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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 10, 2023 23:33:03 GMT
28 and has yet to make that step up. Whelan played almost 300 games in the Premier League. May as well compare the performances of league 1 versus Championship players. True but Pearson is a better footballer. And reads the game better imo. He’s more like Delap who I always thought was far superior to Whelan. Again, I just don’t think he can be compared easily to a player that coped versus a far better standard of player than what Pearson has to do. Pearson is one of the best players in this league. However, there’s no way that his skills aren’t needed still at Bournemouth, yet he’s deemed not good enough. Reading the game versus Man Utd is much harder than versus Blackburn, yet Whelan could do that and Pearson hasn’t been able to. That said, I think he could have been great in a Pulis cage and perhaps he has just never had the right chance.
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Post by femark on Mar 10, 2023 23:33:13 GMT
Calmer on the ball than Whelan but just as good at the defensive side.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2023 23:35:57 GMT
True but Pearson is a better footballer. And reads the game better imo. He’s more like Delap who I always thought was far superior to Whelan. Again, I just don’t think he can be compared easily to a player that coped versus a far better standard of player than what Pearson has to do. Pearson is one of the best players in this league. However, there’s no way that his skills aren’t needed still at Bournemouth, yet he’s deemed not good enough. Reading the game versus Man Utd is much harder than versus Blackburn, yet Whelan could do that and Pearson hasn’t been able to. That said, I think he could have been great in a Pulis cage and perhaps he has just never had the right chance. He’s not but I don’t think that means much. I’m fully convinced that football managers don’t know that much more than most of us! 😂
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 10, 2023 23:39:53 GMT
Whelan made the step up to the prem and held his own. He banged a few goals in for Sheff weds before us as well which arguably Pearson hasn’t done.
That said Whelan made the step up with us (his fame changed and the goals dried up - excluding. Spurs and Villa away et al).
Ben, if you’re reading this, make the switch, win the league in 23/24 with 10 goals to your name and prove yourself in the prem in the 24/25 season.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 10, 2023 23:39:55 GMT
Again, I just don’t think he can be compared easily to a player that coped versus a far better standard of player than what Pearson has to do. Pearson is one of the best players in this league. However, there’s no way that his skills aren’t needed still at Bournemouth, yet he’s deemed not good enough. Reading the game versus Man Utd is much harder than versus Blackburn, yet Whelan could do that and Pearson hasn’t been able to. That said, I think he could have been great in a Pulis cage and perhaps he has just never had the right chance. He’s not but I don’t think that means much. I’m fully convinced that football managers don’t know that much more than most of us! 😂 You should definitely apply to be one then. Several thousand a week would be easy money.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2023 23:40:44 GMT
He’s not but I don’t think that means much. I’m fully convinced that football managers don’t know that much more than most of us! 😂 You should definitely apply to be one then. Several thousand a week would be easy money. It’s a closed shop isn’t it. An absolute racket.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 11, 2023 6:34:56 GMT
We should break the bank for him. He’s demonstrated what a good DM can bring to the side. His game management and reading of the game is second to none. I’m not sure i can think of a better player of his type in the championship.
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Post by milky on Mar 11, 2023 7:18:28 GMT
Absolute class.
The difference in Pearson and Thompson is night and day as was evident last night.
If he had been here since August who knows where we could have been as he really does make that big a difference.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 11, 2023 7:37:23 GMT
Absolute class. The difference in Pearson and Thompson is night and day as was evident last night. If he had been here since August who knows where we could have been as he really does make that big a difference. Watching Thompson he just has no ability to read the game and put himself in the right place to stop attacks something Pearsons brilliant at.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 11, 2023 7:44:51 GMT
Absolute class. The difference in Pearson and Thompson is night and day as was evident last night. If he had been here since August who knows where we could have been as he really does make that big a difference. Watching Thompson he just has no ability to read the game and put himself in the right place to stop attacks something Pearsons brilliant at. Pearson is far more composed on the ball than Whelan ever was whilst being every bit as effective breaking up play and ball winning. Our midfield hasn’t looked this good since before we lost N’Zonzi.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 11, 2023 8:17:38 GMT
Whelan made the step up to the prem and held his own. He banged a few goals in for Sheff weds before us as well which arguably Pearson hasn’t done. That said Whelan made the step up with us (his fame changed and the goals dried up - excluding. Spurs and Villa away et al). Ben, if you’re reading this, make the switch, win the league in 23/24 with 10 goals to your name and prove yourself in the prem in the 24/25 season. Goals really aren’t a part of the remit for either.
