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Post by thehoof on Feb 18, 2023 19:51:43 GMT
But therein lies the problem - because we have seen worse, some supporters seem to be prepared to accept the unadulterated crap that is being turned out on a regular basis.
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Post by milky on Feb 18, 2023 20:01:57 GMT
Morgan Fox is as bad as any named player on thus thread. Nowhere near for me. Bryan small is easily the worst left back I’ve ever seen, followed closely by Tony Dorigo and Derek Statham. Lee Fowler was pretty god damn useless as well. Christ ,Lee Fowler ,there's a name I'd forgotten about. Am I dreaming or did either Mills or Ball decide it was a good idea to play him as a centre back once or twice ?
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Feb 18, 2023 20:12:34 GMT
But therein lies the problem - because we have seen worse, some supporters seem to be prepared to accept the unadulterated crap that is being turned out on a regular basis. I don't accept it for a moment. It's crap and my only hope is we scrape to the end if the season, stay up and actually recruit well
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 18, 2023 20:16:32 GMT
Nowhere near for me. Bryan small is easily the worst left back I’ve ever seen, followed closely by Tony Dorigo and Derek Statham. Lee Fowler was pretty god damn useless as well. Christ ,Lee Fowler ,there's a name I'd forgotten about. Am I dreaming or did either Mills or Ball decide it was a good idea to play him as a centre back once or twice ? I think he did play centre half a couple of times. 🤦♂️
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Post by silsdenstokie on Feb 18, 2023 21:34:22 GMT
Anyone remember Ben petty I’ll raise you a Jason Kavanagh Whilst Mohan was limited, weve had worse and as has been mentioned, he lifted the Autoglass on that great day at Wembley in 2000.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 18, 2023 21:49:31 GMT
Anyone remember Ben petty I’ll raise you a Jason Kavanagh Whilst Mohan was limited, weve had worse and as has been mentioned, he lifted the Autoglass on that great day at Wembley in 2000. Dave Rowson must be in this discussion surely. Wigan away...
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Post by st3mark on Feb 18, 2023 21:52:38 GMT
Yes, we are bad Yes, it is incredibly frustrating to support us But come on, if you have supported Stoke longer than the Premier League years, to say this team is the worst we have had is beyond laughable! If you don't know the names, Kofi, Martin or Clayton then you really have no idea as to how bad we have been I”ll see your Kofi and raise you a Nicky Mohan 😃 Mohan was the captain of a team that would piss all over this team.
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Post by st3mark on Feb 18, 2023 21:54:03 GMT
Yes, we are bad Yes, it is incredibly frustrating to support us But come on, if you have supported Stoke longer than the Premier League years, to say this team is the worst we have had is beyond laughable! If you don't know the names, Kofi, Martin or Clayton then you really have no idea as to how bad we have been All 3 of them would have made today's bench.
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Post by Davef on Feb 18, 2023 21:56:18 GMT
If you think that reeling off names of players brought to this club over twenty years ago when we didn't have a pot to piss in adds any perspective to our current position, then, with respect, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 18, 2023 22:00:25 GMT
If you think that reeling off names of players brought to this club over twenty years ago when we didn't have a pot to piss in adds any perspective to our current position, then, with respect, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. 😳
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Post by hamsta2 on Feb 18, 2023 22:45:05 GMT
Anyone remember Ben petty I try not to.
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 18, 2023 22:49:47 GMT
Can I just introduce Steven Tweed in to the argument?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 18, 2023 23:03:16 GMT
Here’s some perspective.
In three games against shit sides this season: Rotherham, Coventry and Blackpool.
We had over 60 attempts on goal and didn’t score once.
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Post by Davef on Feb 18, 2023 23:07:09 GMT
Here’s some perspective. In three games against shit sides this season: Rotherham, Coventry and Blackpool. We had over 60 attempts on goal and didn’t score once. Yeah, but we had some really shit players a quarter of a century ago.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 18, 2023 23:21:16 GMT
Here’s some perspective. In three games against shit sides this season: Rotherham, Coventry and Blackpool. We had over 60 attempts on goal and didn’t score once. Yeah, but we had some really shit players a quarter of a century ago. 😳
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Post by castleblack on Feb 18, 2023 23:58:09 GMT
PERSPECTIVE???? rowett was no good ,a waste of space who had no idea of how to run a football club and has ended up at a dead end club who are now well placed in the play off slotts!!,,,funny old game.
