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Post by lordb on Apr 2, 2023 18:57:33 GMT
He wouldn’t come here anyway. He isn’t a bad manager, like most managers he has a shelf life. He reached his expiration date at Leicester a while back. Oh I agree, and reference his ego, he will get another top job, if Everton stay up I rather fancy he may rock up there. They won't go down the ex Liverpool manager route again in a hurry Not sure there is an obvious fit for Rodgers tbh Back to Celtic maybe if Postogolou fancies a job in a big league? |
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Post by stokief on Apr 2, 2023 19:02:56 GMT
The problem with the end of the Hughes era was that it should've ended before we started our season of doom. I was absolutely convinced that he wouldn't be given any more time and would be gone. THAT'S when we should've been brave, got the wonga out and showed some managerial bravery...and probably taken some proper advice about who to appoint...not listen to blokes down the pub which seemed to be the norm thereafter!! However, we did go after AN initially but were thwarted by Preston so I suppose you could say we did try later..well, when it was too late. Still, he's here now! Onwards and upwards!! Hughes gave us the best football this club has seen for the best part of 3 decades. I think it rather foolish to criticise him, it was clear as day that the board thought that a premier league club could be self sufficient. We had the "I dont know what the fuss is all about, we had the "the club has to be less reliant on funds from the owners, we also had MH shortly before being given the chop saying "who else would do the job". It is clear that behind the scenes that there was a cost cutting exercise going on, Arnie left because of "ambition" tempered with his own self importance, but still he wasnt wrong. The whole reading between the lines was that of a tapering off of owner funding, and the obvious self life of a manager. On the whole do I blame MH? no not really, do I blame the board? 100 percent. IF we go up next season we have over 200m that will be needed to invest in the squad just to have a chance of staying up, do I think the owners will want to? Im not so sure. I don't blame Hughes, neither am I really criticising him! I blame the board for not acting quickly enough when it was obvious from the end of the season that something was very wrong. We had some great times under him initially but it went sour, That happens in any walk in life. Players like Shakiri and Marko were only ever going to use us as a stepping stone, a foot through the Prem door although I truely believe that Bojan would've stayed if the injury had never happened etc. He'd found a proper home. This scenario will play out again doubtless should we return to the Prem. We're not one of the big boys (although that 'Club' is shrinking as time goes on and memories of past 'glories' fade) the irony will be if Clubs like us, if run well one day find ourselves with the upperhand if the big boys and their fancy dan here today ,gone tomorrow owners take their eye off the financial ball. Even the mighty can be taken out. I think, hopefully that our board has learnt a few lessons about being decisive and not overly cautious. However, I still like the fact that a decent manager probably wants to join us because they're not prone to hasty, over-reactive decisions. It's a fine balance. |
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 2, 2023 19:05:25 GMT
Oh I agree, and reference his ego, he will get another top job, if Everton stay up I rather fancy he may rock up there. They won't go down the ex Liverpool manager route again in a hurry Not sure there is an obvious fit for Rodgers tbh Back to Celtic maybe if Postogolou fancies a job in a big league? You just know at some point he will have "Manager West Ham United" on his CV. For me he is one of them not quite elite se Maurino, Klopp, Guardiola, but a tear below type, I cants see anyone in the top 6 or 8 entertaining him, and I cant see anyone abroad of note (Im not talking Mallorca) taking a punt. For me its a toss up between WHU and EVERTON depending on how the cards fall. |
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Post by lordb on Apr 2, 2023 19:07:36 GMT
They won't go down the ex Liverpool manager route again in a hurry Not sure there is an obvious fit for Rodgers tbh Back to Celtic maybe if Postogolou fancies a job in a big league? You just know at some point he will have "Manager West Ham United" on his CV. For me he is one of them not quite elite se Maurino, Klopp, Guardiola, but a tear below type, I cants see anyone in the top 6 or 8 entertaining him, and I cant see anyone abroad of note (Im not talking Mallorca) taking a punt. For me its a toss up between WHU and EVERTON depending on how the cards fall. I think Mallorca isn't a bad shout, smaller club in a big league West Ham? Maybe, I think the last 18 months at Leicester will put pl clubs off for a while |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2023 19:15:16 GMT
Next England manager hopefully
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 2, 2023 19:15:33 GMT
