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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2023 14:22:45 GMT
The players he had chosen didn't suit that established (and fairly unsuccessful) way of playing though. What would an MON XI for the first half of the season have looked like? Bursik Wilmot Jagielka (Souttar when fit) Taylor/Fernandes Clarke (Fosu or -gulp - Sparrow until he was fit again) Laurent/Thompson Baker Smallbone (Powell when fit) Fox (Tymon when fit) Brown/Delap Gayle There are enough glaring problems there in goal, at wing back, in midfield and up front to make me think we'd have struggled even when those key men returned. Bonham Jagielka Souttar Fox Clarke Laurant Baker Tymon Gayle Delap That's a pretty solid formation with players in fairly natural positions. MoN tried to play a considered passing game through the midfield and wingbacks - it might not be everyone's cup of tea but it has worked in the past and if we got a fairly consistent team out it could work again with the players he brought in to play that way. The problem is Neil started a few games like that, tried 4 at the back which didn't work, reverted back to 5 at the back and for some reason played a long ball game that didn't suit the players at all and in the last couple of games has started to play to feet again which has been a marginal improvement. Neil has chopped and changed styles with players that don't suit and we haven't bedded the players into a consistent style of play. As a result players we haven't got the best out of the players available - in particular the midfield and wingbacks. As I said it's speculation but I think if those players were asked to play in a way they'd been training for in the close season we'd have got more out of them and we'd be working as a team far better than we are at the moment. And I don't think all those loanees would have gone back leaving the squad so exposed to injury. We had a ridiculous turnover of players in January because MoNs squad wasn't working for Neil. I'm not blaming Neil - it's not his fault he was brought in when he was or inherited a squad that doesn't work for him. However blaming MoN doesn't cut it either - the issue is the circumstances, not the manager. More solid with 10 men than 11?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 14:33:01 GMT
The players he had chosen didn't suit that established (and fairly unsuccessful) way of playing though. What would an MON XI for the first half of the season have looked like? Bursik Wilmot Jagielka (Souttar when fit) Taylor/Fernandes Clarke (Fosu or -gulp - Sparrow until he was fit again) Laurent/Thompson Baker Smallbone (Powell when fit) Fox (Tymon when fit) Brown/Delap Gayle There are enough glaring problems there in goal, at wing back, in midfield and up front to make me think we'd have struggled even when those key men returned. Bonham Jagielka Souttar Fox Clarke Laurant Baker Tymon Gayle Delap That's a pretty solid formation with players in fairly natural positions. MoN tried to play a considered passing game through the midfield and wingbacks - it might not be everyone's cup of tea but it has worked in the past and if we got a fairly consistent team out it could work again with the players he brought in to play that way. The problem is Neil started a few games like that, tried 4 at the back which didn't work, reverted back to 5 at the back and for some reason played a long ball game that didn't suit the players at all and in the last couple of games has started to play to feet again which has been a marginal improvement. Neil has chopped and changed styles with players that don't suit and we haven't bedded the players into a consistent style of play. As a result players we haven't got the best out of the players available - in particular the midfield and wingbacks. As I said it's speculation but I think if those players were asked to play in a way they'd been training for in the close season we'd have got more out of them and we'd be working as a team far better than we are at the moment. And I don't think all those loanees would have gone back leaving the squad so exposed to injury. We had a ridiculous turnover of players in January because MoNs squad wasn't working for Neil. I'm not blaming Neil - it's not his fault he was brought in when he was or inherited a squad that doesn't work for him. However blaming MoN doesn't cut it either - the issue is the circumstances, not the manager. I agree about Neil and the chopping and changing - he seemed to have a reputation for that previously and it seems a bit reactionary. He's had a bit of success with it elsewhere but what we need above all is some stability and I do wonder with hindsight if he was the right man to bring that. Think the team you select would probably be solid but would struggle even more for goals and we'd still not have much between the sticks either. Souttar wouldn't have been available until Nov anyway, but I really didn't rate Clarke and there's a real lack of creativity in there, can't see who would make the bullets or how we'd get the ball to stick up front with no striker to hold the ball up and no attacking mid to link the play. Laurent/Baker still doesn't have much in the way of off-the-ball discipline either.