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Feb 19, 2023 11:53:50 GMT
If you think that reeling off names of players brought to this club over twenty years ago when we didn't have a pot to piss in adds any perspective to our current position, then, with respect, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Also with respect, what do you base that on? My post is simply that we have had worse players than we have now whilst I have been a fan. Am I happy, of course not. But if you look at some of the abuse given yesterday, i feel my comments have their place
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 19, 2023 14:11:14 GMT
So the younger supporters who haven’t seen a worse side than this have to accept it because some of the older supporters have seen worse sides? It never ceases to amaze me how a section of our fan base are happy to just accept whatever shite is served up to them. I think the difference is some of us in that older generation don't get the idea of "accept" when it comes to supporting their club. Finding the team "unacceptable" is such a consumerist take on being a supporter. A football team isn't a washing machine. If you buy a washing machine and it doesn't wash properly then fair enough to call it unacceptable because that was a condition of purchase. When you choose to support a football team and buy a ticket you don't get any guarantees they will be any good. In fact as football is a sport it's impossible - not everyone can win the league and in any given year some teams are going to be worse than others. Being good isn't a condition of the relationship you entered into when you signed up to support the club. If you find what you are getting unacceptable the only option you have is to walk away because the club can only be what they are at any point in time. We have been a lot better and we have been a lot worse and currently we are a bit crap. The idea I should find this "unacceptable" just strikes me as a bit weird. To me they are just a bit crap and flouncing around proclaiming it's all just so "unacceptable" strikes me as a bit Little Lord Fauntleroy complaining about a soggy rusk and doesn't make a blind bit of difference anyway - they only way I can't make them any better is by getting behind them. You know - support them.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 19, 2023 14:27:30 GMT
If you think our present keepers are shite,I'll give you Marshall,he had trouble catching a fucking cold.
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Post by gogogadget on Feb 19, 2023 14:32:30 GMT
Micky Gynn
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Post by thehoof on Feb 19, 2023 14:33:18 GMT
Can I just introduce Steven Tweed in to the argument? The original Paper Bag head.
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Post by DC1863 on Feb 19, 2023 14:41:02 GMT
I've been following Stoke about 25 years and nobody can convince me that we've seen a worse full back in that period than Cuco Martina.
I don't care where he has played previously or in terms of natural ability. His work rate, determination and passion for the shirt ranks the worst and I couldn't wait to see the back of him.
Likely on 5x of what Wilko ever earned but not fit to lace his boots.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 19, 2023 14:47:37 GMT
PERSPECTIVE???? rowett was no good ,a waste of space who had no idea of how to run a football club and has ended up at a dead end club who are now well placed in the play off slotts!!,,,funny old game. The Rowett debacle is a good example to illustrate the extent to which the club has been mismanaged over recent years. Rowett has proved himself as a manager who can go into a club where money is tight and make the most of things on a modest budget by playing organised football based on strong defence . we hire him and give him an amount of money he had never been used to and promptly wasted, expectation was understandably high given the players we had still and the money spent to get back up so he came under pressure. The fact we got virtually no return on any of that 50 m says it all and no lessons have been learned as far as I can see . MON did well for a period but the team overall hasn't improved and so far Neil has really struggled. The more I watch them I see a really poor squad, the league position reflects their ability. A fit Powell and Pearson might raise the bar a little and Tymon's return will bring a few decent crosses that will hopefully just keep us out of trouble. People talk of perspective and this is fine but what about the perspective of how few clubs who have had 10 years in the Gravy league come down and not challenged at all to get back yet still behaves in the exactly the same way , a definition of madness that needs to change or it wont be too long before we get the chance to win the auto glass trophy under whatever name it has then for a third time.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Feb 19, 2023 16:20:33 GMT
Can I just introduce Steven Tweed in to the argument? The original Paper Bag head. Best remembered for a blatent handball in the first Potteries derby at the Brit, which the ref somehow missed, helping us to a win
