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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 17, 2023 12:14:12 GMT
As above, he's fine for this league in my opinion. Not perfect but this is a league where Tom Ince is one of the best performing attackers this season, and Brown is perfectly serviceable with people like Campbell/Powell/Fosu around him. Tom Ince is 10x the player, Brown is fine as a worker but to expect anything else is misguided. Brown did really well last season, not the only one who has lost form since Neil came in e.g.Baker,Tymon. Not a target man but great for pressing and scored some good goals last season.
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Jan 17, 2023 12:20:31 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 17, 2023 12:20:31 GMT
Tom Ince is 10x the player, Brown is fine as a worker but to expect anything else is misguided. Brown did really well last season, not the only one who has lost form since Neil came in e.g.Baker,Tymon. Not a target man but great for pressing and scored some good goals last season. Did well with his finishing yes, when he doesn't have to think about it and in the right areas he has a good shot on him but the rest of his game lacks any real technique, as you say, decent enough for pressing but I'd hope he could be easily replaced with better. They were already out of form before Neil came in, they have been shocking all season, maybe they just can't be bothered any more seeing the way it was going.
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Jan 17, 2023 12:40:24 GMT
Post by Timmy on Jan 17, 2023 12:40:24 GMT
Brown did really well last season, not the only one who has lost form since Neil came in e.g.Baker,Tymon. Not a target man but great for pressing and scored some good goals last season. Did well with his finishing yes, when he doesn't have to think about it and in the right areas he has a good shot on him but the rest of his game lacks any real technique, as you say, decent enough for pressing but I'd hope he could be easily replaced with better. They were already out of form before Neil came in, they have been shocking all season, maybe they just can't be bothered any more seeing the way it was going. The best thing about Brown is that we have a song for him, one of the only players the fans sing about!
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Jan 17, 2023 13:02:34 GMT
Post by idle on Jan 17, 2023 13:02:34 GMT
In a 4-3-3 your wide players are higher up the pitch I think? They're essentially strikers playing out wide, looking to drift into dangerous positions, they wouldn't necessarily be the ones beating a man and heading for the touchline to put a cross over. In a 4-5-1 your wingers are basically part of your first bank and further back, they'll likely be more conventional, chalk on the boots wingers as well. Making your lone forward very isolated. Well, yeah. But you're supposed to have 2 box-to-box-midfielders running forward to support the striker in addition to the wingers. The Norway national team in the 90s is the best example, but that's almost 30 years ago, so it's not exactly modern football.
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Jan 17, 2023 13:43:11 GMT
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jan 17, 2023 13:43:11 GMT
You’d think so mate. When did he last get on? 20 minutes against Burnley I think In those 20 minutes he actually put in more tackles than any of the rest of the team who played the full 90 minutes too. Neil is a disgrace, he picks the same team and subs to use from a core of about 15 and seems to have just discarded everyone else, despite the ones he’s using being awful every game.
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Jan 17, 2023 13:45:09 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 17, 2023 13:45:09 GMT
20 minutes against Burnley I think In those 20 minutes he actually put in more tackles than any of the rest of the team who played the full 90 minutes too. Neil is a disgrace, he picks the same team and subs to use from a core of about 15 and seems to have just discarded everyone else, despite the ones he’s using being awful every game. Yes wasn’t there a stat floating about after the game that Fosu had more touches and ran more than most of the Stoke team in 20 minutes?
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jan 17, 2023 13:49:46 GMT
In those 20 minutes he actually put in more tackles than any of the rest of the team who played the full 90 minutes too. Neil is a disgrace, he picks the same team and subs to use from a core of about 15 and seems to have just discarded everyone else, despite the ones he’s using being awful every game. Yes wasn’t there a stat floating about after the game that Fosu had more touches and ran more than most of the Stoke team in 20 minutes? Those sort of things yeah, he basically came on, used his pace and got about them after the 11 that started had stood around watching Burnley play for over an hour. He’s not the best, but he’s a hell of a lot better than the majority of the others. He and Campbell on the wings with a big strong centre forward between them would be a good way forward that wouldn’t cost much but for signing the striker.