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 13, 2023 14:41:54 GMT
Absolutely not, the worst pre season I can ever remember followed by a defensive disaster at Millwall on the opening day. A cup exit to Morecambe and anybody who goes into a season with Bursik & Bonham as the first 2 goalkeepers deserves sacking. The longer MON was here the worse we got!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 13, 2023 15:10:37 GMT
Bonham Jagielka Souttar Fox Clarke Laurant Baker Tymon Gayle Delap That's a pretty solid formation with players in fairly natural positions. MoN tried to play a considered passing game through the midfield and wingbacks - it might not be everyone's cup of tea but it has worked in the past and if we got a fairly consistent team out it could work again with the players he brought in to play that way. The problem is Neil started a few games like that, tried 4 at the back which didn't work, reverted back to 5 at the back and for some reason played a long ball game that didn't suit the players at all and in the last couple of games has started to play to feet again which has been a marginal improvement. Neil has chopped and changed styles with players that don't suit and we haven't bedded the players into a consistent style of play. As a result players we haven't got the best out of the players available - in particular the midfield and wingbacks. As I said it's speculation but I think if those players were asked to play in a way they'd been training for in the close season we'd have got more out of them and we'd be working as a team far better than we are at the moment. And I don't think all those loanees would have gone back leaving the squad so exposed to injury. We had a ridiculous turnover of players in January because MoNs squad wasn't working for Neil. I'm not blaming Neil - it's not his fault he was brought in when he was or inherited a squad that doesn't work for him. However blaming MoN doesn't cut it either - the issue is the circumstances, not the manager. I agree about Neil and the chopping and changing - he seemed to have a reputation for that previously and it seems a bit reactionary. He's had a bit of success with it elsewhere but what we need above all is some stability and I do wonder with hindsight if he was the right man to bring that. Think the team you select would probably be solid but would struggle even more for goals and we'd still not have much between the sticks either. Souttar wouldn't have been available until Nov anyway, but I really didn't rate Clarke and there's a real lack of creativity in there, can't see who would make the bullets or how we'd get the ball to stick up front with no striker to hold the ball up and no attacking mid to link the play. Laurent/Baker still doesn't have much in the way of off-the-ball discipline either. I think Neil could get away with being "tactically flexible" if the team had an established baseline formation/style of play - problem is to date we haven't got one. It's hard to judge how well players like Laurent, Clarke, Delap etc would have got on in an MoN team and you can't just assume the way they played under Neil would be representative. Baker and Tymon have been nowhere near as good under Neil as they were at times under MoN so it's not unreasonable to believe that other players might have fared better in a system they were brought in for. Neil's long ball phase certainly made the midfield and wingbacks pretty much redundant and didn't do the players concerned any favours. Whether he was going to get us out of this league or not the one thing MoN did bring was a degree of stability. Any appointment was going to be destabilising to some degree but for me Neil was always going to be more destabilising than most - his approach and style is completely different to MoN. The OP's question was whether we would have done better under MoN and I think there is very good reason to believe we would have done but then I never thought we would do better under Neil with an MoN squad. It's only really a problem for those that thought we would. The real issue is whether we can avoid relegation (touch and go for me, the lack of cover is alarming) and whether Neil can do things with his own squad (I believe he could given a couple of summer windows).