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Post by caine on Mar 11, 2023 8:20:57 GMT
We have to go above and beyond to sign him…
I can’t see Saints or the Cherries staying up if you take a look at the fixtures. Think we have little chance to sign them unless they both stay up.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 11, 2023 8:30:03 GMT
Despite it creating headache problems with the loanees if you get the chance to sign Pearson at the end of the window then you fucking sign Ben Pearson.
He doesn’t do anything flashy but he’s such an intelligent player in the positions he takes up and when to get his foot in. The difference between him and someone like Thompson is night and day. He’s not even at full-tilt fitness yet either.
I just pray to god we can make it permanent for next season.
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Post by captainmainwaring on Mar 11, 2023 8:33:34 GMT
We should break the bank for him. He’s demonstrated what a good DM can bring to the side. His game management and reading of the game is second to none. I’m not sure i can think of a better player of his type in the championship. Break the bank, How much do you think he is worth?
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Post by LH_SCFC on Mar 11, 2023 8:34:41 GMT
The lad wins headers with nobody within ten yards of him as he reads the game so well. His ability to not have to tackle but come out of a 50:50 with a Cruyff turn is superb.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 11, 2023 8:51:19 GMT
Should be our main target, but still wouldn't pay more than £4M for him. We also need a mobile targetman with decent pace and ability in the air, and that kind of player is the most expensive one. Another goalkeeper too, but I think Bonham is good back up. Two fullbacks, a central defender, a winger and another central midfielder too when Clucas goes. Hopefully we can get Smallbone on a permanent deal, but I doubt Shampton will let him go.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 11, 2023 9:07:39 GMT
Has improved the team and had a cracking game last night, but I think comparisons with Whelan are a little early.
His presence does seem to give everyone else confidence and I liked the way he allowed the fullbacks( Hoever especially) to be aggressive when they joined the press in midfield areas.
I think we win 3-0 last night if he played 90 minutes.
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Post by jhtstokie on Mar 11, 2023 9:41:01 GMT
I kind of liked Whelan, he was just always there, never did anything particularly noticeable, but by god we noticed once his legs were going at Prem level and we have noticed that gap ever since. Step forward Mr Pearson, Whelan 2 point 0 , a shit house, a tackler , a calming influence , easy not to notice because he allows Smallbone , the fullbacks the forwards to press on the front foot and take the plaudits, god how we have missed Whelan 2.0, please sign him up!! Spot on. The difference when he came off was huge, we were wide open last 10. He seemed to read the game very well last night, which he does most of the time anyway but it stood out to me even more last night. Now we’ve got a bit of cash to spend I really hope we can go and sign him!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 11, 2023 17:36:17 GMT
Let’s hope Bournemouth stay up as that’s our best chance of signing him.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 11, 2023 18:07:48 GMT
Absolute class. The difference in Pearson and Thompson is night and day as was evident last night. If he had been here since August who knows where we could have been as he really does make that big a difference. We would have been top six I've no doubt about that. He makes that much of a difference it's unreal.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 11, 2023 21:02:44 GMT
I kind of liked Whelan, he was just always there, never did anything particularly noticeable, but by god we noticed once his legs were going at Prem level and we have noticed that gap ever since. Step forward Mr Pearson, Whelan 2 point 0 , a shit house, a tackler , a calming influence , easy not to notice because he allows Smallbone , the fullbacks the forwards to press on the front foot and take the plaudits, god how we have missed Whelan 2.0, please sign him up!! Not sure about a calming influence. I never worried about Whelan staying the pitch.
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Post by mrrine on Mar 11, 2023 21:03:34 GMT
True but Pearson is a better footballer. And reads the game better imo. He’s more like Delap who I always thought was far superior to Whelan. Again, I just don’t think he can be compared easily to a player that coped versus a far better standard of player than what Pearson has to do. Pearson is one of the best players in this league. However, there’s no way that his skills aren’t needed still at Bournemouth, yet he’s deemed not good enough. Reading the game versus Man Utd is much harder than versus Blackburn, yet Whelan could do that and Pearson hasn’t been able to. That said, I think he could have been great in a Pulis cage and perhaps he has just never had the right chance. This. Imagine prime Whelan playing the likes of Wycombe, only then could you accurately compare. Good as he is, there's a reason (Edit) Bournemouth were ok with loaning him out. We tried to replace Whelan god knows how many times and he just raised his level every time...
