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Post by lordb on Apr 18, 2023 11:00:49 GMT
I'm surprised with that. They talk about 'championship ready' but have gone into League One with a basically League Two standard squad. Getting promotion to the championship is extremely difficult, you look at the top and you've got big clubs like Ipswich, Sheff Wed, Portsmouth, Bolton, Derby. Then Plymouth having a good season. Barnsley regularly yo-yo between the Champ/L1. Peterborough and Wycombe have recent championship experience. You've got Charlton in the top half too. You have to build a squad capable enough and i'm not sure Vale are capable of that. I mean under Smurf they'd probably fallen out of the league entirely... small steps and that. Appreciate they have had a very bad run but having gone up via the play offs & with their budget not going straight back down again is success this season the 'Championship ready' mantra was always going to bite them on the arse
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 18, 2023 11:09:27 GMT
I'm surprised with that. They talk about 'championship ready' but have gone into League One with a basically League Two standard squad. Getting promotion to the championship is extremely difficult, you look at the top and you've got big clubs like Ipswich, Sheff Wed, Portsmouth, Bolton, Derby. Then Plymouth having a good season. Barnsley regularly yo-yo between the Champ/L1. Peterborough and Wycombe have recent championship experience. You've got Charlton in the top half too. You have to build a squad capable enough and i'm not sure Vale are capable of that. I mean under Smurf they'd probably fallen out of the league entirely... small steps and that. Appreciate they have had a very bad run but having gone up via the play offs & with their budget not going straight back down again is success this season the 'Championship ready' mantra was always going to bite them on the arse It's also why a good start to the season can often be a bad thing for a manager. If they'd gone along steadily and been where they are now, there'd be nothing like the calling for his head that there was. That said, I don't know how you'd build anything based on such a terrible run if they'd kept him for next season.
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Post by flea79 on Apr 18, 2023 12:49:03 GMT
Appreciate they have had a very bad run but having gone up via the play offs & with their budget not going straight back down again is success this season the 'Championship ready' mantra was always going to bite them on the arse It's also why a good start to the season can often be a bad thing for a manager. If they'd gone along steadily and been where they are now, there'd be nothing like the calling for his head that there was. That said, I don't know how you'd build anything based on such a terrible run if they'd kept him for next season. in fairness from listening to p and g there was only a small amount of grumbling over the manager in the last couple of weeks, most of the unintelligible orc speak they spew out was aimed at the players and the owners for failing to invest fully in the squad in January and the ramshackle attempt at a summer window! i really thought they would have let him see the summer out and begin again next season and see if things improved, clearly his very long contract was also a stumbling block too his exit and was always going to cause them a headache
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Post by thevoid on Apr 18, 2023 13:19:36 GMT
Flitcroft doesn't seem particularly popular among their support
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Post by hoppo96 on Apr 18, 2023 14:14:41 GMT
I'm surprised with that. They talk about 'championship ready' but have gone into League One with a basically League Two standard squad. Getting promotion to the championship is extremely difficult, you look at the top and you've got big clubs like Ipswich, Sheff Wed, Portsmouth, Bolton, Derby. Then Plymouth having a good season. Barnsley regularly yo-yo between the Champ/L1. Peterborough and Wycombe have recent championship experience. You've got Charlton in the top half too. You have to build a squad capable enough and i'm not sure Vale are capable of that. I mean under Smurf they'd probably fallen out of the league entirely... small steps and that. Appreciate they have had a very bad run but having gone up via the play offs & with their budget not going straight back down again is success this season the 'Championship ready' mantra was always going to bite them on the arse yeah, if they want to be in the championship they have to be top class at recruitment. Their crowds, even at the highest average they've been at a long while are nowhere near the level most clubs have in the championship.
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Post by march4 on Apr 18, 2023 14:27:52 GMT
you wish them well? Christ, they hate us So , they’re just a small irrelevant club But they’re not irrelevant. Because the city has split loyalties, it means the whole area has never been able to get behind one club. Consequently, in spite of having a founder member of the Football League, Stoke-on-Trent has not enjoyed the footballing success of other comparable cities such as Derby, Coventry, Wolverhampton, Portsmouth, Southampton, Ipswich, Sunderland, etc.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 18, 2023 14:38:03 GMT
So , they’re just a small irrelevant club But they’re not irrelevant. Because the city has split loyalties, it means the whole area has never been able to get behind one club. Consequently, in spite of having a founder member of the Football League, Stoke-on-Trent has not enjoyed the footballing success of other comparable cities such as Derby, Coventry, Wolverhampton, Portsmouth, Southampton, Ipswich, Sunderland, etc. We surpass Coventry's 'footballing success' if Kenwyne sticks his shot either side of Joe Hart.