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 15:21:22 GMT
I agree about Neil and the chopping and changing - he seemed to have a reputation for that previously and it seems a bit reactionary. He's had a bit of success with it elsewhere but what we need above all is some stability and I do wonder with hindsight if he was the right man to bring that. Think the team you select would probably be solid but would struggle even more for goals and we'd still not have much between the sticks either. Souttar wouldn't have been available until Nov anyway, but I really didn't rate Clarke and there's a real lack of creativity in there, can't see who would make the bullets or how we'd get the ball to stick up front with no striker to hold the ball up and no attacking mid to link the play. Laurent/Baker still doesn't have much in the way of off-the-ball discipline either. I think Neil could get away with being "tactically flexible" if the team had an established baseline formation/style of play - problem is to date we haven't got one. It's hard to judge how well players like Laurent, Clarke, Delap etc would have got on in an MoN team and you can't just assume the way they played under Neil would be representative. Baker and Tymon have been nowhere near as good under Neil as they were at times under MoN so it's not unreasonable to believe that other players might have fared better in a system they were brought in for. Neil's long ball phase certainly made the midfield and wingbacks pretty much redundant and didn't do the players concerned any favours. Whether he was going to get us out of this league or not the one thing MoN did bring was a degree of stability. Any appointment was going to be destabilising to some degree but for me Neil was always going to be more destabilising than most - his approach and style is completely different to MoN. The OP's question was whether we would have done better under MoN and I think there is very good reason to believe we would have done but then I never thought we would do better under Neil with an MoN squad. It's only really a problem for those that thought we would. The real issue is whether we can avoid relegation (touch and go for me, the lack of cover is alarming) and whether Neil can do things with his own squad (I believe he could given a couple of summer windows). The way we started the season didn't do much to suggest they'd have done well though? Baker was already underperforming and things like Delap not being able to control a football or the Laurent/Baker midfield being too similar too function effectively likely wouldn't have changed. There was nothing in our start to the season to suggest better times were on the horizon and our poor end to last season, complete with run of three wins in 18, really used up the last of his credit in the bank. I'm not sure what stability there was really, we rarely played well throughout 2022 as a calendar year and started the season as a hot mess.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2023 15:54:05 GMT
I agree about Neil and the chopping and changing - he seemed to have a reputation for that previously and it seems a bit reactionary. He's had a bit of success with it elsewhere but what we need above all is some stability and I do wonder with hindsight if he was the right man to bring that. Think the team you select would probably be solid but would struggle even more for goals and we'd still not have much between the sticks either. Souttar wouldn't have been available until Nov anyway, but I really didn't rate Clarke and there's a real lack of creativity in there, can't see who would make the bullets or how we'd get the ball to stick up front with no striker to hold the ball up and no attacking mid to link the play. Laurent/Baker still doesn't have much in the way of off-the-ball discipline either. I think Neil could get away with being "tactically flexible" if the team had an established baseline formation/style of play - problem is to date we haven't got one. It's hard to judge how well players like Laurent, Clarke, Delap etc would have got on in an MoN team and you can't just assume the way they played under Neil would be representative. Baker and Tymon have been nowhere near as good under Neil as they were at times under MoN so it's not unreasonable to believe that other players might have fared better in a system they were brought in for. Neil's long ball phase certainly made the midfield and wingbacks pretty much redundant and didn't do the players concerned any favours. Whether he was going to get us out of this league or not the one thing MoN did bring was a degree of stability. Any appointment was going to be destabilising to some degree but for me Neil was always going to be more destabilising than most - his approach and style is completely different to MoN. The OP's question was whether we would have done better under MoN and I think there is very good reason to believe we would have done but then I never thought we would do better under Neil with an MoN squad. It's only really a problem for those that thought we would. The real issue is whether we can avoid relegation (touch and go for me, the lack of cover is alarming) and whether Neil can do things with his own squad ( I believe he could given a couple of summer windows). I doubt it without significant improvement. He's so unpopular I don't think there would be many complaints if he was sacked if we don't win Wed night but I realise that in no way shape or form would he have had a fair chance, by the end of next season however.
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Post by sticky on Feb 13, 2023 16:01:15 GMT
I don’t think he’d of done any worse….I’m really starting to dislike this group of players
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Post by gawa on Feb 13, 2023 16:11:52 GMT
Of course he would have done better with this group of players. I've seen nothing from Michael's tenure to suggest he'd have done any worse and all the statistics back that up too.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2023 16:15:55 GMT
Of course he would have done better with this group of players. I've seen nothing from Michael's tenure to suggest he'd have done any worse and all the statistics back that up too. The statistics for AN's first 24 games and MON's last 24 are exactly the same bar goals scored and conceded they even both have a -2 goal difference. MON literally scored 4 more goals and conceded 4 more.