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Jan 17, 2023 14:45:55 GMT
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 17, 2023 14:45:55 GMT
Making your lone forward very isolated. Well, yeah. But you're supposed to have 2 box-to-box-midfielders running forward to support the striker in addition to the wingers. The Norway national team in the 90s is the best example, but that's almost 30 years ago, so it's not exactly modern football. The balance is the most important thing really. Any formation is the coaches interpretation of it. You set your team up to be balanced but in reality it normally falls into an either attacking or defensive bias. Most manager/coaches are defensively bias, espescially Stoke ones.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 17, 2023 14:49:04 GMT
Yes wasn’t there a stat floating about after the game that Fosu had more touches and ran more than most of the Stoke team in 20 minutes? Those sort of things yeah, he basically came on, used his pace and got about them after the 11 that started had stood around watching Burnley play for over an hour. He’s not the best, but he’s a hell of a lot better than the majority of the others.
He and Campbell on the wings with a big strong centre forward between them would be a good way forward that wouldn’t cost much but for signing the striker. He isn't though is he. I like watching a player that will take players on too but unfortunately with Fosu it's extremely rare for there to be any end product.
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Jan 17, 2023 15:09:05 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Jan 17, 2023 15:09:05 GMT
Yes wasn’t there a stat floating about after the game that Fosu had more touches and ran more than most of the Stoke team in 20 minutes? Those sort of things yeah, he basically came on, used his pace and got about them after the 11 that started had stood around watching Burnley play for over an hour. He’s not the best, but he’s a hell of a lot better than the majority of the others. He and Campbell on the wings with a big strong centre forward between them would be a good way forward that wouldn’t cost much but for signing the striker. Campbell is not a winger
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Jan 17, 2023 15:53:45 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 17, 2023 15:53:45 GMT
I'd take a poorer version of Assaidi right now! Would like to know why Neil's not giving him time since he actually gets past people. Yeah his end product was scattershot but sometimes it'll pay off and his threat gives their defence something extra to worry about. It wasn't a compliment. I know It says a lot about where we are.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 17, 2023 15:54:47 GMT
Those sort of things yeah, he basically came on, used his pace and got about them after the 11 that started had stood around watching Burnley play for over an hour. He’s not the best, but he’s a hell of a lot better than the majority of the others. He and Campbell on the wings with a big strong centre forward between them would be a good way forward that wouldn’t cost much but for signing the striker. Campbell is not a winger Yes he is, well in the modern era he's what you'd call a wide forward.
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Jan 17, 2023 17:42:25 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Jan 17, 2023 17:42:25 GMT
Yes he is, well in the modern era he's what you'd call a wide forward. He may be a wide forward but he's not a winger in the "get to the touchline and cross to big man" sense as suggested in the original post.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2023 17:44:37 GMT
Yes he is, well in the modern era he's what you'd call a wide forward. He may be a wide forward but he's not a winger in the "get to the touchline and cross to big man" sense as suggested in the original post. He can cross though. He’s a good player on the right and goes either way which confuses defenders.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 17, 2023 17:45:18 GMT
He may be a wide forward but he's not a winger in the "get to the touchline and cross to big man" sense as suggested in the original post. He can cross though. He’s a good player on the right and goes either way which confuses defenders. He often goes neither way!
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Jan 17, 2023 17:51:08 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 17, 2023 17:51:08 GMT
He can cross though. He’s a good player on the right and goes either way which confuses defenders. He often goes neither way! He's an exciting player to watch, which may help with making the fans feel more positive, apart from he doesnt look to be effective, which is ultimately what its all about, we need output more than a thrill right now. He runs at players but it doesnt feel that his take ons put him in a better position to shoot / cross / pass. tachyon do you have data to demonstrate how effective he is? Should we be looking to play him more or ship him back to Brentford?
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Post by Veritas on Jan 17, 2023 17:59:51 GMT
He often goes neither way! He's an exciting player to watch, which may help with making the fans feel more positive, apart from he doesnt look to be effective, which is ultimately what its all about, we need output more than a thrill right now. He runs at players but it doesnt feel that his take ons put him in a better position to shoot / cross / pass. tachyon do you have data to demonstrate how effective he is? Should we be looking to play him more or ship him back to Brentford? He is a frustrating player to watch as he more often than not doesn't turn up.
