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Post by mr on Jul 16, 2023 8:46:11 GMT
What’s the rationale for why he didn’t play yesterday? Couple of weeks behind the others in terms of fitness.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 16, 2023 9:06:28 GMT
but that could be any player , managers always have player they like and players they don’t , even goal keepers , so on your thinking we only sign players on 6 month contracts as that’s how often we change managers from the start of a season 😂😂😂 When you can't find a rational way to discuss in an intelligent manner you turn to ridiculing and falsifying my statement. Seems to me iamstoke was making a very valid point. Managers have differing styles they want their teams to play and it is valid to argue that almost any player might be key to one manager and surplus to the requirements of another. So you COULD argue that it is a risk buying any player on that basis. But if you didn't buy players (unless you have academy graduates who are as good or better) then you would never get promoted. Pearson transformed the way we play last season and I (and probably most Stokies) are delighted he will be playing for us next season. If some manager in the future doesn't like or need him that is a bridge we must cross when we come to it and not before.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2023 9:13:11 GMT
What’s the rationale for why he didn’t play yesterday? Couple of weeks behind the others in terms of fitness. Ah ok. Tad worrying given last season but hopefully he can catch up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2023 9:16:25 GMT
When you can't find a rational way to discuss in an intelligent manner you turn to ridiculing and falsifying my statement. Seems to me iamstoke was making a very valid point. Managers have differing styles they want their teams to play and it is valid to argue that almost any player might be key to one manager and surplus to the requirements of another. So you COULD argue that it is a risk buying any player on that basis. But if you didn't buy players (unless you have academy graduates who are as good or better) then you would never get promoted. Pearson transformed the way we play last season and I (and probably most Stokies) are delighted he will be playing for us next season. If some manager in the future doesn't like or need him that is a bridge we must cross when we come to it and not before. Did he “transform” us? We were pretty shit throughout. He added in a level of protection for the back 4 for sure but also made more mistakes in half a season than most of the team in the full season. Our results overall didn’t seem to get better. The performances overall didn’t improve. The results didn’t either. Now I’m happy he’s back because I think he’s a damn good player for this league but I thought overall he was way below his usual last season. Fitness is clearly an issue though so hopefully he can beasted from now and get with it.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Jul 16, 2023 9:27:51 GMT
Seems to me iamstoke was making a very valid point. Managers have differing styles they want their teams to play and it is valid to argue that almost any player might be key to one manager and surplus to the requirements of another. So you COULD argue that it is a risk buying any player on that basis. But if you didn't buy players (unless you have academy graduates who are as good or better) then you would never get promoted. Pearson transformed the way we play last season and I (and probably most Stokies) are delighted he will be playing for us next season. If some manager in the future doesn't like or need him that is a bridge we must cross when we come to it and not before. Did he “transform” us? We were pretty shit throughout. He added in a level of protection for the back 4 for sure but also made more mistakes in half a season than most of the team in the full season. Our results overall didn’t seem to get better. The performances overall didn’t improve. The results didn’t either. Now I’m happy he’s back because I think he’s a damn good player for this league but I thought overall he was way below his usual last season. Fitness is clearly an issue though so hopefully he can beasted from now and get with it. Honest question, which goals was he at fault for in your mind? It would be interesting to see if this an off the cuff false comment/ a feeling or something backed up with fact. If it's off the cuff then we have to consider a lot of your posts as off the cuff and can be handled as 'shit bin' posts. Let's then cross examine it against GK errors, Sticker missed chances etc Brown, Delap, Bonham, Bursik... but also made more mistakes in half a season than most of the team in the full season
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2023 9:30:52 GMT