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Post by march4 on Apr 18, 2023 14:46:19 GMT
But they’re not irrelevant. Because the city has split loyalties, it means the whole area has never been able to get behind one club. Consequently, in spite of having a founder member of the Football League, Stoke-on-Trent has not enjoyed the footballing success of other comparable cities such as Derby, Coventry, Wolverhampton, Portsmouth, Southampton, Ipswich, Sunderland, etc. We surpass Coventry's 'footballing success' if Kenwyne sticks his shot either side of Joe Hart. True. Or if the ball had bagatelled towards goal and not away from it off KJ and Hart’s shins. But it didn’t and Coventry’s civic colour is sky blue to match their football club but we don’t have a civic colour for fear of offending Port Vale.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 18, 2023 15:10:42 GMT
We surpass Coventry's 'footballing success' if Kenwyne sticks his shot either side of Joe Hart. True. Or if the ball had bagatelled towards goal and not away from it off KJ and Hart’s shins. But it didn’t and Coventry’s civic colour is sky blue to match their football club but we don’t have a civic colour for fear of offending Port Vale. Won't somebody think of the civic colours...
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Post by march4 on Apr 18, 2023 15:46:31 GMT
True. Or if the ball had bagatelled towards goal and not away from it off KJ and Hart’s shins. But it didn’t and Coventry’s civic colour is sky blue to match their football club but we don’t have a civic colour for fear of offending Port Vale. Won't somebody think of the civic colours... Even the crash barriers in Wolverhampton are old gold. Our city cannot unite behind a single club. It puts us at a disadvantage.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 18, 2023 15:56:47 GMT
Won't somebody think of the civic colours... Even the crash barriers in Wolverhampton are old gold. Our city cannot unite behind a single club. It puts us at a disadvantage. Won't somebody think of the crash barriers...
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Post by thevoid on Apr 18, 2023 16:19:36 GMT
We surpass Coventry's 'footballing success' if Kenwyne sticks his shot either side of Joe Hart. True. Or if the ball had bagatelled towards goal and not away from it off KJ and Hart’s shins. But it didn’t and Coventry’s civic colour is sky blue to match their football club but we don’t have a civic colour for fear of offending Port Vale. Just have two civic colours. Red for Stoke, white for Fail 👍
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 19, 2023 14:42:31 GMT
True. Or if the ball had bagatelled towards goal and not away from it off KJ and Hart’s shins. But it didn’t and Coventry’s civic colour is sky blue to match their football club but we don’t have a civic colour for fear of offending Port Vale. Just have two civic colours. Red for Stoke, white for Fail 👍 That is the most sensible answer to the civic question.
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Post by teanstoke on Apr 19, 2023 16:11:48 GMT
Things are not going well for them. And things are really going well down the Brit.
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Post by march4 on Apr 19, 2023 16:39:16 GMT
Things are not going well for them. And things are really going well down the Brit. They are indeed. We have a fantastic manager and this summer have the financial muscle to compete properly.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 19, 2023 16:41:37 GMT
And things are really going well down the Brit. They are indeed. We have a fantastic manager and this summer have the financial muscle to compete properly. Nicely spun Malcolm Tucker
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 19, 2023 16:45:33 GMT
So , they’re just a small irrelevant club But they’re not irrelevant. Because the city has split loyalties, it means the whole area has never been able to get behind one club. Consequently, in spite of having a founder member of the Football League, Stoke-on-Trent has not enjoyed the footballing success of other comparable cities such as Derby, Coventry, Wolverhampton, Portsmouth, Southampton, Ipswich, Sunderland, etc. Derby, Southampton and Ipswich's glittering record of three cups to our one in 130-odd years is not down to the fact that a few thousand residents of our city go and watch a lower-league team every other week. Vale fans pretty much evaporate when Stoke are in the top division anyway to be honest.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 19, 2023 17:18:03 GMT
But they’re not irrelevant. Because the city has split loyalties, it means the whole area has never been able to get behind one club. Consequently, in spite of having a founder member of the Football League, Stoke-on-Trent has not enjoyed the footballing success of other comparable cities such as Derby, Coventry, Wolverhampton, Portsmouth, Southampton, Ipswich, Sunderland, etc. Derby, Southampton and Ipswich's glittering record of three cups to our one in 130-odd years is not down to the fact that a few thousand residents of our city go and watch a lower-league team every other week. Vale fans pretty much evaporate when Stoke are in the top division anyway to be honest. Derby and Ipswich have won a lot more than Southampton, who are probably one of those clubs most comparable with ourselves
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Post by thevoid on Apr 19, 2023 17:19:13 GMT
Walsall sack Flynn, seems right up Fail's street
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 19, 2023 17:20:37 GMT
Derby, Southampton and Ipswich's glittering record of three cups to our one in 130-odd years is not down to the fact that a few thousand residents of our city go and watch a lower-league team every other week. Vale fans pretty much evaporate when Stoke are in the top division anyway to be honest. Derby and Ipswich have won a lot more than Southampton, who are probably one of those clubs most comparable with ourselves I make it 3 major trophies each? Although Saints haven't won the league like the others
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 19, 2023 17:26:16 GMT
The notion that Port Vale’s existence is the reason behind our lack of success is bizarre.