Hughes gave us the best football this club has seen for the best part of 3 decades. I think it rather foolish to criticise him, it was clear as day that the board thought that a premier league club could be self sufficient. We had the "I dont know what the fuss is all about, we had the "the club has to be less reliant on funds from the owners, we also had MH shortly before being given the chop saying "who else would do the job". It is clear that behind the scenes that there was a cost cutting exercise going on, Arnie left because of "ambition" tempered with his own self importance, but still he wasnt wrong. The whole reading between the lines was that of a tapering off of owner funding, and the obvious self life of a manager. On the whole do I blame MH? no not really, do I blame the board? 100 percent. IF we go up next season we have over 200m that will be needed to invest in the squad just to have a chance of staying up, do I think the owners will want to? Im not so sure. I don't blame Hughes, neither am I really criticising him! I blame the board for not acting quickly enough when it was obvious from the end of the season that something was very wrong. We had some great times under him initially but it went sour, That happens in any walk in life. Players like Shakiri and Marko were only ever going to use us as a stepping stone, a foot through the Prem door although I truely believe that Bojan would've stayed if the injury had never happened etc. He'd found a proper home. This scenario will play out again doubtless should we return to the Prem. We're not one of the big boys (although that 'Club' is shrinking as time goes on and memories of past 'glories' fade) the irony will be if Clubs like us, if run well one day find ourselves with the upperhand if the big boys and their fancy dan here today ,gone tomorrow owners take their eye off the financial ball. Even the mighty can be taken out. I think, hopefully that our board has learnt a few lessons about being decisive and not overly cautious. However, I still like the fact that a decent manager probably wants to join us because they're not prone to hasty, over-reactive decisions. It's a fine balance. That is premier league players for you, the only thing that I completely disagree with you, is that the demise of our premier league run was anything but the board. They wanted to stop having to invest the figures that they were doing in the false guise of the club being self sufficient. That will never happen, but they tried to keep us up on the cheap, if failed. They are now paying the price, I do sorely hope that they learnt their lesson, that ownership of a football club is a money pit, but its much easier with Premier League tv rights money than without. |
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Post by lordb on Apr 2, 2023 19:17:41 GMT
Next England manager hopefully Not for me, he'd be great in qualifying but his ego would cause problems like Hoddles did, wouldn't last long |
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 2, 2023 19:17:45 GMT
You just know at some point he will have "Manager West Ham United" on his CV. For me he is one of them not quite elite se Maurino, Klopp, Guardiola, but a tear below type, I cants see anyone in the top 6 or 8 entertaining him, and I cant see anyone abroad of note (Im not talking Mallorca) taking a punt. For me its a toss up between WHU and EVERTON depending on how the cards fall. I think Mallorca isn't a bad shout, smaller club in a big league West Ham? Maybe, I think the last 18 months at Leicester will put pl clubs off for a while That would be glorious "Na na na na na na nan a, Brendons on the beach, on the beach Brendons on the beach!" |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 2, 2023 19:17:55 GMT
He just looks West Ham. The massive tool.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 2, 2023 19:26:08 GMT
The problem with the end of the Hughes era was that it should've ended before we started our season of doom. I was absolutely convinced that he wouldn't be given any more time and would be gone. THAT'S when we should've been brave, got the wonga out and showed some managerial bravery...and probably taken some proper advice about who to appoint...not listen to blokes down the pub which seemed to be the norm thereafter!! However, we did go after AN initially but were thwarted by Preston so I suppose you could say we did try later..well, when it was too late. Still, he's here now! Onwards and upwards!! Hughes gave us the best football this club has seen for the best part of 3 decades. I think it rather foolish to criticise him, it was clear as day that the board thought that a premier league club could be self sufficient. We had the "I dont know what the fuss is all about, we had the "the club has to be less reliant on funds from the owners, we also had MH shortly before being given the chop saying "who else would do the job". It is clear that behind the scenes that there was a cost cutting exercise going on, Arnie left because of "ambition" tempered with his own self importance, but still he wasnt wrong. The whole reading between the lines was that of a tapering off of owner funding, and the obvious self life of a manager. On the whole do I blame MH? no not really, do I blame the board? 100 percent. IF we go up next season we have over 200m that will be needed to invest in the squad just to have a chance of staying up, do I think the owners will want to? Im not so sure. Hughes did a great job at first but he 100% deserves criticism for our decline, a lot of it was on him. ‘Who else is going to do it’ wasn’t some dark reference to shadowy forces undermining him, it was a Madness of King George-style ego statement insisting he was still the right man for the job. I liked Hughes and was gutted it went wrong - but as Stokief says, the owners should’ve binned him when he started to lose it, as they did Pulis. |
