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Post by Veritas on Jul 18, 2023 15:48:19 GMT
I think we've done the dirty on Sarkic. There were probably always reservations about his injuries but we thought he was the best we could get and worth the risk. Maybe we've been alerted to the availability of Travers or Iverson and changed our minds. If that is the case watch Travers break his leg in his first game for us. I doubt it very much it would be the polar opposite of how we have behaved as a club over the last 15 years.
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Post by mrrine on Jul 18, 2023 15:58:32 GMT
I think we've done the dirty on Sarkic. There were probably always reservations about his injuries but we thought he was the best we could get and worth the risk. Maybe we've been alerted to the availability of Travers or Iverson and changed our minds. If that is the case watch Travers break his leg in his first game for us. It's messy for sure. You'd imagine Millwall etc would have no problems signing him on that basis, strongly suspect he'll go there asap.
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Post by pavel on Jul 18, 2023 16:05:51 GMT
You personalised it by condescending using the sigh, which I aimed at the club but not at any poster, that’s why I replied to your nonsense. You don’t seem to understand the basics of a process from start to finish and all you can do is insult if you don’t get your own way. Yep I want to close it down because I don’t want a thread spoilt by a continual back and forth on a minor point, it’s boring and also because I can’t be arsed continually replying to know alls like yourself who wouldn’t know debate if it dropped on their head. So let me get this right - you want the freedom to have a pop at the club and deny others the right to point out that your reasoning on the matter doesn't make sense because you don't like being criticized for having a pop at the club for no good reason? Good luck with that. This is the last time I will reply to you, you are not the sole arbiter of what is right or wrong, even if you think you are. Yet again you are changing your story to suit your view. I think if the club had doubts about Sarkic and it seems it did we shouldn’t have pursued him as first choice, that is where the process is wrong in my opinion, nothing to do with medicals etc and I have said that all along. If that’s a pop at the club for no good reason we’ll I’m gobsmacked, you seem to be hypersensitive to any criticism of the club no matter how slight, I’m sure the club can take it though. You can criticise me all you like but get your story right and consistent and my reasoning is fine thank you, I’ve made it quite plain and simple for you. I’m not denying others (which I take it means just you) to disagree and criticise me on the thread. You’ve made your point, I don’t agree with it but that’s life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 16:16:28 GMT
I think we've done the dirty on Sarkic. There were probably always reservations about his injuries but we thought he was the best we could get and worth the risk. Maybe we've been alerted to the availability of Travers or Iverson and changed our minds. If that is the case watch Travers break his leg in his first game for us. I doubt it very much it would be the polar opposite of how we have behaved as a club over the last 15 years. We'll find out soon enough I imagine.
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Post by iglugluk on Jul 18, 2023 16:35:04 GMT
If it's true we couldn't agree personal terms then that's just the way it is as the club can not and should not ge held to ransom.. if that's what was happening here.
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Post by AlliG on Jul 18, 2023 16:43:16 GMT
Yes it looks like personal terms. Surprising really as we would have known his current wage and his expectations. Unless of course either him or us have tried to change things last minute. It's the Excuse and Star! They are about as reliable and trustworthy as the Sentinel (maybe even less so).
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Post by callas12 on Jul 18, 2023 16:47:07 GMT
Just highlights that a signings never actually complete until the obligatory photo of said player holding the clubs shirt or scarf alotf is released.
Guessing similar happens at most clubs but seem like we're unique at getting players In & all but signed up before a last minute spanner in the works crops up.
Sarkic's name can be added to Damien Francis, Tom Huddlestone, Demba Ba, Goran Popov, Dean Ashton, Juan Agudelo, Scott Carson amongat others who are all players who we believed at one stage or another were Potters bound, only to be left disappointed at what appeared to be the eleventh hour!
