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Post by generationex on Jan 7, 2023 22:17:02 GMT
To be fair Toxic, TP always worked the angles and never assumed a point a game. The stakes were too high and he always knew staying in the Prem was the real issue.
According to TP everything else was a bonus.
Turns out he was right, despite the clamour ‘for something more’.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 22:20:40 GMT
It hadn’t needed close to 15 points for literally years. I know we didn’t have injury niggles because I, you know, remember stuff. Even with them you’d have to be shit to only pick up 10 points from 12 games and if Pulis is the manager you think he is why do you think that would’ve been a problem? I've no idea. Perhaps he thought that if a couple of key players picked up serious injury then he would be in deep doodoo, especially with huth missing for the next couple of games. You don't know mate. He could’ve rotated his squad. He ran Walters into the ground that season. Jerome and Fuller barely got a look in. He signed Woodgate and Upson to cover his defenders. Which ‘key players’ didn’t we have sufficient cover for to grind out enough points over 12 games?
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Post by march4 on Jan 7, 2023 22:21:30 GMT
A 40 year old TP is exactly what we need at the club at the moment.
We can only reflect on the wonderful memories he created as our greatest ever manager.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 22:22:11 GMT
To be fair Toxic, TP always worked the angles and never assumed a point a game. The stakes were too high and he always knew staying in the Prem was the real issue. According to TP everything else was a bonus. Turns out he was right, despite the clamour ‘for something more’. The stakes were not too high, there were 12 games and three months of the season left, he’d have been an egregious failure and should’ve been sacked on the spot if he’d failed to get 10 points from those games, Europe or no Europe. He wasn’t right at all, Hughes showed that.
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Post by Davef on Jan 7, 2023 22:25:33 GMT
He was bang on in his assessment. At the time, we needed 10 points from 13 games and Pulis didn't trust his squad to win them, so left most of them at home. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, the only reason Huth, Delap and Diao played at the Mestalla was because they were suspended for next Premier League game or two. Haha. Think you've scored an own goal there matey. How have I?
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 22:27:00 GMT
I've no idea. Perhaps he thought that if a couple of key players picked up serious injury then he would be in deep doodoo, especially with huth missing for the next couple of games. You don't know mate. He could’ve rotated his squad. He ran Walters into the ground that season. Jerome and Fuller barely got a look in. He signed Woodgate and Upson to cover his defenders. Which ‘key players’ didn’t we have sufficient cover for to grind out enough points over 12 games? I've no idea. And neither have you.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 22:28:00 GMT
Haha. Think you've scored an own goal there matey. How have I? Have a sleep on it and read it again in the morning.
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Post by Davef on Jan 7, 2023 22:30:09 GMT
Have a sleep on it and read it again in the morning. No, tell me why?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 22:30:36 GMT
He could’ve rotated his squad. He ran Walters into the ground that season. Jerome and Fuller barely got a look in. He signed Woodgate and Upson to cover his defenders. Which ‘key players’ didn’t we have sufficient cover for to grind out enough points over 12 games? I've no idea. And neither have you. That makes absolutely no sense. I’ll try again. Other than, Etherington, who couldn’t we have done without to make for a catastrophic collapse that we’d fail to win the majority of our last 12 games?
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 22:37:48 GMT
Have a sleep on it and read it again in the morning. No, tell me why? Huth, Delap and Salif suspended for the next couple of games. Maybe.. just maybe .. owd Tone is thinking "I could do without anymore of my stalwarts getting crocked tonight else we will be in a proper pickle Peter"
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 7, 2023 22:52:55 GMT
The Valencia away policy was deeply infuriating. Thousands of Stokies travelled. It was a tough ask but to hold up the white flag was just insulting.
This situation was indicative of his approach. Pulis used to bang on and on about 40 points to the exclusion of everything else. He'd say it was pragmatism ut it could just as easily be seen as a lack of ambition.
Successful as we were, the limitations placed on us became increasingly stifling.
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Post by Davef on Jan 7, 2023 23:00:01 GMT
Huth, Delap and Salif suspended for the next couple of games. Maybe.. just maybe .. owd Tone is thinking "I could do without anymore of my stalwarts getting crocked tonight else we will be in a proper pickle Peter" Why would the "greatest manager in the club's history" (who has never been relegated in his career and will undoubtedly save any club in danger of the drop) be in a pickle with his team on 30 points after 25 Premier League games?
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 23:01:57 GMT
Huth, Delap and Salif suspended for the next couple of games. Maybe.. just maybe .. owd Tone is thinking "I could do without anymore of my stalwarts getting crocked tonight else we will be in a proper pickle Peter" Why would the "greatest manager in the club's history" (who has never been relegated in his career and will undoubtedly save any club in danger of the drop) be in a pickle with his team on 30 points after 25 Premier League games? Stop digging mate.
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 7, 2023 23:05:45 GMT
The Valencia away policy was deeply infuriating. Thousands of Stokies travelled. It was a tough ask but to hold up the white flag was just insulting. This situation was indicative of his approach. Pulis used to bang on and on about 40 points to the exclusion of everything else. He'd say it was pragmatism ut it could just as easily be seen as a lack of ambition. Successful as we were, the limitations placed on us became increasingly stifling. Proper steak and chips that 40 points policy was.
I love steak and chips, but after being served it for 38 games a season x 5, I was just a little bit fed up of it.