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Post by stokief on Apr 2, 2023 19:27:48 GMT
I don't blame Hughes, neither am I really criticising him! I blame the board for not acting quickly enough when it was obvious from the end of the season that something was very wrong. We had some great times under him initially but it went sour, That happens in any walk in life. Players like Shakiri and Marko were only ever going to use us as a stepping stone, a foot through the Prem door although I truely believe that Bojan would've stayed if the injury had never happened etc. He'd found a proper home. This scenario will play out again doubtless should we return to the Prem. We're not one of the big boys (although that 'Club' is shrinking as time goes on and memories of past 'glories' fade) the irony will be if Clubs like us, if run well one day find ourselves with the upperhand if the big boys and their fancy dan here today ,gone tomorrow owners take their eye off the financial ball. Even the mighty can be taken out. I think, hopefully that our board has learnt a few lessons about being decisive and not overly cautious. However, I still like the fact that a decent manager probably wants to join us because they're not prone to hasty, over-reactive decisions. It's a fine balance. That is premier league players for you, the only thing that I completely disagree with you, is that the demise of our premier league run was anything but the board. They wanted to stop having to invest the figures that they were doing in the false guise of the club being self sufficient. That will never happen, but they tried to keep us up on the cheap, if failed. They are now paying the price, I do sorely hope that they learnt their lesson, that ownership of a football club is a money pit, but its much easier with Premier League tv rights money than without. I agree with you on the self-sufficient belief. However....Hughesy should've gone at the end of the season. The wheels had come off. I just think that they were being too nice to someone who had given us some great footballing times and thought it would magically heal itself. There's no room for over-sentmentality in fast moving business. They dithered when we were in the Championship too until the penny dropped with MON. I HOPE that was the lesson learnt. We'll see. Either way, I believe we're VERY lucky to have them in charge. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2023 19:29:14 GMT
He just looks West Ham. The massive tool. His teams play good football when he has the tools. Shafted by the owners |
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 2, 2023 19:33:06 GMT
Hughes gave us the best football this club has seen for the best part of 3 decades. I think it rather foolish to criticise him, it was clear as day that the board thought that a premier league club could be self sufficient. We had the "I dont know what the fuss is all about, we had the "the club has to be less reliant on funds from the owners, we also had MH shortly before being given the chop saying "who else would do the job". It is clear that behind the scenes that there was a cost cutting exercise going on, Arnie left because of "ambition" tempered with his own self importance, but still he wasnt wrong. The whole reading between the lines was that of a tapering off of owner funding, and the obvious self life of a manager. On the whole do I blame MH? no not really, do I blame the board? 100 percent. IF we go up next season we have over 200m that will be needed to invest in the squad just to have a chance of staying up, do I think the owners will want to? Im not so sure. Hughes did a great job at first but he 100% deserves criticism for our decline, a lot of it was on him. ‘Who else is going to do it’ wasn’t some dark reference to shadowy forces undermining him, it was a Madness of King George-style ego statement insisting he was still the right man for the job. I liked Hughes and was gutted it went wrong - but as Stokief says, the owners should’ve binned him when he started to lose it, as they did Pulis. I still maintain my thoughts on the matter, the board turned off the taps, let talent leave the building, and left him high and dry. We had a structure at the club at the time of a boys club, lots of hanger onners Cartwright, Scholes etc that were instrumental in the demise of our fall from grace. That "ambition" video we put out on the signing of Jese was about as far cringe as you get. Granted the Wimmer signing, the Imbula signing the Berehino signing was on Hughes, so you can kind of see the boards POV, but why let him continue, unless they were happy to have a scapegoat. My take is that it want really rosy behind closed doors, and a lot of things were said and done that will never see the light of day. But I don't blame Hughes any more than I blame the board. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 2, 2023 19:37:27 GMT