Some of those listed were even seen in the stands or even at the club wearing Stoke trying gear, but still something went wrong.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 18, 2023 16:52:12 GMT
Just highlights that a signings never actually complete until the obligatory photo of said player holding the clubs shirt or scarf alotf is released. Guessing similar happens at most clubs but seem like we're unique at getting players In & all but signed up before a last minute spanner in the works crops up. Sarkic's name can be added to Damien Francis, Tom Huddlestone, Demba Ba, Goran Popov, Dean Ashton, Juan Agudelo, Scott Carson amongat others who are all players who we believed at one stage or another were Potters bound, only to be left disappointed at what appeared to be the eleventh hour! Some of those listed were even seen in the stands or even at the club wearing Stoke trying gear, but still something went wrong. If you're including managers too you can add the George Burley fiasco to the list
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Post by stokecity4eva on Jul 18, 2023 16:52:51 GMT
Just highlights that a signings never actually complete until the obligatory photo of said player holding the clubs shirt or scarf alotf is released. Guessing similar happens at most clubs but seem like we're unique at getting players In & all but signed up before a last minute spanner in the works crops up. Sarkic's name can be added to Damien Francis, Tom Huddlestone, Demba Ba, Goran Popov, Dean Ashton, Juan Agudelo, Scott Carson amongat others who are all players who we believed at one stage or another were Potters bound, only to be left disappointed at what appeared to be the eleventh hour! Some of those listed were even seen in the stands or even at the club wearing Stoke trying gear, but still something went wrong. Some of those (Agudelo) had actually signed and had to be released from the contract because we couldnt get a work permit. Still annoys me now that we couldnt get that one done, decent youngster who given the chance to train over here could have gone on to be a decent player
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Post by thevoid on Jul 18, 2023 16:53:58 GMT
Yes it looks like personal terms. Surprising really as we would have known his current wage and his expectations. Unless of course either him or us have tried to change things last minute. It's the Excuse and Star! They are about as reliable and trustworthy as the Sentinel (maybe even less so). At least they don't put their readership through endless stories about Eddie Hall....
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Post by callas12 on Jul 18, 2023 17:02:09 GMT
Just highlights that a signings never actually complete until the obligatory photo of said player holding the clubs shirt or scarf alotf is released. Guessing similar happens at most clubs but seem like we're unique at getting players In & all but signed up before a last minute spanner in the works crops up. Sarkic's name can be added to Damien Francis, Tom Huddlestone, Demba Ba, Goran Popov, Dean Ashton, Juan Agudelo, Scott Carson amongat others who are all players who we believed at one stage or another were Potters bound, only to be left disappointed at what appeared to be the eleventh hour! Some of those listed were even seen in the stands or even at the club wearing Stoke trying gear, but still something went wrong. If you're including managers too you can add the George Burley fiasco to the list Indeed. There was also an African player once, can't remember his name, that I'm sure was pictured actually wearing the home kit, but his signing was subject to a work permit and never materialised. He was meant to be a great talent aswell, remember seeing his picture online but then seemed to be never heard of again. Sure someone will remember the player & possibly his name.
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 18, 2023 17:12:37 GMT
I think we've done the dirty on Sarkic. There were probably always reservations about his injuries but we thought he was the best we could get and worth the risk. Maybe we've been alerted to the availability of Travers or Iverson and changed our minds. If that is the case watch Travers break his leg in his first game for us. Sounds this way to me. I think the club has found a cheaper option in Travers and thrown Sarkic to one side. would it be cheaper ? , there would be a loan fee and he’s on premier league wages , i know Sarkic is at wolves but if he signed permanently to us it would be championship money
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 20:09:55 GMT
We are not going to get to the bottom of why this deal fell through.
If the truth is along the lines of sarkic trying to squeeze premier League money out of championship club... there Is no chance of his agent saying...it's my fault...I tried to be a smart arse and fxcked the whole thing up
If Stoke were underhand, they are never going to come out and say that .
We do know that when Rory Delap broke his leg playing for Stoke on loan we signed him ( for about a £1 million ?) Anyway with a broken leg , because the club felt that was right in the circumstances.
But that's years ago.
Times change.
We will never know, what happened.
I am expecting sakic's agent and Stoke to have such vastly different stories that it's as if we were talking about 2 totally different transfers on different continents!
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Post by tpholloway1 on Jul 18, 2023 20:15:16 GMT
If you're including managers too you can add the George Burley fiasco to the list Indeed. There was also an African player once, can't remember his name, that I'm sure was pictured actually wearing the home kit, but his signing was subject to a work permit and never materialised. He was meant to be a great talent aswell, remember seeing his picture online but then seemed to be never heard of again. Sure someone will remember the player & possibly his name. What was the name of the Argentine player who finished up going to Rangers because we couldn't get him a work permit?
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Post by walrus on Jul 18, 2023 20:20:09 GMT
If you're including managers too you can add the George Burley fiasco to the list Indeed. There was also an African player once, can't remember his name, that I'm sure was pictured actually wearing the home kit, but his signing was subject to a work permit and never materialised. He was meant to be a great talent aswell, remember seeing his picture online but then seemed to be never heard of again. Sure someone will remember the player & possibly his name. Zola Matumona that was. He never amounted to much, mostly played in the Belgian second division. There was also a Jamaican, Rodolph Austin, that Pulis tried to sign and was scuppered by a work permit. He ended up getting one to go to Leeds a year or two later and did well there.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 18, 2023 20:21:35 GMT
Indeed. There was also an African player once, can't remember his name, that I'm sure was pictured actually wearing the home kit, but his signing was subject to a work permit and never materialised. He was meant to be a great talent aswell, remember seeing his picture online but then seemed to be never heard of again. Sure someone will remember the player & possibly his name. What was the name of the Argentine player who finished up going to Rangers because we couldn't get him a work permit? Can't remember him. There was a Swedish guy we lost out to Rangers for, late 80s or early 90s I think?
