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Fosu
Jan 15, 2023 21:07:02 GMT
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Post by st3mark on Jan 15, 2023 21:07:02 GMT
Was told today that he's unlikely to play for us again, the reason being is the terms of his loan deal, we are currently paying almost 45% of his wages and if he makes any more appearances it will double to almost 90%, Stoke are contractually obliged to name him in the matchday squad if he's fit. I can't confirm if this is 100% accurate but I have no reason to doubt the person who told me. It does explain why he's not getting any game time. Who the fuck agrees to these deals? Gouranga. Sounds too ridiculous to be true.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 15, 2023 21:09:14 GMT
It does make sense, there can't be any other reason he isn't playing above the dross that turns out week after week.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 15, 2023 21:10:22 GMT
Was told today that he's unlikely to play for us again, the reason being is the terms of his loan deal, we are currently paying almost 45% of his wages and if he makes any more appearances it will double to almost 90%, Stoke are contractually obliged to name him in the matchday squad if he's fit. I can't confirm if this is 100% accurate but I have no reason to doubt the person who told me. It does explain why he's not getting any game time. Who the fuck agrees to these deals? Gouranga. Sounds too ridiculous to be true. This is Stoke we're talking about. I can only imagine that we thought we'd be challenging for a play off place and we wouldn't be shitting ourselves over FFP and needing to get half a team in the January sales. Gouranga.
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Fosu
Jan 15, 2023 21:11:14 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jan 15, 2023 21:11:14 GMT
So is he leaving along with the other 5 loanees?
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Fosu
Jan 15, 2023 21:13:24 GMT
Post by jebbstuart on Jan 15, 2023 21:13:24 GMT
It's the great recruitment team we have, if he wasn't going to play regular and did not improve the squad why sign him in the first place? You knew the rules when you signed him ridiculous recruitment again.
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Fosu
Jan 15, 2023 21:14:31 GMT
Post by greystokie on Jan 15, 2023 21:14:31 GMT
Would any club agree that a loan player must make the squad if he is fit? I know Stoke is badly run but I can't believe that we'd be foolish enough to go for that.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 15, 2023 21:15:06 GMT
So is he leaving along with the other 5 loanees? It certainly looks like the loanees days are numbered at Stoke, we didn't start with a single loan player yesterday I can't remember the last time that happened, we finished the match with just 1 of them on the pitch for us, surely something is going on when we play Wilmot as a RWB when we have Fosu and Clarke sitting around. Gouranga.
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Fosu
Jan 15, 2023 21:16:27 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 15, 2023 21:16:27 GMT
Or we might actually sign him permanently this window as unlikely as that seems 👀...
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Fosu
Jan 15, 2023 21:18:00 GMT
Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 15, 2023 21:18:00 GMT
Or we might actually sign him permanently this window as unlikely as that seems 👀... If that's the case why not sign him now and play him? Gouranga.
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Fosu
Jan 15, 2023 21:18:46 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 15, 2023 21:18:46 GMT
So is he leaving along with the other 5 loanees? It certainly looks like the loanees days are numbered at Stoke, we didn't start with a single loan player yesterday I can't remember the last time that happened, we finished the match with just 1 of them on the pitch for us, surely something is going on when we play Wilmot as a RWB when we have Fosu and Clarke sitting around. Gouranga. But then why bring Clarke on as a sub?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 15, 2023 21:22:49 GMT
Or we might actually sign him permanently this window as unlikely as that seems 👀... If that's the case why not sign him now and play him? Gouranga. The World revolves around money so I'd start there..
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 15, 2023 22:36:03 GMT
Would any club agree that a loan player must make the squad if he is fit? I know Stoke is badly run but I can't believe that we'd be foolish enough to go for that. It’s just poorly worded loan contract clauses that say a player must start a certain percentage of games when fit or be in the match day squad when fit don’t mean you are forced to pick them just that there are financial penalties if you don’t. These clauses are in almost every loan agreement when you’re getting a young player from a premier league club, they’re absolutely not unique to Stoke.