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 19, 2023 17:02:37 GMT
So the younger supporters who haven’t seen a worse side than this have to accept it because some of the older supporters have seen worse sides? It never ceases to amaze me how a section of our fan base are happy to just accept whatever shite is served up to them. I think the difference is some of us in that older generation don't get the idea of "accept" when it comes to supporting their club. Finding the team "unacceptable" is such a consumerist take on being a supporter. A football team isn't a washing machine. If you buy a washing machine and it doesn't wash properly then fair enough to call it unacceptable because that was a condition of purchase. When you choose to support a football team and buy a ticket you don't get any guarantees they will be any good. In fact as football is a sport it's impossible - not everyone can win the league and in any given year some teams are going to be worse than others. Being good isn't a condition of the relationship you entered into when you signed up to support the club. If you find what you are getting unacceptable the only option you have is to walk away because the club can only be what they are at any point in time. We have been a lot better and we have been a lot worse and currently we are a bit crap. The idea I should find this "unacceptable" just strikes me as a bit weird. To me they are just a bit crap and flouncing around proclaiming it's all just so "unacceptable" strikes me as a bit Little Lord Fauntleroy complaining about a soggy rusk and doesn't make a blind bit of difference anyway - they only way I can't make them any better is by getting behind them. You know - support them. It’s all semantics really but I read the ‘unacceptable’ thing as more irritation/anger at how completely unnecessary our decline has been and how little prospect there is of us arresting it. I think whatever word people use to articulate that feeling, the feeling of frustration itself is understandable. To be a bit crap from the position we were in and the advantages we have is down to complete incompetence and a broken model.
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Post by ParaPsych on Feb 19, 2023 17:51:53 GMT
In the 90s and early 2000s we were often worse than this, yes. But we were also often better. It was if nothing else quite an eventful period. I'm not misty eyed for those day or anything mind, relegation now would be a disaster.
But this feels just like the same mind numbing crap year on year. It's just so damm tedious.
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Post by palerider on Feb 19, 2023 18:16:20 GMT
The worst for me was the season we got thumped by brum 0-7, two goals down before I was in the ground southall around 25 stone,and the waddo invasion.
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Post by westgatelakes on Feb 19, 2023 19:38:04 GMT
Look its been another disappointing performance. Having said that we were the better side (they were wank though). However for me the missing piece of the jigsaw is an alternative option upfront. We're screaming out for that big lad who's going compete with the centre halfs. Someone who's going be able old the ball up and bring the others into the game. Someone who the others can feed off the scraps of. And more importantly some who's going put it about the centre half's a bit. I know we've got issues but for me a good big number 9 would help sort us out. Might even stop us knocking it side to side at the back. Wilmott and Jags are crying out for someone to knock it upto.
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Post by westgatelakes on Feb 19, 2023 19:38:47 GMT
Look its been another disappointing performance. Having said that we were the better side (they were wank though). However for me the missing piece of the jigsaw is an alternative option upfront. We're screaming out for that big lad who's going compete with the centre halfs. Someone who's going be able old the ball up and bring the others into the game. Someone who the others can feed off the scraps of. And more importantly some who's going put it about the centre half's a bit. I know we've got issues but for me a good big number 9 would help sort us out. Might even stop us knocking it side to side at the back. Wilmott and Jags are crying out for someone to knock it upto.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 19, 2023 19:57:48 GMT
Look its been another disappointing performance. Having said that we were the better side (they were wank though). However for me the missing piece of the jigsaw is an alternative option upfront. We're screaming out for that big lad who's going compete with the centre halfs. Someone who's going be able old the ball up and bring the others into the game. Someone who the others can feed off the scraps of. And more importantly some who's going put it about the centre half's a bit. I know we've got issues but for me a good big number 9 would help sort us out. Might even stop us knocking it side to side at the back. Wilmott and Jags are crying out for someone to knock it upto. Lowe is 6ft 3 in isn't he?
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