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Post by upthefud on Jan 7, 2023 18:30:59 GMT
Still totally mystified as to the starting XI at Valencia. Pulis didnt give a shit about the thousands of fans who had spend hundreds of pounds to see this match. No but he did manage to build a team which gave more of a shit about the fans who spent hundreds of pounds following the club in the late 00s and early 10s than almost any team in the country at the time I know he wasn’t perfect but he’s almost undoubtedly in our top 3 managers of all time. The team that took us up and kept us up couldn’t be further in attitude and heart than our current crop if it tried
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 7, 2023 18:36:37 GMT
Thread warning: Pulis black hole detected in the Oatcake galaxy! Do not approach. (Several threads have already been ingested and the thing is now the size of a Borg cube)
Hey Tony - thank you for your service to Stoke man. Welcome any time in the executive box during matches. Ply him with drink and conversation and a twisted-up wet beach towel, then record his reactions to watching us play. (ssssSNAAPPP!!!) Publish an unfiltered [key] live podcast of it during home matches with occasional special guests like Mr. Huth, Mr. Shawcross etc. The pissed off cursing, occasional derisory laughter & mini-seizure inspired "commentary" would at least provide some energy.
We MUST find a way to fill in the entertainment void left by the untimely passing of Arsenal fan.
Bojan - Can you expedite a Sports Psychology certification?
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Post by hardcastle on Jan 7, 2023 20:24:31 GMT
Personally l thoroughly enjoyed my time in Valencia regardless of the side TP put out. A number of sides struggled in the Premier League as a result of also playing in the Europa League, not just us. Playing a number of fringe players in Valencia may just have helped keep us up.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 20:36:16 GMT
Personally l thoroughly enjoyed my time in Valencia regardless of the side TP put out. A number of sides struggled in the Premier League as a result of also playing in the Europa League, not just us. Playing a number of fringe players in Valencia may just have helped keep us up. It was February. We had 30 points already. There was zero need to try and throw that game. If we’re saying that we couldn’t get 10 points from our last 12 games then that would’ve been a pathetic effort whether we were in Europe or not.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 7, 2023 20:39:16 GMT
Personally l thoroughly enjoyed my time in Valencia regardless of the side TP put out. A number of sides struggled in the Premier League as a result of also playing in the Europa League, not just us. Playing a number of fringe players in Valencia may just have helped keep us up. It was February. We had 30 points already. There was zero need to try and throw that game. If we’re saying that we couldn’t get 10 points from our last 12 games then that would’ve been a pathetic effort whether we were in Europe or not. Didn’t we lose to Swansea on the Sunday after
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Post by dan55 on Jan 7, 2023 20:40:31 GMT
Honestly, how any fan prefers what we are playing and going through now over the Pulis years is beyond me. Teams were terrified of us and the atmosphere in the stadium was electric. Loudest fans in the prem. Great times.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 7, 2023 20:42:57 GMT
It was February. We had 30 points already. There was zero need to try and throw that game. If we’re saying that we couldn’t get 10 points from our last 12 games then that would’ve been a pathetic effort whether we were in Europe or not. Didn’t we lose to Swansea on the Sunday after We beat Swansea and Norwich in the next 2 games which near enough secured our prem status
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Post by emery1985 on Jan 7, 2023 20:51:29 GMT
Personally l thoroughly enjoyed my time in Valencia regardless of the side TP put out. A number of sides struggled in the Premier League as a result of also playing in the Europa League, not just us. Playing a number of fringe players in Valencia may just have helped keep us up. It was February. We had 30 points already. There was zero need to try and throw that game. If we’re saying that we couldn’t get 10 points from our last 12 games then that would’ve been a pathetic effort whether we were in Europe or not. You get more money for finishing higher in the league though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 20:55:13 GMT
It was February. We had 30 points already. There was zero need to try and throw that game. If we’re saying that we couldn’t get 10 points from our last 12 games then that would’ve been a pathetic effort whether we were in Europe or not. You get more money for finishing higher in the league though. He never seemed especially bothered about doing more than staying up though did he? If he was that bothered about finishing high up the league we’d have finished in the top half. We were capable of doing fine in the league if he’d rotated his squad more instead of running them into the ground.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 20:55:21 GMT
Personally l thoroughly enjoyed my time in Valencia regardless of the side TP put out. A number of sides struggled in the Premier League as a result of also playing in the Europa League, not just us. Playing a number of fringe players in Valencia may just have helped keep us up. Agree. We also played some nice football. What about a dream team of TP and Ryan taking the helm when AN gets the sack.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 20:56:10 GMT
Honestly, how any fan prefers what we are playing and going through now over the Pulis years is beyond me. Teams were terrified of us and the atmosphere in the stadium was electric. Loudest fans in the prem. Great times. Number of people who’ve said they prefer things now: 0 Teams weren’t terrified of us by the last couple of his seasons.