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Post by gawa on Feb 13, 2023 16:21:20 GMT
Of course he would have done better with this group of players. I've seen nothing from Michael's tenure to suggest he'd have done any worse and all the statistics back that up too. The statistics for AN's first 24 games and MON's last 24 are exactly the same bar goals scored and conceded they even both have a -2 goal difference. MON literally scored 4 more goals and conceded 4 more. But Michael had a lot more injuries to contend with in contrast to Alex for those last 24 games. And even players such as Fosu, Clarke and Delap barely featured for him too. Alex has had full squads to pick from
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 16:23:15 GMT
The statistics for AN's first 24 games and MON's last 24 are exactly the same bar goals scored and conceded they even both have a -2 goal difference. MON literally scored 4 more goals and conceded 4 more. But Michael had a lot more injuries to contend with in contrast to Alex for those last 24 games. And even players such as Fosu, Clarke and Delap barely featured for him too. Alex has had full squads to pick from What would an MON team with a fully fit squad to pick from look like, do you reckon?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 16:28:20 GMT
Pointless conversation but fuck it....
Yes is my answer. We at least saw some decent football under O'Neil and at times looked a decent Championship outfit. All too few and far between but there's no question in my mind that Neil has completely stank the place out since being here and we are an utter bore to watch all the time under him, whereas it was only some of the time under O'Neil.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 16:30:34 GMT
Of course he would have done better with this group of players. I've seen nothing from Michael's tenure to suggest he'd have done any worse and all the statistics back that up too. The statistics for AN's first 24 games and MON's last 24 are exactly the same bar goals scored and conceded they even both have a -2 goal difference. MON literally scored 4 more goals and conceded 4 more. So better off under MON by virtue of goals scored then. Happy days.........
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Post by gawa on Feb 13, 2023 16:41:46 GMT
But Michael had a lot more injuries to contend with in contrast to Alex for those last 24 games. And even players such as Fosu, Clarke and Delap barely featured for him too. Alex has had full squads to pick from What would an MON team with a fully fit squad to pick from look like, do you reckon? Bursik (unfortunately) Clarke Taylor Souttar Wilmot Tymon Laurent Baker Powell Brown/Campbell Gayle/Delap Would be my guess. Didn't see enough of fosu, kilkenny or Delap under him to know how he'd utilise them. Presume DWP, Tezgel, Taylor etc. Would have got more minutes too. Alexs handling of youth prospects has been dire.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 16:42:59 GMT
What would an MON team with a fully fit squad to pick from look like, do you reckon? Bursik (unfortunately) Clarke Taylor Souttar Wilmot Tymon Laurent Baker Powell Brown/Campbell Gayle/Delap Would be my guess. Didn't see enough of fosu, kilkenny or Delap under him to know how he'd utilise them. Presume DWP, Taylor, Tezgel, Taylor etc. Would have got more minutes too. Alexs handling of youth prospects has been dire. So still really the same issues in goal, at RWB, in midfield and up front...
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Post by iamstokie on Feb 13, 2023 16:47:28 GMT
Let’s face it both are very poor managers for us
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2023 16:51:36 GMT
The statistics for AN's first 24 games and MON's last 24 are exactly the same bar goals scored and conceded they even both have a -2 goal difference. MON literally scored 4 more goals and conceded 4 more. So better off under MON by virtue of goals scored then. Happy days......... Every time for me. The more eventful the games the better. I know you only get 1pt just the same but I'd rather watch a 3-3 draw than a borefest 0-0.
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Post by kjpt140v on Feb 13, 2023 16:54:38 GMT
Nobody know. Different players picked, different players open to injuries, nobody would ever know.
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Post by lordb on Feb 13, 2023 16:59:12 GMT
I hate these hypothetical questions Rowett- Spent all the transfer kitty on utter rubbish, putting the club back years Jones- Talked like his was the 2nd coming of Christ, gave his tactics away before he started to the opposition so was easy to work out O'Neil- Bought in lots of players, consigned players to the bin after very little chance stuck with a losing formation Neil- Carrying on O'Neils ethos on 5-3-2 Answer is who knows but probably not, each deserved the sack when it came None of them seems to learn from past mistakes though and John Cotes keeps allowing these same mistakes to happen Perhaps it is time for a re-think with a head coach just in charge of coaching the team and a transfer team headed up by someone with equal powers to the head coach. I think that is a greater question that needs answering agree with a lot of this post however 'time for a re-think with a head coach just in charge of coaching the team and a transfer team headed up by someone with equal powers to the head coach.' I think that would be utter carnage, potential to make things even worse than they are someone has to be in charge coaches given players they don't want would result in multiple head coaches a season
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Post by trotter1980 on Feb 13, 2023 17:03:52 GMT
What would’ve gone better do you think? Powell would have started another 6/7 games by now……. So if O’Neil stays Powell stops getting injured each week.