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Post by Davef on Jan 7, 2023 23:07:05 GMT
Why would the "greatest manager in the club's history" (who has never been relegated in his career and will undoubtedly save any club in danger of the drop) be in a pickle with his team on 30 points after 25 Premier League games? Stop digging mate. Try answering the question.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 23:09:52 GMT
The Valencia away policy was deeply infuriating. Thousands of Stokies travelled. It was a tough ask but to hold up the white flag was just insulting. This situation was indicative of his approach. Pulis used to bang on and on about 40 points to the exclusion of everything else. He'd say it was pragmatism ut it could just as easily be seen as a lack of ambition. Successful as we were, the limitations placed on us became increasingly stifling. Bang on about 40 points? Couple posters on here recently have made it their mantra. "Successful as we were" Think that says it all.
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Post by lordb on Jan 7, 2023 23:10:05 GMT
To be fair Toxic, TP always worked the angles and never assumed a point a game. The stakes were too high and he always knew staying in the Prem was the real issue. According to TP everything else was a bonus. Turns out he was right, despite the clamour ‘for something more’. But we got more Hughes came in and spent peanuts compared to before and we got massively better football and higher placings Then he fucked it all up mind but that's another story
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 23:12:50 GMT
Try answering the question. Aside from your snide remarks .. There isn't a question to answer. He did what he did for reasons he knows. Some of those maybe in your text previously.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 23:13:41 GMT
To be fair Toxic, TP always worked the angles and never assumed a point a game. The stakes were too high and he always knew staying in the Prem was the real issue. According to TP everything else was a bonus. Turns out he was right, despite the clamour ‘for something more’. But we got more Hughes came in and spent peanuts compared to before and we got massively better football and higher placings Then he fucked it all up mind but that's another story Yes ... but the foundations were laid.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 7, 2023 23:15:15 GMT
To be fair Toxic, TP always worked the angles and never assumed a point a game. The stakes were too high and he always knew staying in the Prem was the real issue. According to TP everything else was a bonus. Turns out he was right, despite the clamour ‘for something more’. But we got more Hughes came in and spent peanuts compared to before and we got massively better football and higher placings Then he fucked it all up mind but that's another story He sure did with the Pulis spine and fair play to him for doing so.Fantastic football that we can all look back on and say I was there BUT and it’s a big BUT he completely fucked up and for me that sadly is something I cannot forgive
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Post by lordb on Jan 7, 2023 23:18:37 GMT
But we got more Hughes came in and spent peanuts compared to before and we got massively better football and higher placings Then he fucked it all up mind but that's another story He sure did with the Pulis spine and fair play to him for doing so.Fantastic football that we can all look back on and say I was there BUT and it’s a big BUT he completely fucked up and for me that sadly is something I cannot forgive Thats fine but the point is TP was completely wrong
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 23:18:50 GMT
But we got more Hughes came in and spent peanuts compared to before and we got massively better football and higher placings Then he fucked it all up mind but that's another story Yes ... but the foundations were laid. Foundations that he was incapable of building on himself.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 23:20:14 GMT
But we got more Hughes came in and spent peanuts compared to before and we got massively better football and higher placings Then he fucked it all up mind but that's another story He sure did with the Pulis spine and fair play to him for doing so.Fantastic football that we can all look back on and say I was there BUT and it’s a big BUT he completely fucked up and for me that sadly is something I cannot forgive The Pulis spine that Pulis himself couldn’t do as well with. He completely fucked up but he was allowed to. Pulis was starting to fuck up and the owners acted. They didn’t with Hughes. That’s the difference.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 23:20:17 GMT
Yes ... but the foundations were laid. Foundations that he was incapable of building on himself. Perhaps so. But that's another story.
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Post by Davef on Jan 7, 2023 23:25:20 GMT
Foundations that he was incapable of building on himself. Perhaps so. But that's another story. Are you The Riddler?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 23:31:18 GMT
Foundations that he was incapable of building on himself. Perhaps so. But that's another story. There’s no ‘perhaps’ about it.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 23:34:48 GMT
Perhaps so. But that's another story. There’s no ‘perhaps’ about it. It is another discussion.(cc davef) This immediate debate was(is) about Valencia.. And I do agree that he wasn't able to build upon his magnificent success.
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Post by PenkPonther on Jan 8, 2023 0:15:39 GMT
The starting line up Vs Valencia.
T Sorensen S Diao R Huth J Woodgate D Collins D Arismendi R Delap W Palacios C Jerome K Jones R Fuller
Shotton and Pennant came on as subs.
We'd lost 4 games on the trot in the Premier League before this fixture, but having rested a few players vs Valencia, we won our next two.
Make of all that what you will.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 8, 2023 0:18:50 GMT
The starting line up Vs Valencia. T Sorensen S Diao R Huth J Woodgate D Collins D Arismendi R Delap W Palacios C Jerome K Jones R Fuller Shotton and Pennant came on as subs. We'd lost 4 games on the trot in the Premier League before this fixture, but having rested a few players vs Valencia, we won our next two. Make of all that what you will. I make of it that we had 12 games and three months of the season left and we needed three wins and a draw, and to not get that from the remaining game you’d have had to be a frankly dreadful manager Europe or not.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 8, 2023 0:25:30 GMT
The Valencia away policy was deeply infuriating. Thousands of Stokies travelled. It was a tough ask but to hold up the white flag was just insulting. This situation was indicative of his approach. Pulis used to bang on and on about 40 points to the exclusion of everything else. He'd say it was pragmatism ut it could just as easily be seen as a lack of ambition. Successful as we were, the limitations placed on us became increasingly stifling. Bang on about 40 points? Couple posters on here recently have made it their mantra. "Successful as we were" Think that says it all. We had unnecessary limitations put on us. We could've grown more. We were strategically held back.
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