|
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 17, 2023 15:21:09 GMT
Whut? Some of us at least said we'd give him until christmas and if we were in or near the playoffs we'd keep him. At least for me that was because we could see the squad was getting worse over time, but had hope Laurent could replace Allen and Delap could give us some goals. That doesn't mean I thought the squad was good enough for it, just that MON had been here for 2,5 years and should have been able to build a squad capable of a top 8-10 finish, so if he couldn't get them to perform we'd better get rid. And as you say yourself, he's really poor at building a squad, but pretty good at getting the best out of a group of players. The squad is thin, and missing key pieces, so it's only natural that we employ someone who's good at building a squad. It remains to be seen if AN is that manager. 100% agree mate, I was simply argueing that up to this point I think he would have done better with that squad. Like I said in the last two paragraphs though, building a squad is were he seemed to hit a wall, and with AN I think he's probably better at that side of things and then getting his squad to play how he wants once he has the player. Last night was a huge step in the right direction. I think we were expecting us to do better mainly based on the perception that our forward options were going to be the envy of all non paracute clubs. As it's turned out they just aren't. Even I wouldn't have predicted Dwight Gayle only having one fluke goal by this point in the season and I lambasted his signing.
|
|
|
Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 2, 2023 18:59:53 GMT
Yes.
|
|
|
Post by wonderwall on Dec 2, 2023 19:04:50 GMT
Yes and loads less annoying not listening to to constant bullshit from everyone
|
|
|
Post by onlyonesirstan on Dec 2, 2023 19:06:22 GMT
We will never know that. It's a hypothetical question.
|
|
|
Post by idle on Dec 2, 2023 19:07:31 GMT
Necro threading?
The answer now is probably yes, but it's hard to know. We could have been relegated, we could have signed a whole nother bunch of players in the summer, and this wasn't MONs strong side. Dublin probably wouldn't have been here, and both Rory and the rest of the coaching plunker would have.
|
|
|
Post by vidigal7 on Dec 2, 2023 19:09:46 GMT
Depends if better means playing the game and passing the ball around on the edge of your penalty box and calling it a possession game
|
|
|
Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 2, 2023 19:10:03 GMT
Im sure he would have blooded our talented youth more regularly.
Sadly he was bought in to trim down a bloated squad for ffp purposes and didnt get the opportunity to rebuild one. Instead we let AN do it and it looks like hes flunked it.
|
|
|
Post by suck_the_mop. on Dec 2, 2023 19:10:28 GMT
No, people have short memories it was crap his last 18 months crap now so no better.
|
|
|
Post by spiderpuss on Dec 2, 2023 19:11:08 GMT
Depends who he signed, but you'd imagine yes.
|
|
|
Post by stokiejoe on Dec 2, 2023 19:14:08 GMT
Realquestion is could he have done worse? It will take a huge turnaround to get into top six and very little to be in relegation zone
|
|
|
Post by brizzlestokie on Dec 2, 2023 19:15:36 GMT
Possibly but neither are the man for the job are they. AN being a disaster doesn’t mean we were wrong to sack MON
|
|
|
Post by thedeadlyshart on Dec 2, 2023 19:16:29 GMT
Yeah, obvi, but it wouldn’t have been enough to push us into the top half of the table. MON should have gone sooner, but we should have replaced him with someone better not someone who is worse.
|
|
|
Post by roylandstoke on Dec 2, 2023 19:17:12 GMT
Of course MON would have done better.
The real question is would Mad Nathan have done worse?
|
|
|
Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 2, 2023 19:17:59 GMT
Pointless question, both managers aren’t very good.
End of.
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 2, 2023 19:18:54 GMT
Of course MON would have done better. The real question is would Mad Nathan have done worse? How would MON have done better, he was dog shit and more of a coward than AN.
|
|
|
Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 2, 2023 19:21:27 GMT
Of course MON would have done better. The real question is would Mad Nathan have done worse? How would MON have done better, he was dog shit and more of a coward than AN. The stats say otherwise but doesn't matter at this moment
|
|
|
Post by cdf on Dec 2, 2023 19:22:13 GMT
Alex Neil win ratio: 33.85% Michael O'Neill: 38.46%
|
|
|
Post by iglugluk on Dec 2, 2023 19:24:13 GMT
Who cares? We needed better than him and we definitely need better than the current failure of a manager.
|
|
|
Post by barcaontrent on Dec 2, 2023 19:24:20 GMT
We were undoubtedly better as a team under MON than we are now. And MON had to go when he did.
What does that tell you about how poorly Neil has done since he was appointed ?
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 2, 2023 19:28:24 GMT
How would MON have done better, he was dog shit and more of a coward than AN. The stats say otherwise but doesn't matter at this moment So MON wasn't dog shit?
|
|
|
Post by theonlooker on Dec 2, 2023 19:32:47 GMT
At least he kept it interesting until late February. Neil has us done before Santa's emptied his sack all over the living room floor...
|
|
|
Post by TinkerT on Dec 2, 2023 19:33:31 GMT
Of course MON would have done better. The real question is would Mad Nathan have done worse? I actually.think mad nath would get a tune out of this squad. Certainly wouldn't do any worse.
|
|
|
Post by nonameface on Dec 2, 2023 19:41:28 GMT
Easily. Never wanted him gone.
But Neil is a good manager, his track record tells us that. We've had a clear out and things still aren't working. If we get rid we probably have to do a complete restart again which we cant afford to do.
Previously id have said give Neil time. Not so sure right now
|
|
|
Post by roylandstoke on Dec 2, 2023 19:41:33 GMT
Of course MON would have done better. The real question is would Mad Nathan have done worse? How would MON have done better, he was dog shit and more of a coward than AN. He’d have done better by working hard and making the best of his playing staff. Because of our FFP problems he was never given the resources this clown had been given and consequently had small squads, nevertheless when his players were fit he did get decent results. Have a look at our league positions after 19 games under a competent manager relative to our current position.
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Dec 2, 2023 19:50:20 GMT
We'd have been relegated last season had MON remained in charge.
|
|
|
Post by thisisouryear on Dec 2, 2023 19:50:57 GMT
MON had a better win rate without a pot to piss in whilst he was here. AN has better players and has had money to spend and has us doing much worse. MON's teams rarely lost by more than one goal. MON is a very good manager.
|
|
|
Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 2, 2023 19:53:37 GMT
MON had to go as we needed better. We employed Neil, who I had zero confidence in making us better. The clubs management recruitment has always been terrible in my lifetime bar Hughes
|
|
|
Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 2, 2023 19:59:11 GMT
We need alot better than both if we are to progress as a club and actually challenge in this league. I won't hold my breath.
|
|
|
Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 2, 2023 19:59:44 GMT
The stats say otherwise but doesn't matter at this moment So MON wasn't dog shit? No he wasn't, was steady, no more Did a lot behind the scenes to clear the dog shit Neil then dumped a load of horse shit in its place
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 2, 2023 20:00:07 GMT
How would MON have done better, he was dog shit and more of a coward than AN. He’d have done better by working hard and making the best of his playing staff. Because of our FFP problems he was never given the resources this clown had been given and consequently had small squads, nevertheless when his players were fit he did get decent results. Have a look at our league positions after 19 games under a competent manager relative to our current position. He didn't make the best of it when he was here, why would it be any different now?
|
|