Hughes did a great job at first but he 100% deserves criticism for our decline, a lot of it was on him. ‘Who else is going to do it’ wasn’t some dark reference to shadowy forces undermining him, it was a Madness of King George-style ego statement insisting he was still the right man for the job. I liked Hughes and was gutted it went wrong - but as Stokief says, the owners should’ve binned him when he started to lose it, as they did Pulis. I still maintain my thoughts on the matter, the board turned off the taps, let talent leave the building, and left him high and dry. We had a structure at the club at the time of a boys club, lots of hanger onners Cartwright, Scholes etc that were instrumental in the demise of our fall from grace. That "ambition" video we put out on the signing of Jese was about as far cringe as you get. Granted the Wimmer signing, the Imbula signing the Berehino signing was on Hughes, so you can kind of see the boards POV, but why let him continue, unless they were happy to have a scapegoat. My take is that it want really rosy behind closed doors, and a lot of things were said and done that will never see the light of day. But I don't blame Hughes any more than I blame the board. To be fair it wasn’t the board who decided they wanted to play a wing back system with no wing backs, or sign Imbula, Wimmer and Berahino. As far as the taps being turned off, Hughes had a small budget by the standards of the league in his first two seasons and worked wonders. If he’d spent the Arnie money on a replacement rather than a fat centre half we didn’t need we may well not have gone down. He lost the plot. It happens to all managers in the end. We just didn’t act quickly enough. |
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 2, 2023 19:41:19 GMT
He just looks West Ham. The massive tool. His teams play good football when he has the tools. Shafted by the owners 7 out of the 11 first team won the FA cup and Charity shield. Now Im all for saying a manager is shit, but that team Tilimans, Vardy, Perez, Maddison, Dewsbury Hall, Inachio, Ndidi, Castage, Tete, barnes, Soyunchi, Fares, Praet, Justin are not championship players, let alone poor prem players. He had a top 67 squad and fucking it up. Not shafted by the owners at all. They have had to stop spending after funding a large squad to enable domestic campaign, along side a euoropean campaign. Unfortunatly they didnt get in to a European cup this season, but the squad was build on that premise. So they had to cut there cloth, BR spat his dummy out, but its not that he wasnt backed. |
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Post by steewee on Apr 2, 2023 19:52:14 GMT
My God. Yesterday the Oatcake was raving over our recent run of form and how AN has excelled in achieving it. Twenty four hours later a failing PL manager gets the sack and people are clamouring for our owners to go and get him!! I sometimes despair. Not ‘people’ mate one person. Who appears to be in the middle of a nervous breakdown. Mystic meg has died mate. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2023 20:12:24 GMT
His teams play good football when he has the tools. Shafted by the owners 7 out of the 11 first team won the FA cup and Charity shield. Now Im all for saying a manager is shit, but that team Tilimans, Vardy, Perez, Maddison, Dewsbury Hall, Inachio, Ndidi, Castage, Tete, barnes, Soyunchi, Fares, Praet, Justin are not championship players, let alone poor prem players. He had a top 67 squad and fucking it up. Not shafted by the owners at all. They have had to stop spending after funding a large squad to enable domestic campaign, along side a euoropean campaign. Unfortunatly they didnt get in to a European cup this season, but the squad was build on that premise. So they had to cut there cloth, BR spat his dummy out, but its not that he wasnt backed. I take all that on board, he hasn’t been backed for two seasons. And tbh I don’t really think it comes into my thinking when talking about England managers. Rodgers would be an excellent international manager |
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 2, 2023 20:16:21 GMT
7 out of the 11 first team won the FA cup and Charity shield. Now Im all for saying a manager is shit, but that team Tilimans, Vardy, Perez, Maddison, Dewsbury Hall, Inachio, Ndidi, Castage, Tete, barnes, Soyunchi, Fares, Praet, Justin are not championship players, let alone poor prem players. He had a top 67 squad and fucking it up. Not shafted by the owners at all. They have had to stop spending after funding a large squad to enable domestic campaign, along side a euoropean campaign. Unfortunatly they didnt get in to a European cup this season, but the squad was build on that premise. So they had to cut there cloth, BR spat his dummy out, but its not that he wasnt backed. I take all that on board, he hasn’t been backed for two seasons. And tbh I don’t really think it comes into my thinking when talking about England managers. Rodgers would be an excellent international manager He actually would be, he has the ego, and tactical noose. As an N Irishman from Co Antrim, Im not sure he would even consider it even it there was a vacancy' which there isn't. |
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Post by professorplump on Apr 2, 2023 22:50:54 GMT
Leicester remind me a bit of us the year we got relegated. They have some decent players but I'm not sure they have the sort of battlers that you need for a relegation fight.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 3, 2023 0:41:13 GMT
Next England manager hopefully Would rather Potter I think |
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Post by stokecitytalke on Apr 3, 2023 8:40:13 GMT