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Post by trotter1980 on Feb 13, 2023 17:11:42 GMT
It is obvious that you are unable to recognise an argument and it is clear that that you had access to the clubs data when you were able to tell everybody that the team was unfit. I We were staring relegation in the face when he arrived. We weren't when he left. We still aren't at the moment. Only a fool would attempt to deny that MON left the club in far better shape than he found it. I hope that we will be able to say the same about ALEX NEIl. I think you are getting your managers mixed up .MON didn't sign unfit players. But Alex did sign 2 players out of his 5 that haven't been able to play due to injuries. No but he was the one who let Tommy Smith go and only signed one right back in Clarke and then panic signed Fosu as a right wing back when he was a left winger when Clarke got injured. I agree what o’Neil did was to great but I think last summers signings were fuck ups apart from Laurent. We weren't in a relegation with O’Neil when he left because it was August but with what he brought I believe we would of been.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 17:35:29 GMT
Powell would have started another 6/7 games by now……. So if O’Neil stays Powell stops getting injured each week. For the third time, he was available for 13 games before his injury at Sheff Utd and Neil chose to start him in 4 of them.........
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Post by stantheman on Feb 13, 2023 17:39:34 GMT
MON was able to get a tune out of Baker, Brown, Tymon and to some extent Campbell. These player have gone off the boil massively, although injuries (Brown) has been an issue. Alex Neal would say that this squad has very few players that are his, and that he needs time. I think we would be in a slightly better position under MON as things stand, but not by much
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 13, 2023 17:56:51 GMT
I have a gut feeling that MON was prepared to cajole and talk to players like Tymon, Baker, Campbell, Powell and find out what their feelings were. I suspect Neil says, "This is the way we play, this is what I want you to do. If you don't like it you can f-off." and several of those players have in their own heads.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2023 18:06:41 GMT
I hate these hypothetical questions Rowett- Spent all the transfer kitty on utter rubbish, putting the club back years Jones- Talked like his was the 2nd coming of Christ, gave his tactics away before he started to the opposition so was easy to work out O'Neil- Bought in lots of players, consigned players to the bin after very little chance stuck with a losing formation Neil- Carrying on O'Neils ethos on 5-3-2 Answer is who knows but probably not, each deserved the sack when it came None of them seems to learn from past mistakes though and John Cotes keeps allowing these same mistakes to happen Perhaps it is time for a re-think with a head coach just in charge of coaching the team and a transfer team headed up by someone with equal powers to the head coach. I think that is a greater question that needs answering agree with a lot of this post however 'time for a re-think with a head coach just in charge of coaching the team and a transfer team headed up by someone with equal powers to the head coach.' I think that would be utter carnage, potential to make things even worse than they are someone has to be in charge coaches given players they don't want would result in multiple head coaches a seasonCoaches have had players chosen for them for years abroad, is their turnover any worse than here.
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Post by gawa on Feb 13, 2023 18:50:00 GMT
Bursik (unfortunately) Clarke Taylor Souttar Wilmot Tymon Laurent Baker Powell Brown/Campbell Gayle/Delap Would be my guess. Didn't see enough of fosu, kilkenny or Delap under him to know how he'd utilise them. Presume DWP, Taylor, Tezgel, Taylor etc. Would have got more minutes too. Alexs handling of youth prospects has been dire. So still really the same issues in goal, at RWB, in midfield and up front... Except it felt like Oneill got a better tune out of a lot of those players imo. Whereas I'd struggle to think of one player whose improved under AN. For what it's worth someone like MC would have gotten more out of the squad than both managers. And also AN two big signings this window haven't played so they could be the difference too. Good to see him being backed in the loan market too as would rather experienced players like Pearson and Axel who cost more than a few youth players who haven't proven themselves.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 13, 2023 22:32:53 GMT