Did he “transform” us? We were pretty shit throughout. He added in a level of protection for the back 4 for sure but also made more mistakes in half a season than most of the team in the full season. Our results overall didn’t seem to get better. The performances overall didn’t improve. The results didn’t either. Now I’m happy he’s back because I think he’s a damn good player for this league but I thought overall he was way below his usual last season. Fitness is clearly an issue though so hopefully he can beasted from now and get with it. Honest question, which goals was he at fault for in your mind? It would be interesting to see if this an off the cuff false comment/ a feeling or something backed up with fact. If it's off the cuff then we have to consider a lot of your posts as off the cuff and can be handled as 'shit bin' posts. Let's then cross examine it against GK errors, Sticker missed chances etc Brown, Delap, Bonham, Bursik... but also made more mistakes in half a season than most of the team in the full season There were 3/4 where he gave the ball away or shit out of tackles. I can’t remember exactly because well I can’t remember most of last season now but they definitely happened and it was very poor play. They were all shit too yes.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 16, 2023 9:32:55 GMT
Seems to me iamstoke was making a very valid point. Managers have differing styles they want their teams to play and it is valid to argue that almost any player might be key to one manager and surplus to the requirements of another. So you COULD argue that it is a risk buying any player on that basis. But if you didn't buy players (unless you have academy graduates who are as good or better) then you would never get promoted. Pearson transformed the way we play last season and I (and probably most Stokies) are delighted he will be playing for us next season. If some manager in the future doesn't like or need him that is a bridge we must cross when we come to it and not before. Did he “transform” us? We were pretty shit throughout. He added in a level of protection for the back 4 for sure but also made more mistakes in half a season than most of the team in the full season. Our results overall didn’t seem to get better. The performances overall didn’t improve. The results didn’t either. Now I’m happy he’s back because I think he’s a damn good player for this league but I thought overall he was way below his usual last season. Fitness is clearly an issue though so hopefully he can beasted from now and get with it. I think he did improve us, we went on a decent run to pull from the danger zone which was far better than how we played previously that season but then performances flattened out, I thought mainly because of our poor we were in two key positions, in goal and at Central striker. Looks like Sarkic is sorted, but we cannot start the season without a proper central striker who is a threat, otherwise there are limits to what the rest of the team can do, we have been completely toothless for so long
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Post by mr on Jul 16, 2023 9:46:36 GMT
Did he “transform” us? We were pretty shit throughout. He added in a level of protection for the back 4 for sure but also made more mistakes in half a season than most of the team in the full season. Our results overall didn’t seem to get better. The performances overall didn’t improve. The results didn’t either. Now I’m happy he’s back because I think he’s a damn good player for this league but I thought overall he was way below his usual last season. Fitness is clearly an issue though so hopefully he can beasted from now and get with it. Honest question, which goals was he at fault for in your mind? It would be interesting to see if this an off the cuff false comment/ a feeling or something backed up with fact. If it's off the cuff then we have to consider a lot of your posts as off the cuff and can be handled as 'shit bin' posts. Let's then cross examine it against GK errors, Sticker missed chances etc Brown, Delap, Bonham, Bursik... but also made more mistakes in half a season than most of the team in the full season I think Pearson improved us last season overall but he was definitely at fault for a few goals where he was caught on the ball in the middle of the pitch with hardly any protection behind him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2023 9:49:08 GMT
Did he “transform” us? We were pretty shit throughout. He added in a level of protection for the back 4 for sure but also made more mistakes in half a season than most of the team in the full season. Our results overall didn’t seem to get better. The performances overall didn’t improve. The results didn’t either. Now I’m happy he’s back because I think he’s a damn good player for this league but I thought overall he was way below his usual last season. Fitness is clearly an issue though so hopefully he can beasted from now and get with it. I think he did improve us, we went on a decent run to pull from the danger zone which was far better than how we played previously that season but then performances flattened out, I thought mainly because of our poor we were in two key positions, in goal and at Central striker. Looks like Sarkic is sorted, but we cannot start the season without a proper central striker who is a threat, otherwise there are limits to what the rest of the team can do, we have been completely toothless for so long Like I say I’m really pleased he’s signed but I think he’s a bit overstated from last season. But he was still one of the better players. And again I just hope he gets fit so we can see the best version of him.