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Post by northstaffycher on Apr 20, 2023 11:42:41 GMT
I wish him well. I'm quite envious with the set-up and community based culture they have at the Vale. Similar vibe at Wrexham who also have the dosh of course.
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Post by flea79 on Apr 20, 2023 11:48:31 GMT
I wish him well. I'm quite envious with the set-up and community based culture they have at the Vale. Similar vibe at Wrexham who also have the dosh of course. Yes I was always impressed with Grotbags marquee acquisition of a universal tv remote for the valiant suite, be best buying a pack of grass seed instead
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Post by march4 on Apr 20, 2023 12:23:41 GMT
The notion that Port Vale’s existence is the reason behind our lack of success is bizarre. No, it’s the reason.
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Post by banksy1art on Apr 20, 2023 13:32:08 GMT
I wish him well. I'm quite envious with the set-up and community based culture they have at the Vale. Similar vibe at Wrexham who also have the dosh of course. Lol, their fans want the owners out
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Apr 20, 2023 14:33:53 GMT
you wish them well? Christ, they hate us I reckon most reasonable vale fans want exactly the same as us.(but in reverse of course) That we finish above them and preferably in a league above them. To say they hate SCFC and we want them "wiped from the face of the earth" is reserved for a silly minority. The same guys probably who go smashing up toilets in the Hamil Road end. They most certainly do hate us and alot of their fans would sooner see us loose a game than concentrate on their own result. That is a fact and I wouldn't mind seeing them fold, infact I would be made up if it happened. Doesn't mean I'd smash the toilets up in the away end there but I do detest them and I know they detest us which is how it should be. It's a local rivalry.
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Post by flea79 on Apr 20, 2023 14:34:25 GMT
I wish him well. I'm quite envious with the set-up and community based culture they have at the Vale. Similar vibe at Wrexham who also have the dosh of course. Lol, their fans want the owners out see now i know your 13 or 14! this is a historic cycle with our penny in the pound neighbours, in my lifetime i saw them hound out the valiants 2001 group or whatever they were called and part of the protest was too waddle up hamil road with a coffin full of season tickets, they were the best thing since sliced bread after they hounded Bill Bell out however this group of owners didnt do very well and things quickly soured and two periods of admin followed during this tenure (spotted a pattern yet?) we then arrive out Norman Smurthwaite, he was the best thing since sliced bread (hint hint can you guess whats coming) they fell out with him pretty quickly and hounded him out when he failed to get them in the champions league in 2 seasons thus we arrive at Grotbags who lo and behold was the best thing since sliced bread when she arrived and sold the family silver and borrowed the rest too purchase the club, they seem too have fallen out with her now and we know it wont be long I expect a certain Ian Donaldson to be the next owner of the club and thus the cycle will repeat also add to the list Robbie Williams who was the greatest thing ever till he stopped giving them money, then he did a gig and was liked again, now they realise his gig fucked the pitch up they dont like him its a vicious never ending cycle at Vale you see, our owners might make mistakes but the stability we have with them is enviable too most, and of course the never-ending squabbling in st6 gives us hours of laughter and maintains us throughout our mediocre seasons!
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Apr 20, 2023 15:34:35 GMT
Where are they on the traditional Port Vale rinse and repeat cycle, do we think?:
1) Have a crisis 2) Black & Gold protest and hound out the owners 3) Get taken over by new owners 4) Proclaim that the new owners will propel them to new heights, soon to be overtaking Stoke to becoming the real Pride of the Potteries 5) After an initial surge, results start to slump 6) Go to 1)
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 20, 2023 18:12:05 GMT
I reckon most reasonable vale fans want exactly the same as us.(but in reverse of course) That we finish above them and preferably in a league above them. To say they hate SCFC and we want them "wiped from the face of the earth" is reserved for a silly minority. The same guys probably who go smashing up toilets in the Hamil Road end. They most certainly do hate us and alot of their fans would sooner see us loose a game than concentrate on their own result. That is a fact and I wouldn't mind seeing them fold, infact I would be made up if it happened. Doesn't mean I'd smash the toilets up in the away end there but I do detest them and I know they detest us which is how it should be. It's a local rivalry. Fair enough. I maybe too old school. I know I wouldn't like them to fold primarily because some of my immediate family are valeites. Also some of my best mates are vale fans. Stoke in Prem and Vale in league one. That's my perfect scenario. Also note that I grew up in vale territory and my paternal family have been supporting Stoke Football Club and SCFC since about 1900. Cheers.
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Post by cdf on Apr 20, 2023 18:53:18 GMT
The sacked Fail manager been on Linkedin stating "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
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