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Jan 17, 2023 21:09:06 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 17, 2023 21:09:06 GMT
He often goes neither way! He's an exciting player to watch, which may help with making the fans feel more positive, apart from he doesnt look to be effective, which is ultimately what its all about, we need output more than a thrill right now. He runs at players but it doesnt feel that his take ons put him in a better position to shoot / cross / pass. tachyon do you have data to demonstrate how effective he is? Should we be looking to play him more or ship him back to Brentford? They’re talking about Campbell.
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Jan 17, 2023 21:31:07 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 17, 2023 21:31:07 GMT
He's an exciting player to watch, which may help with making the fans feel more positive, apart from he doesnt look to be effective, which is ultimately what its all about, we need output more than a thrill right now. He runs at players but it doesnt feel that his take ons put him in a better position to shoot / cross / pass. tachyon do you have data to demonstrate how effective he is? Should we be looking to play him more or ship him back to Brentford? They’re talking about Campbell. Thanks for pointing that out. Do I need to go on the Campbell thread to comment on Fosu?
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Jan 18, 2023 15:00:09 GMT
Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 18, 2023 15:00:09 GMT
He may be a wide forward but he's not a winger in the "get to the touchline and cross to big man" sense as suggested in the original post. He can cross though. He’s a good player on the right and goes either way which confuses defenders. Wingers tend to favour going outside defenders and their main contribution is putting in crosses. Campbell favours cutting inside and going for goal which makes him more of a forward who plays either side of a central striker - he attacks the box rather than hugs the touchline. He'd be wasted as a winger anyway as it would reduce his shooting opportunities (on his day he's our best finisher) - especially as we haven't got a target man in the middle anyway.
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Jan 18, 2023 18:59:59 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 18, 2023 18:59:59 GMT
He’s almost as shit as everyone else
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Jan 18, 2023 21:50:41 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Jan 18, 2023 21:50:41 GMT
In another bit of online fluff that could be bollocks, Rotherham fan seems to think he's going there
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Jan 18, 2023 21:56:40 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 18, 2023 21:56:40 GMT
In another bit of online fluff that could be bollocks, Rotherham fan seems to think he's going there Wouldn't surprise me
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Jan 18, 2023 22:00:11 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 18, 2023 22:00:11 GMT
probably will replace Ogbene when he goes
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Jan 18, 2023 22:07:46 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 18, 2023 22:07:46 GMT
I'd gladly swap him for Ogbene.
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Jan 18, 2023 22:28:30 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 18, 2023 22:28:30 GMT
In another bit of online fluff that could be bollocks, Rotherham fan seems to think he's going there Wouldn't surprise me I'm not really bothered. He's another that's been very disappointing.
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Jan 19, 2023 13:26:45 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Jan 19, 2023 13:26:45 GMT
Dunno if this is based on anything more than the online chatter at their end.
But it does like like we're trying to move on a big chunk of the loan contingent, doesn't it?
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Jan 19, 2023 13:30:19 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Jan 19, 2023 13:30:19 GMT
Dunno if this is based on anything more than the online chatter at their end. But it does like like we're trying to move on a big chink of the loan contingent, doesn't it? The fact that it is Rotherham who are after him rather than Burnley is a telling statement on how he is viewed, hardly screams we are letting a class act slip through our fingers.
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Jan 19, 2023 19:19:46 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 19, 2023 19:19:46 GMT
Dunno if this is based on anything more than the online chatter at their end. But it does like like we're trying to move on a big chink of the loan contingent, doesn't it? The fact that it is Rotherham who are after him rather than Burnley is a telling statement on how he is viewed, hardly screams we are letting a class act slip through our fingers. It would be good if we can get him gone; offered nothing!
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 19, 2023 19:25:56 GMT
Dunno if this is based on anything more than the online chatter at their end. But it does like like we're trying to move on a big chunk of the loan contingent, doesn't it? I quite like Fosu. Bright, lively and willing to take somebody on to try and make something happen. However, he was consistently inconsistent. Sometimes I am not even sure he knew what he was going to do next! 😂 AN obviously does not fancy him. In which case, move him on and get somebody in that he will use.
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