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Post by questionable on Jul 16, 2023 9:52:19 GMT
Honest question, which goals was he at fault for in your mind? It would be interesting to see if this an off the cuff false comment/ a feeling or something backed up with fact. If it's off the cuff then we have to consider a lot of your posts as off the cuff and can be handled as 'shit bin' posts. Let's then cross examine it against GK errors, Sticker missed chances etc Brown, Delap, Bonham, Bursik... but also made more mistakes in half a season than most of the team in the full season There were 3/4 where he gave the ball away or shit out of tackles. I can’t remember exactly because well I can’t remember most of last season now but they definitely happened and it was very poor play. They were all shit too yes. Christ above give it a rest now. 100% improvement on the likes of Thompson and Baker, recall one absolute howler when he got caught in possession, fell over and feigned injury rather pathetically and yes it resulted in a goal but other than that a solid acquisition for this league. The likes of Thompson and last seasons Baker were awful and embarrassing, countless awful passes and shitting out of tackles but you point out Pearson’s 3/4, whilst we’re at it he’s far superior to Laurent who had an handful of good games. Excellent signing and the little shit we need who also influences referees
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Jul 16, 2023 9:53:05 GMT
Honest question, which goals was he at fault for in your mind? It would be interesting to see if this an off the cuff false comment/ a feeling or something backed up with fact. If it's off the cuff then we have to consider a lot of your posts as off the cuff and can be handled as 'shit bin' posts. Let's then cross examine it against GK errors, Sticker missed chances etc Brown, Delap, Bonham, Bursik... but also made more mistakes in half a season than most of the team in the full season There were 3/4 where he gave the ball away or shit out of tackles. I can’t remember exactly because well I can’t remember most of last season now but they definitely happened and it was very poor play. They were all shit too yes. Thanks. In a round about it answered my post.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2023 9:56:13 GMT
There were 3/4 where he gave the ball away or shit out of tackles. I can’t remember exactly because well I can’t remember most of last season now but they definitely happened and it was very poor play. They were all shit too yes. Christ above give it a rest now. 100% improvement on the likes of Thompson and Baker, recall one absolute howler when he got caught in possession, fell over and feigned injury rather pathetically and yes it resulted in a goal but other than that a solid acquisition for this league. The likes of Thompson and last seasons Baker were awful and embarrassing, countless awful passes and shitting out of tackles but you point out Pearson’s 3/4, whilst we’re at it he’s far superior to Laurent who had an handful of good games. Excellent signing and the little shit we need who also influences referees None of what I’ve said is wrong though and I’ve said he’s a good signing. 🤣🤣 And he is an improvement on them agreed. Laurent is dogshit too. And yes I am because he got different treatment to the others because his name is Ben Pearson. I did the same at the time and it’s hypocritical and not the way we should be looking at it. The mistakes he made were really really poor and he needs to cut them out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2023 9:57:35 GMT
There were 3/4 where he gave the ball away or shit out of tackles. I can’t remember exactly because well I can’t remember most of last season now but they definitely happened and it was very poor play. They were all shit too yes. Thanks. In a round about it answered my post. Because I can’t remember the exact games they happened means fuck all 🤣
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Post by AlliG on Jul 16, 2023 10:38:31 GMT
When you can't find a rational way to discuss in an intelligent manner you turn to ridiculing and falsifying my statement. Seems to me iamstoke was making a very valid point. Managers have differing styles they want their teams to play and it is valid to argue that almost any player might be key to one manager and surplus to the requirements of another. So you COULD argue that it is a risk buying any player on that basis. But if you didn't buy players (unless you have academy graduates who are as good or better) then you would never get promoted. Pearson transformed the way we play last season and I (and probably most Stokies) are delighted he will be playing for us next season. If some manager in the future doesn't like or need him that is a bridge we must cross when we come to it and not before. Agree that there is no point in worrying about who a future manager might or might not like or want in his team. The point that puzzled me in the original post was the poster saying that a manager like MON definitely wouldn't want Pearson in his team because he didn't want to play with a defensive midfielder. I am wondering what he thought Jon-Obi Mikel was as he seemed to be the first name on MON's teamsheet during the season we all missed. I can't think of anything that Pearson can't do much better than the version of Mikel we had that season.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jul 16, 2023 10:39:38 GMT
Did he “transform” us? We were pretty shit throughout. He added in a level of protection for the back 4 for sure but also made more mistakes in half a season than most of the team in the full season. Our results overall didn’t seem to get better. The performances overall didn’t improve. The results didn’t either. Now I’m happy he’s back because I think he’s a damn good player for this league but I thought overall he was way below his usual last season. Fitness is clearly an issue though so hopefully he can beasted from now and get with it. I think he did improve us, we went on a decent run to pull from the danger zone which was far better than how we played previously that season but then performances flattened out, I thought mainly because of our poor we were in two key positions, in goal and at Central striker. Looks like Sarkic is sorted, but we cannot start the season without a proper central striker who is a threat, otherwise there are limits to what the rest of the team can do, we have been completely toothless for so long He definitely improved us.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2023 10:45:49 GMT
Seems to me iamstoke was making a very valid point. Managers have differing styles they want their teams to play and it is valid to argue that almost any player might be key to one manager and surplus to the requirements of another. So you COULD argue that it is a risk buying any player on that basis. But if you didn't buy players (unless you have academy graduates who are as good or better) then you would never get promoted. Pearson transformed the way we play last season and I (and probably most Stokies) are delighted he will be playing for us next season. If some manager in the future doesn't like or need him that is a bridge we must cross when we come to it and not before. Agree that there is no point in worrying about who a future manager might or might not like or want in his team. The point that puzzled me in the original post was the poster saying that a manager like MON definitely wouldn't want Pearson in his team because he didn't want to play with a defensive midfielder. I am wondering what he thought Jon-Obi Mikel was as he seemed to be the first name on MON's teamsheet during the season we all missed. I can't think of anything that Pearson can't do much better than the version of Mikel we had that season. MoN said he didn’t want a defensive midfielder. It was a comment that should have struck alarm bells everywhere but it was shrugged off.