The problem with the end of the Hughes era was that it should've ended before we started our season of doom. I was absolutely convinced that he wouldn't be given any more time and would be gone. THAT'S when we should've been brave, got the wonga out and showed some managerial bravery...and probably taken some proper advice about who to appoint...not listen to blokes down the pub which seemed to be the norm thereafter!! However, we did go after AN initially but were thwarted by Preston so I suppose you could say we did try later..well, when it was too late. Still, he's here now! Onwards and upwards!! Hughes gave us the best football this club has seen for the best part of 3 decades. I think it rather foolish to criticise him, it was clear as day that the board thought that a premier league club could be self sufficient. We had the "I dont know what the fuss is all about, we had the "the club has to be less reliant on funds from the owners, we also had MH shortly before being given the chop saying "who else would do the job". It is clear that behind the scenes that there was a cost cutting exercise going on, Arnie left because of "ambition" tempered with his own self importance, but still he wasnt wrong. The whole reading between the lines was that of a tapering off of owner funding, and the obvious self life of a manager. On the whole do I blame MH? no not really, do I blame the board? 100 percent. IF we go up next season we have over 200m that will be needed to invest in the squad just to have a chance of staying up, do I think the owners will want to? Im not so sure. Haven't they just written off £120m to stay where we are, so I could see them spending £200m to stay in the Premier league. |
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Post by hardcastle on Apr 3, 2023 13:05:19 GMT
I take all that on board, he hasn’t been backed for two seasons. And tbh I don’t really think it comes into my thinking when talking about England managers. Rodgers would be an excellent international manager He actually would be, he has the ego, and tactical noose. As an N Irishman from Co Antrim, Im not sure he would even consider it even it there was a vacancy' which there isn't. Why wouldn't a Northern Irishman (particularly one who's played out most of his playing and managerial career in England) consider taking the England job? One of the most prestigious jobs in world football, l'd have thought. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 3, 2023 16:22:21 GMT
Talksport saying Potter's turned it down
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 3, 2023 16:29:53 GMT
Talksport saying Potter's turned it down Sensible. He won't be short of money from his Chelsea contract and can take a break and wait to see who is desperate for a manager a few months into next season. You never know; if Brighton stay up and have a bad start next season they'd take him back in a flash. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 3, 2023 16:33:44 GMT
Talksport saying Potter's turned it down Sensible. He won't be short of money from his Chelsea contract and can take a break and wait to see who is desperate for a manager a few months into next season. You never know; if Brighton stay up and have a bad start next season they'd take him back in a flash. I wouldn’t put it past Chelsea going for De Zerbi from Brighton and Potter going back there Nathan Jones style |
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Post by cdf on Apr 3, 2023 16:38:25 GMT
Talksport saying Potter's turned it down Sensible. He won't be short of money from his Chelsea contract and can take a break and wait to see who is desperate for a manager a few months into next season. You never know; if Brighton stay up and have a bad start next season they'd take him back in a flash. i think he will either end up at Crystal Palace or West Ham |
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 3, 2023 16:38:36 GMT
The Rogers sacking is "Watfordesque" brutal. Wins FA Cup , charity shield, 2 of Leicester's 3 highest positions in the Prem. and gets the sack as soon as things look dodgy.
That's savage.
Hope Leicester get all that's coming to them.
I sometimes wonder about the power of the social media and sports media (MOTD) in all this? Do directors/owners panic?
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 3, 2023 16:43:54 GMT
Sensible. He won't be short of money from his Chelsea contract and can take a break and wait to see who is desperate for a manager a few months into next season. You never know; if Brighton stay up and have a bad start next season they'd take him back in a flash. i think he will either end up at Crystal Palace or West Ham Good call. Can see Woy saving Palace again, then retiring again. So Palace need an experienced Prem manager again. |
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Post by jokker on Apr 3, 2023 16:44:43 GMT
Next England manager hopefully Next NI manager more likely. |
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Post by cdf on Apr 3, 2023 16:45:08 GMT
i think he will either end up at Crystal Palace or West Ham Good call. Can see Woy saving Palace again, then retiring again. So Palace need an experienced Prem manager again. Woy's just in to keep them up this season, so, they are very much on the lookout for a new manager for next season |
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