappointed
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 19, 2023 9:45:43 GMT
Ange manages to ask Alex Neil tough questions in the pre match press conferences so it’s utter bollocks for me that you can’t ask him tougher questions post game.As I’ve said on numerous occasions other Local BBC stations manage to do this without being banned from the ground,it’s just basic football journalism which sadly BBC Radio Stoke lack in abundance
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Post by werrington on Apr 19, 2023 9:50:03 GMT
Here comes the bash Angela Smith brigade
Sad really
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 19, 2023 9:54:17 GMT
Here comes the bash Angela Smith brigade Sad really Its good job we have Ange to challenge all things Stoke City mate
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Post by lordb on Apr 19, 2023 9:56:50 GMT
The big question is,'has AN any future at Stoke City?'. Graham Potter is now available, I believe. JC should be on the phone. Yes, managers who get sacked by one of the biggest clubs in the country routinely make their next move a bottom-half Championship club. Embarrassing isn't it (?)
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Post by werrington on Apr 19, 2023 10:16:31 GMT
The big question is,'has AN any future at Stoke City?'. Graham Potter is now available, I believe. JC should be on the phone. Yes, managers who get sacked by one of the biggest clubs in the country routinely make their next move a bottom-half Championship club. Have Vale approached Nathan Jones yet?
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Post by magwitch on Apr 19, 2023 10:18:01 GMT
The big question is,'has AN any future at Stoke City?'. Graham Potter is now available, I believe. JC should be on the phone. Yes, managers who get sacked by one of the biggest clubs in the country routinely make their next move a bottom-half Championship club. Most people would respond in the way you have done, but that doesn't mean that it's always true.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 19, 2023 10:19:23 GMT
Yes, managers who get sacked by one of the biggest clubs in the country routinely make their next move a bottom-half Championship club. Most people would respond in the way you have done, but that doesn't mean that it's always true. It is 99% of the time.
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 19, 2023 10:19:29 GMT
Here comes the bash Angela Smith brigade Sad really I've never got it and long been appalled by it. Ange has always given good value in press conferences, and has given AN a fair old rough ride early doors. Sadly they are like an old married couple now though, with the odd bicker here and there. 😜
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Post by magwitch on Apr 19, 2023 10:33:11 GMT
Most people would respond in the way you have done, but that doesn't mean that it's always true. It is 99% of the time. So you admit that what I say is true, but I do think that 1% is inaccurate, probably more like 2%.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 19, 2023 10:37:58 GMT
So you admit that what I say is true, but I do think that 1% is inaccurate, probably more like 2%. I think 1% is generous if anything. What are the comparable examples? I can think of maybe Brian Little coming to us when we were in the third tier. Why would Potter come here when he still has a reputation as a very good Premier League manager?
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 19, 2023 10:47:35 GMT
Graham McGarry or his replacement no doubt. It's widely believed that both John Acres and Nigel Gleghorn were axed from Stoke City reporting duties after daring to speak out against the subject matter at the time. Everyone knows when interviewing people that you have to tread on egg shells or risk being ostracised and frozen out. Clubs won't tolerate "hard hitting" reporter's and would ban then like a shot its happened at Stoke previously where managers have refused to allow some members if the press access. Fergie was famous for banning "hostile" press. Surely though it's not in the club's interests to ban reporters from the city's main radio station (or newspaper in the case of the Sentinel). That will only create an 'us and them' situation, and both media would go to town on the club's dire performances and rile up supporter discontent even more. In the Premier League, weren't the club obligated to take questions from the media? Don't know if that applies to the EPL too. You mention Fergie and for sure, the Premier League should never have allowed him to ban press or refuse to speak to the BBC. So long as questions aren't aggressive, I think it's reasonable asking leading questions such as: "After the highs of results against Blackburn and Coventry, how do you explain performances over these past three games?" "There were some players out there tonight staking a claim for a place in the first team. How do you rate their chances after that performance?"
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 19, 2023 11:18:08 GMT
I know how proper journalism works. I just go to places that I expect to hear it, not Radio Stoke. It's BBC radio stoke, which means its funded by us, not by Stoke City FC. They should be asking difficult questions for sure when its that bad. I know they're terrified of the club cutting them off or whatever but they're representative of the people of the area, not the club. True but the club cutting them off would be quite a big issue for a radio show meant to cover local clubs.
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Post by werrington on Apr 19, 2023 11:18:46 GMT
Everyone knows when interviewing people that you have to tread on egg shells or risk being ostracised and frozen out. Clubs won't tolerate "hard hitting" reporter's and would ban then like a shot its happened at Stoke previously where managers have refused to allow some members if the press access. Fergie was famous for banning "hostile" press. Surely though it's not in the club's interests to ban reporters from the city's main radio station (or newspaper in the case of the Sentinel). That will only create an 'us and them' situation, and both media would go to town on the club's dire performances and rile up supporter discontent even more. In the Premier League, weren't the club obligated to take questions from the media? Don't know if that applies to the EPL too. You mention Fergie and for sure, the Premier League should never have allowed him to ban press or refuse to speak to the BBC. So long as questions aren't aggressive, I think it's reasonable asking leading questions such as: "After the highs of results against Blackburn and Coventry, how do you explain performances over these past three games?" "There were some players out there tonight staking a claim for a place in the first team. How do you rate their chances after that performance?" And seriously what would you expect him to say in answer to those questions?….Do you honestly think he would then throw players under the bus? He’d be an appalling manager or even worse man manager if he replies to that question with “they now have no more chances as they were shit” I mean cmon
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 19, 2023 11:22:20 GMT
Surely though it's not in the club's interests to ban reporters from the city's main radio station (or newspaper in the case of the Sentinel). That will only create an 'us and them' situation, and both media would go to town on the club's dire performances and rile up supporter discontent even more. In the Premier League, weren't the club obligated to take questions from the media? Don't know if that applies to the EPL too. You mention Fergie and for sure, the Premier League should never have allowed him to ban press or refuse to speak to the BBC. So long as questions aren't aggressive, I think it's reasonable asking leading questions such as: "After the highs of results against Blackburn and Coventry, how do you explain performances over these past three games?" "There were some players out there tonight staking a claim for a place in the first team. How do you rate their chances after that performance?" And seriously what would you expect him to say in answer to those questions?….Do you honestly think he would then throw players under the bus? He’d be an appalling manager or even worse man manager if he replies to that question with “they now have no more chances as they were shit” I mean cmon They have plenty of media training, he needn't throw anyone under a bus. Journalists should ask questions that reflect views of the fanbase. Those two questions above are perfectly reasonable and certainly reflects my feelings about last night, although they could be worded less aggressively.
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