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Post by AlliG on Jul 16, 2023 10:49:48 GMT
Agree that there is no point in worrying about who a future manager might or might not like or want in his team. The point that puzzled me in the original post was the poster saying that a manager like MON definitely wouldn't want Pearson in his team because he didn't want to play with a defensive midfielder. I am wondering what he thought Jon-Obi Mikel was as he seemed to be the first name on MON's teamsheet during the season we all missed. I can't think of anything that Pearson can't do much better than the version of Mikel we had that season. MoN said he didn’t want a defensive midfielder. It was a comment that should have struck alarm bells everywhere but it was shrugged off. He did, but, then explain how and why Mikel was the first player on his teamsheet?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2023 10:53:42 GMT
MoN said he didn’t want a defensive midfielder. It was a comment that should have struck alarm bells everywhere but it was shrugged off. He did, but, then explain how and why Mikel was the first player on his teamsheet? He didn’t really play as a DM did he? He was box to box and attacked a lot better than he defended. He was shit for us too.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 16, 2023 10:57:19 GMT
Mikel was dreadful. Didn’t play as a DM, offered zero protection to the back four, him and Allen together was horrendous as a midfield combo.
Jordan Cousins was twice as good as him by virtue of just being the jobbing, basic DM the role actually required. Then MON dropped him and our run of clean sheets immediately ground to a halt and our form fell of a cliff.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 16, 2023 11:38:55 GMT
Mikel was dreadful. Didn’t play as a DM, offered zero protection to the back four, him and Allen together was horrendous as a midfield combo. Jordan Cousins was twice as good as him by virtue of just being the jobbing, basic DM the role actually required. Then MON dropped him and our run of clean sheets immediately ground to a halt and our form fell of a cliff. Would also be rude not to mention that run of clean sheets coincided with the return of James Chester to the team…….
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 16, 2023 11:50:29 GMT
Mikel was dreadful. Didn’t play as a DM, offered zero protection to the back four, him and Allen together was horrendous as a midfield combo. Jordan Cousins was twice as good as him by virtue of just being the jobbing, basic DM the role actually required. Then MON dropped him and our run of clean sheets immediately ground to a halt and our form fell of a cliff. Would also be rude not to mention that run of clean sheets coincided with the return of James Chester to the team……. Not sure how relevant it is to the discussion but I don’t have an issue with the suggestion. He had a decent run of games around that time.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 16, 2023 12:05:39 GMT
Would also be rude not to mention that run of clean sheets coincided with the return of James Chester to the team……. Not sure how relevant it is to the discussion but I don’t have an issue with the suggestion. He had a decent run of games around that time. It’s relevant in the sense that there are many variables when it comes to changes in results. We didn’t score many goals either, it’s that balance between defence and attack which I maintain is the hardest thing in coaching to get right……
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 16, 2023 12:07:58 GMT
Not sure how relevant it is to the discussion but I don’t have an issue with the suggestion. He had a decent run of games around that time. It’s relevant in the sense that there are many variables when it comes to changes in results. We didn’t score many goals either, it’s that balance between defence and attack which I maintain is the hardest think in coaching to get right…… Indeed. Deciding you won’t bother with a defensive midfielder is certainly an interesting approach when it comes to that balance.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 16, 2023 12:08:24 GMT
I'm hoping Pearson will be better this season , hopefully fitter and looks like he will have Johnson in the midfield with him who he knows , certainly better than what we have so can help us do a bit better , not sure he is top of this division level but we are miles off that so if he helps us inot the top half it will be an improvement .