I liked him as a bloke and looking at the overall picture on the back of Rowett and Jones I’d rate the job he did as 7/10. It can’t just be about the product on the pitch when a club is nosediving with serious financial issues on the horizon even though ultimately that’s what the majority of fans care about at 3 o clock on a Saturday. As always it’s a difficult debate as no one ever knows what the alternative would have brought but without him I could quite easily see us languishing in mid-table in League One now. Did we kick on like I would have liked? No, although I never saw us as anymore than a team finishing upper/low mid-table. Did he make mistakes tactically and with recruitment? Of course but without knowing the inner workings it’s difficult to know how many players were his number one targets and how many were a bi-product of our situation. Did he improve players? Yes, Tymon was cast aside and would now bring in a healthy transfer fee, the Souttar was handled perfectly and has brought us in good money, Baker was in the doldrums and played really well in the main under him and would again bring us in good money. Powell was a mainstay and even out on the left in a 4-3-3 (a pet hate of yours) was a real goal scoring threat for us. Campbell had one foot out of the door, and wouldn’t be here without MON. Tezgel’s parents have mentioned the role he played in ensuring he stayed. Did we lose key players at key times? Absolutely, the loss of Souttar and Powell last season derailed our season I’m convinced of that. If you think back to that West Brom home game and games such as Forest at home/Swansea away we looked like a proper team with a plan. Fletcher sliding into the advertising hoardings, Campbell against Cardiff when he looked like a top Championship forward, were all a proper kick in the balls. The club has never be healthier in terms of youth development, MON played his part in that by promoting youngsters, FFP had been avoided (partly thanks to Covid I would suggest) and we should be able to look forward finally this summer and have a clean slate. Sometimes a a manager does the dirty work that helps the club move forward and other reap the rewards, I think history will judge MON’s tenure kindly. I think some of that is fair and some of it is overly generous. Agree that he seems like a good bloke and that his promotion of youth, resurrection of Tymon and use of Souttar, Campbell, even DWP were to his credit. I think his transfer dealings even given the situation were dodgy - FFP removed our advantages over other clubs in the division but teams with very little budget managed to use the market better than we did, and the likes of Surridge et al should never have been on our targets list to begin with. I also don't see why he continually moved away from 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 and was so obsessed with a back three/wing-back system (that he then failed to recruit to). Just as I don't see why Neil feels the need to persist with it. Most of MON's best football was played using a back four but he seemed determined to shift away from that. Out of interest, what would it have taken for you to conclude that MON's time was up? I still don't understand how anyone could see how good we were his first half season then decide to completely rip it up, I know we had to be rid of a few but but that didn't mean we couldn't recruit for a set up that clearly worked. And that ended any hope for me that he was going to get us where we wanted to be.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 22:35:22 GMT
I think some of that is fair and some of it is overly generous. Agree that he seems like a good bloke and that his promotion of youth, resurrection of Tymon and use of Souttar, Campbell, even DWP were to his credit. I think his transfer dealings even given the situation were dodgy - FFP removed our advantages over other clubs in the division but teams with very little budget managed to use the market better than we did, and the likes of Surridge et al should never have been on our targets list to begin with. I also don't see why he continually moved away from 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 and was so obsessed with a back three/wing-back system (that he then failed to recruit to). Just as I don't see why Neil feels the need to persist with it. Most of MON's best football was played using a back four but he seemed determined to shift away from that. Out of interest, what would it have taken for you to conclude that MON's time was up? I still don't understand how anyone could see how good we were his first half season then decide to completely rip it up, I know we had to be rid of a few but but that didn't mean we couldn't recruit for a set up that clearly worked. And that ended any hope for me that he was going to get us where we wanted to be. I think he got spooked by those couple of batterings by Derby and Wigan, and despite us overall looking better and more capable of dishing out our fair share of tonkings playing that way, and accepting the odd one back was just the trade-off, he went for something altogether more tedious.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 13, 2023 23:31:13 GMT
MON was a likeable man. Alex Neil is the polar opposite.
If someone told me we’d sack MON and replace him with Alex Neil I’d have been more than happy to stick rather than twist.
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Post by hotpot on Feb 14, 2023 4:21:11 GMT
Pretty rich of AN to expect that MON's signings are gonna bust a gut for him, and/or the future of the club. If AN wants his own players, then he should have bloody well fielded those players the very day he brought in, to save his skin. If they are not instant fit to start, then AN should not have got them in the first place. Come summer, it will be another chop and change exercise. The players we now have, who are without firm contracts, will probably just go through the motions. There is no target left. If the plan to bring in AN to get into the playoffs at least, then IMO, it has sadly failed.
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