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Post by stokefanone on Mar 12, 2023 1:22:04 GMT
I loved whelan, thought that he was probably the main reason we got promotion. Saying that, I think Pearson is a better footballer than whelan, he also contributes to the creativity of the midfield. If Neil had left the substitutions Campbell, Pearson and Laurent for another 5 mins it would have ended up 3-0 at least, he overlooked that Blackburn still had mileage in them.
Hope we can get Pearson permanently, but doubtful as Bournemouth may get relegated.
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Post by crowey on Mar 12, 2023 2:34:30 GMT
…. that studs high tackle he put in and their midfielder was down for ages. I thought “what a rayte nasty bastard” …… then I remembered he’s our “rayte nasty bastard”!
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Post by avit on Mar 30, 2023 1:24:11 GMT
True but Pearson is a better footballer. And reads the game better imo. He’s more like Delap who I always thought was far superior to Whelan. Again, I just don’t think he can be compared easily to a player that coped versus a far better standard of player than what Pearson has to do. Pearson is one of the best players in this league. However, there’s no way that his skills aren’t needed still at Bournemouth, yet he’s deemed not good enough. Reading the game versus Man Utd is much harder than versus Blackburn, yet Whelan could do that and Pearson hasn’t been able to. That said, I think he could have been great in a Pulis cage and perhaps he has just never had the right chance. The game has changed as it’s always done over the years. The glen whelans of today would be defenders. Good ball winners and good distribution along with reading dangers and being there at the right time. Pearson offers this but also offer an attacking ball while being calm on the ball. He can hold play in midfield and release a good forward ball. I loved whelan but he would get caught on the ball a lot. He won more than he lost though and when we had wingers he had options to play a simple ball. Pearson is a happy medium if you don’t have a van dyke. He’s a fantastic player that will work well in the system we seem he’ll bent on playing along with every other club atm. Bring back winger and proper right backs and lefts backs I say but he is the quality we need to have in transition for sure.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 30, 2023 10:11:07 GMT
I kind of liked Whelan, he was just always there, never did anything particularly noticeable, but by god we noticed once his legs were going at Prem level and we have noticed that gap ever since. Step forward Mr Pearson, Whelan 2 point 0 , a shit house, a tackler , a calming influence , easy not to notice because he allows Smallbone , the fullbacks the forwards to press on the front foot and take the plaudits, god how we have missed Whelan 2.0, please sign him up!! I do prefer Pearson as I hated the amount of 5 yard sideways and backwards passing Whelan often did whilst being good in other ways. I think Pearson is more positive generally!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 10:30:06 GMT
I kind of liked Whelan, he was just always there, never did anything particularly noticeable, but by god we noticed once his legs were going at Prem level and we have noticed that gap ever since. Step forward Mr Pearson, Whelan 2 point 0 , a shit house, a tackler , a calming influence , easy not to notice because he allows Smallbone , the fullbacks the forwards to press on the front foot and take the plaudits, god how we have missed Whelan 2.0, please sign him up!! I do prefer Pearson as I hated the amount of 5 yard sideways and backwards passing Whelan often did whilst being good in other ways. I think Pearson is more positive generally! I think that's almost entirely the role they're asked to play. Hughes' 'tactics', few as there were, were to tell Whelan to keep it simple and give it to better players. Neil clearly wants all players to be trying to break lines and increase the tempo when they see an opening.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 13:42:14 GMT
Both good players .
I have enjoyed watching Pearson more than I enjoyed watching Whelan.
I remember watching Whelan on you tube, when he joined and their was this box to box player in a Sheffield Wednesday kit , forever bursting forward to score a powerfully hit shot from the edge of the box
Then he got here and Pulis told him to sit in front of the back four,mop everything up , foul people if need be , but protect the back four.
He did it very well. But it was like watching a totally different player to the one who played for Sheffield Wednesday.
I have enjoyed watching Pearson more than Whelan,but Whelan can't be blamed for doing what the Stoke manager told him to and becoming a different player to the one who played for Sheffield Wednesday
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Post by thestatusquo on Mar 30, 2023 13:52:17 GMT
Pound for pound whelan was the best £500k we ever spent
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Post by pushon on Mar 30, 2023 15:55:49 GMT
Pound for pound whelan was the best £500k we ever spent I don't know which other players cost an even £500k but I would've thought that £75k for Gordon Banks, was a much better value 'Pound for Pound' deal. Then there's Alan Hudson at £250k a faraway better player than Whelan. Terry Conroy from Glentoran(?)..etc. Glen Whelan is an also ran in the best value ratings. IMO of course.
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