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 16, 2023 12:20:04 GMT
It’s relevant in the sense that there are many variables when it comes to changes in results. We didn’t score many goals either, it’s that balance between defence and attack which I maintain is the hardest think in coaching to get right…… Indeed. Deciding you won’t bother with a defensive midfielder is certainly an interesting approach when it comes to that balance. Well we got 2 points from 18 at the end of last season with a bona fide defensive midfielder so let’s hope we can hit the ground running this coming season…….
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Post by idle on Jul 16, 2023 12:21:56 GMT
There were 3/4 where he gave the ball away or shit out of tackles. I can’t remember exactly because well I can’t remember most of last season now but they definitely happened and it was very poor play. Sure, he made 3-4 mistakes leading to goals, but he stopped way more attacks than our midfielders have since 2015. He transformed us so that it wasn't possible to just play through our midfield like they weren't there, which happened (and still happens) when Thompson, Baker, Laurent, and even Allen, played there. And if you think Laurent is dogshit, you need to put your finger in the dirt and see who we are. We're a bad lower-half championship team. Pearson is the best we can hope for in this transfer window, until we're top half/top six and players want to come here again. Although maybe a youngster from L1/L2/abroad could come and be successful, but that is much more of a gamble.
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Post by idle on Jul 16, 2023 12:24:13 GMT
Indeed. Deciding you won’t bother with a defensive midfielder is certainly an interesting approach when it comes to that balance. Well we got 2 points from 18 at the end of last season with a bona fide defensive midfielder so let’s hope we can hit the ground running this coming season……. Well, we also didn't have a goalie, our two best centrebacks were injured and we had a striker who couldn't score... Horrible end to the season, but I'm hopeful for a better start.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2023 12:34:49 GMT
There were 3/4 where he gave the ball away or shit out of tackles. I can’t remember exactly because well I can’t remember most of last season now but they definitely happened and it was very poor play. Sure, he made 3-4 mistakes leading to goals, but he stopped way more attacks than our midfielders have since 2015. He transformed us so that it wasn't possible to just play through our midfield like they weren't there, which happened (and still happens) when Thompson, Baker, Laurent, and even Allen, played there. And if you think Laurent is dogshit, you need to put your finger in the dirt and see who we are. We're a bad lower-half championship team. Pearson is the best we can hope for in this transfer window, until we're top half/top six and players want to come here again. Although maybe a youngster from L1/L2/abroad could come and be successful, but that is much more of a gamble. Never disagreed with most of your first paragraph. Laurent is so overrated it’s untrue. He’s a real cult hero almost and like most cult heroes, they’re not that good at football. And we are a bad lower level Champo club because of the likes of Josh Laurent playing regularly 🤣
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 16, 2023 12:38:45 GMT
Sure, he made 3-4 mistakes leading to goals, but he stopped way more attacks than our midfielders have since 2015. He transformed us so that it wasn't possible to just play through our midfield like they weren't there, which happened (and still happens) when Thompson, Baker, Laurent, and even Allen, played there. And if you think Laurent is dogshit, you need to put your finger in the dirt and see who we are. We're a bad lower-half championship team. Pearson is the best we can hope for in this transfer window, until we're top half/top six and players want to come here again. Although maybe a youngster from L1/L2/abroad could come and be successful, but that is much more of a gamble. Never disagreed with most of your first paragraph. Laurent is so overrated it’s untrue. He’s a real cult hero almost and like most cult heroes, they’re not that good at football. And we are a bad lower level Champo club because of the likes of Josh Laurent playing regularly 🤣 Signings like Pearson and Johnson will elevate us to and average mid table championship club. Depressing. I'll caveat it by saying they are welcome additions to the squad but I'm not expecting miracles.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2023 12:43:30 GMT
Never disagreed with most of your first paragraph. Laurent is so overrated it’s untrue. He’s a real cult hero almost and like most cult heroes, they’re not that good at football. And we are a bad lower level Champo club because of the likes of Josh Laurent playing regularly 🤣 Signings like Pearson and Johnson will elevate us to and average mid table championship club. Depressing. I'll caveat it by saying they are welcome additions to the squad but I'm not expecting miracles. Agree re Johnson. Amusing to see people think he’ll be a squad player/back up. I just don’t see anything but him starting when he can. I’d like to think we can do better than that. But he’s better than the bloke that played there regularly last season.
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