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Post by greenhoff on Jul 18, 2023 20:25:56 GMT
What was the name of the Argentine player who finished up going to Rangers because we couldn't get him a work permit? Can't remember him. There was a Swedish guy we lost out to Rangers for, late 80s or early 90s I think? Robert Prytz
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 18, 2023 20:25:59 GMT
Indeed. There was also an African player once, can't remember his name, that I'm sure was pictured actually wearing the home kit, but his signing was subject to a work permit and never materialised. He was meant to be a great talent aswell, remember seeing his picture online but then seemed to be never heard of again. Sure someone will remember the player & possibly his name. What was the name of the Argentine player who finished up going to Rangers because we couldn't get him a work permit? Carlos Babbington was linked sometime after the 74 World Cup. I may have just dreamt this.
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Post by pretzel on Jul 18, 2023 20:43:23 GMT
What was the name of the Argentine player who finished up going to Rangers because we couldn't get him a work permit? Carlos Babbington was linked sometime after the 74 World Cup. I may have just dreamt this. That's the one I was thinking of too
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Post by tpholloway1 on Jul 18, 2023 20:45:17 GMT
What was the name of the Argentine player who finished up going to Rangers because we couldn't get him a work permit? Carlos Babbington was linked sometime after the 74 World Cup. I may have just dreamt this. That's the one.
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Post by luke2u on Jul 18, 2023 20:47:22 GMT
Indeed. There was also an African player once, can't remember his name, that I'm sure was pictured actually wearing the home kit, but his signing was subject to a work permit and never materialised. He was meant to be a great talent aswell, remember seeing his picture online but then seemed to be never heard of again. Sure someone will remember the player & possibly his name. Zola Matumona that was. He never amounted to much, mostly played in the Belgian second division. There was also a Jamaican, Rodolph Austin, that Pulis tried to sign and was scuppered by a work permit. He ended up getting one to go to Leeds a year or two later and did well there. Mohammed Gargo was another African who I think signed, but couldn't get a work permit.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 18, 2023 20:55:10 GMT
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Post by BuzzB on Jul 18, 2023 20:58:37 GMT
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Post by callas12 on Jul 18, 2023 20:58:49 GMT
Indeed. There was also an African player once, can't remember his name, that I'm sure was pictured actually wearing the home kit, but his signing was subject to a work permit and never materialised. He was meant to be a great talent aswell, remember seeing his picture online but then seemed to be never heard of again. Sure someone will remember the player & possibly his name. Zola Matumona that was. He never amounted to much, mostly played in the Belgian second division. There was also a Jamaican, Rodolph Austin, that Pulis tried to sign and was scuppered by a work permit. He ended up getting one to go to Leeds a year or two later and did well there. Yes Zola Matumona, that was him, well remembered, can always rely on someone's knowledge of past players on the Oatcake! With your help in naming the guy I've managed to find the picture I recall of him holding a Stoke top up when all looked as good as done! Attachment Deleted
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Post by walrus on Jul 18, 2023 20:58:52 GMT
Zola Matumona that was. He never amounted to much, mostly played in the Belgian second division. There was also a Jamaican, Rodolph Austin, that Pulis tried to sign and was scuppered by a work permit. He ended up getting one to go to Leeds a year or two later and did well there. Mohammed Gargo was another African who I think signed, but couldn't get a work permit. According to Wiki Gargo actually did sign but was quickly released because he had issues turning up to training.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 18, 2023 21:03:58 GMT
What's the betting Travers will fob us off?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 18, 2023 21:13:35 GMT
So what’s the crack here? Does anybody know? Personally I didn’t particularly rate him but was prepared to give him the benefit of doubt. If we can get Travers it’s a blessing in disguise. Big if…
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 18, 2023 21:17:03 GMT
I know this is Stoke, but would they have dicarded Sarkic at the drop of a hat if they werent fairly confident of getting someone else (whether that be Travis, Iverson or whoever)
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Post by independent on Jul 18, 2023 21:17:08 GMT
If the report is true,I'm sure the club's behaviour will be a great help to us when approaching other possible signings.
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 18, 2023 21:21:25 GMT
Sarkic wanted too much money for a goalkeeper who’s not finished the last 3 seasons due to injury…Stoke pulled the plug n moved onto other targets..that’s how I see it.
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