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Fosu
Jan 16, 2023 1:27:43 GMT
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Post by callas12 on Jan 16, 2023 1:27:43 GMT
Would any club agree that a loan player must make the squad if he is fit? I know Stoke is badly run but I can't believe that we'd be foolish enough to go for that. I'd imagine when numerous clubs are circling to sign a certain player the host club can pretty much demand what they wish with regards to payments and conditions of the loan deal. It will also depend on what plans the host club has for that particular player going forwards beyond the period if the loan expiring. Is it a loan to gain experience, a loan to improve fitness, a loan with a view to buy or a loan that purely gives the player some game time as he isn't going to get into his own first team anytime soon. A player may also be loaned out to allow a players contract to run down like we did with Tom Ince, Imbula, Wimmer etc.. Afterall some loans are season long and some are short term loans. Some loans have specific recall options attached aswell. & I'd suspect the more clubs enquiring about a players loan availability means that the host club can dicate things such as playing time their player gets etc more so than if no other clubs are showing interest. The host club is always going to choose the club who is willing to abide by the loan agreement terms than a club that isn't in more cases than not. & as has been mentioned, finances are a big part of a loan deal. Especially as how the wage structure of which club is paying which % of the players wages will impact both clubs concerned. Who knows If this % pay increment on reaching a certain amount of fixtures is true but supposing there is.. Maybe MON rated Fosu & would have been happy to continue playing him the bigger % of salary as the season progressed. Perhaps AN doesn't particularly rate him enough to want to pay that extra % of his wages out when he could use them funds somewhere else. There's got to be a reason he's no longer an automatic pick for the starting 11 & is only now used on the odd occasion from the bench. Sure things will become clearer in the next week or so what's happening to Fosu & where his future lies.
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Fosu
Jan 16, 2023 1:51:20 GMT
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 16, 2023 1:51:20 GMT
I don’t rate him. Can’t think of any things he’s done to have a positive impact on any game. Send him back to Brentford.
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Fosu
Jan 16, 2023 1:54:03 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 16, 2023 1:54:03 GMT
Was told today that he's unlikely to play for us again, the reason being is the terms of his loan deal, we are currently paying almost 45% of his wages and if he makes any more appearances it will double to almost 90%, Stoke are contractually obliged to name him in the matchday squad if he's fit. I can't confirm if this is 100% accurate but I have no reason to doubt the person who told me. It does explain why he's not getting any game time. Who the fuck agrees to these deals? Gouranga. Sounds too ridiculous to be true. Strange deals happen all the time. Didn’t Griezmann have a deal over minutes played, so he was always subbed before 60?
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Fosu
Jan 16, 2023 3:24:45 GMT
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 16, 2023 3:24:45 GMT
Was told today that he's unlikely to play for us again, the reason being is the terms of his loan deal, we are currently paying almost 45% of his wages and if he makes any more appearances it will double to almost 90%, Stoke are contractually obliged to name him in the matchday squad if he's fit. I can't confirm if this is 100% accurate but I have no reason to doubt the person who told me. It does explain why he's not getting any game time. Who the fuck agrees to these deals? Gouranga. I'd be checking CCTV to see who let Scholsy into the building 😂😂😂
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Fosu
Jan 16, 2023 8:22:08 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2023 8:22:08 GMT
He has the pace and skill to be a very good player. But he reaches the point at where needs to make a decision and by the time the cogs have moved he’s ran into a defender.
Very frustrating player.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 16, 2023 9:11:47 GMT
He has the pace and skill to be a very good player. But he reaches the point at where needs to make a decision and by the time the cogs have moved he’s ran into a defender. Very frustrating player. Runs down too many blind alleyways. That's coachable though he definitely has promise. Problem is he's never had 5/6 games on the bounce in his natural position to gain any momentum or confidence which is what I think he needs.........
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 16, 2023 9:16:19 GMT
AN bemoaned the lack of wingers except Fosu a number of times, then preceded to play him out of position a lot and now when a switch to a front 3 would seem the best way forwards, he just refuses to even acknowledge he's still at the club.
Bizarre management.
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Fosu
Jan 16, 2023 9:16:25 GMT
Post by lordb on Jan 16, 2023 9:16:25 GMT
So is he leaving along with the other 5 loanees? That depends on the terms of the loan agreement If Brentford don't want him back & would rather we pay 45% of his wages to do nothing whilst not playing rather than him going on loan elsewhere then no he won't be going back if they would rather he played either they renegotiate with Stoke or find another club for him the fact (if it's true,& it rings true) that we are not prepared to pay 90% of his wages further evidences that we absolutely maxed out re FFP
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Post by lordb on Jan 16, 2023 9:18:52 GMT
AN bemoaned the lack of wingers except Fosu a number of times, then preceded to play him out of position a lot and now when a switch to a front 3 would seem the best way forwards, he just refuses to even acknowledge he's still at the club. Bizarre management. not if the rumour is true, if it is then playing him would be madness he can't play if it means we breach FFP, we cannot afford a points deductionwe clearly need pace & creativity in the side, even off the bench we clearly need some new players we are clearly absolutely maxed out on FFP
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Fosu
Jan 16, 2023 9:19:39 GMT
Post by lordb on Jan 16, 2023 9:19:39 GMT
I don’t rate him. Can’t think of any things he’s done to have a positive impact on any game. Send him back to Brentford. can we do that? Is it that simple?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 16, 2023 9:20:08 GMT
AN bemoaned the lack of wingers except Fosu a number of times, then preceded to play him out of position a lot and now when a switch to a front 3 would seem the best way forwards, he just refuses to even acknowledge he's still at the club. Bizarre management. We have a perfectly good right back in Clarke (he's still raw but shows promise), Fox can play left back and do a job and the wide men in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 are there in Fosu/Brown/Campbell/Wright-Phillips or even Tymon. I don't get his issue either, it's not perfect but he hasn't even given it 3/4 games to evolve........
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Fosu
Jan 16, 2023 9:20:42 GMT
Post by LGH87 on Jan 16, 2023 9:20:42 GMT
AN bemoaned the lack of wingers except Fosu a number of times, then preceded to play him out of position a lot and now when a switch to a front 3 would seem the best way forwards, he just refuses to even acknowledge he's still at the club. Bizarre management. not if the rumour is true, if it is then playing him would be madness he can't play if it means we breach FFP, we cannot afford a points deductionwe clearly need pace & creativity in the side, even off the bench we clearly need some new players we are clearly absolutely maxed out on FFP Why would we sign a player if by December, we wouldn't be able to afford to play him?
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 16, 2023 9:22:29 GMT
AN bemoaned the lack of wingers except Fosu a number of times, then preceded to play him out of position a lot and now when a switch to a front 3 would seem the best way forwards, he just refuses to even acknowledge he's still at the club. Bizarre management. We have a perfectly good right back in Clarke (he's still raw but shows promise), Fox can play left back and do a job and the wide men in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 are there in Fosu/Brown/Campbell/Wright-Phillips. I don't get his issue either, it's not perfect but he hasn't even given it 3/4 games to evolve........ Stoke's best formation for the last 10 years has been 4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1, why manager's refuse to use it is fucking beyond me.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 9:23:26 GMT
AN bemoaned the lack of wingers except Fosu a number of times, then preceded to play him out of position a lot and now when a switch to a front 3 would seem the best way forwards, he just refuses to even acknowledge he's still at the club. Bizarre management. He did play him as a wide forward but there was no output/end product/final ball. I thought he was better to watch than some of our other forward options because he actually took players on but it was not productive. He’s probably got less productive stats as a wide player than Harry Clarke and he’s shit as well.
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Fosu
Jan 16, 2023 9:24:00 GMT
Post by lordb on Jan 16, 2023 9:24:00 GMT
not if the rumour is true, if it is then playing him would be madness he can't play if it means we breach FFP, we cannot afford a points deductionwe clearly need pace & creativity in the side, even off the bench we clearly need some new players we are clearly absolutely maxed out on FFP Why would we sign a player if by December, we wouldn't be able to afford to play him? That's a good question it was a last minute loan deal wasn't it? good example of why last minute deals are often bad ones
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Fosu
Jan 16, 2023 9:26:47 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 9:26:47 GMT
AN bemoaned the lack of wingers except Fosu a number of times, then preceded to play him out of position a lot and now when a switch to a front 3 would seem the best way forwards, he just refuses to even acknowledge he's still at the club. Bizarre management. not if the rumour is true, if it is then playing him would be madness he can't play if it means we breach FFP, we cannot afford a points deductionwe clearly need pace & creativity in the side, even off the bench we clearly need some new players we are clearly absolutely maxed out on FFP It sounded very much that way when AN first joined. He was talking like we would breach if we didn’t cut costs or bring money in later this season.
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Fosu
Jan 16, 2023 9:31:35 GMT
Post by thebet365 on Jan 16, 2023 9:31:35 GMT
AN bemoaned the lack of wingers except Fosu a number of times, then preceded to play him out of position a lot and now when a switch to a front 3 would seem the best way forwards, he just refuses to even acknowledge he's still at the club. Bizarre management. not if the rumour is true, if it is then playing him would be madness he can't play if it means we breach FFP, we cannot afford a points deductionwe clearly need pace & creativity in the side, even off the bench we clearly need some new players we are clearly absolutely maxed out on FFP Of course he can play, if the rumour is true which I'm struggling to believe tbh but lets say it is, It will have been factored into the budget, what it does have an impact on is AN being able to bring in his own players.
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Fosu
Jan 16, 2023 9:43:57 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 16, 2023 9:43:57 GMT
not if the rumour is true, if it is then playing him would be madness he can't play if it means we breach FFP, we cannot afford a points deductionwe clearly need pace & creativity in the side, even off the bench we clearly need some new players we are clearly absolutely maxed out on FFP Of course he can play, if the rumour is true which I'm struggling to believe tbh but lets say it is, It will have been factored into the budget, what it does have an impact on is AN being able to bring in his own players. See above. I think we’d done our business for the Summer and blown the budget. Then we went out and bought in Sterling at very short notice.
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