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Post by Davef on Jan 7, 2023 21:09:22 GMT
Personally l thoroughly enjoyed my time in Valencia regardless of the side TP put out. A number of sides struggled in the Premier League as a result of also playing in the Europa League, not just us. Playing a number of fringe players in Valencia may just have helped keep us up. So let me get this straight. We played Valencia on 24th February 2012. The team were on 30 points in the Premier League, needing just ten more points from the final 13 matches to get to the magical 40 point mark. As it turned out we needed just six points, and you were worried that this legendary, best manager in the club's history couldn't manage that?
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 21:17:26 GMT
Honestly, how any fan prefers what we are playing and going through now over the Pulis years is beyond me. Teams were terrified of us and the atmosphere in the stadium was electric. Loudest fans in the prem. Great times. Number of people who’ve said they prefer things now: 0 Teams weren’t terrified of us by the last couple of his seasons. Don't think any teams were "terrified" of us tbh.... But they certainly knew they weren't in for an easy ride. The atmosphere alone,especially against the bigger teams, was electric. If.. (hopefully a big if)..AN doesn't deliver,I've absolutely no idea where we go from there.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 21:18:55 GMT
Personally l thoroughly enjoyed my time in Valencia regardless of the side TP put out. A number of sides struggled in the Premier League as a result of also playing in the Europa League, not just us. Playing a number of fringe players in Valencia may just have helped keep us up. So let me get this straight. We played Valencia on 24th February 2012. The team were on 30 points in the Premier League, needing just ten more points from the final 13 matches to get to the magical 40 point mark. As it turned out we needed just six points, and you were worried that this legendary, best manager in the club's history couldn't manage that? Easy to say now matey.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 21:19:33 GMT
So let me get this straight. We played Valencia on 24th February 2012. The team were on 30 points in the Premier League, needing just ten more points from the final 13 matches to get to the magical 40 point mark. As it turned out we needed just six points, and you were worried that this legendary, best manager in the club's history couldn't manage that? Easy to say now matey. It was easy to say at the time.
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Post by Davef on Jan 7, 2023 21:21:11 GMT
It was easy to say at the time. As even Paul Merson said on Soccer Saturday.
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Post by biglad180 on Jan 7, 2023 21:21:27 GMT
the guy was a legand for us ,how people can knock him i don,t know, i would find him a job somewhere in the club,, always been stoke through and through, i would also get Bojan in on the coaching staff, he was a top player who can only do good for the club, Well he wasn't Stoke through and through when he was turning us down for Bristol 😀 I loved lou macari at Stoke but did he not leave us for Celtic?
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 7, 2023 21:22:31 GMT
The bench in Valencia was a disgrace, but the starting eleven was actually a much better looking side than the one that lost the first leg.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 21:26:08 GMT
The bench in Valencia was a disgrace, but the starting eleven was actually a much better looking side than the one that lost the first leg. That wasn’t the intention though. He played players he wouldn’t dream of playing in a match he cared about by that point.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 21:27:24 GMT
It was easy to say at the time. As even Paul Merson said on Soccer Saturday. Well.. if you're going to hang on every word of that acclaimed knowledge of football (has he ever managed?) Paul (pass me the ice) Merson .. then I bow to your wisdom.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 21:31:40 GMT
As even Paul Merson said on Soccer Saturday. Well.. if you're going to hang on every word of that acclaimed knowledge of football (has he ever managed?) Paul (pass me the ice) Merson .. then I bow to your wisdom. He was right though?
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 21:32:39 GMT
Well.. if you're going to hang on every word of that acclaimed knowledge of football (has he ever managed?) Paul (pass me the ice) Merson .. then I bow to your wisdom. He was right though? No.. it was his and your opinion.
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Post by Davef on Jan 7, 2023 21:34:32 GMT
As even Paul Merson said on Soccer Saturday. Well.. if you're going to hang on every word of that acclaimed knowledge of football (has he ever managed?) Paul (pass me the ice) Merson .. then I bow to your wisdom. He was bang on in his assessment. At the time, we needed 10 points from 13 games and Pulis didn't trust his squad to win them, so left most of them at home. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, the only reason Huth, Delap and Diao played at the Mestalla was because they were suspended for next Premier League game or two.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 21:36:50 GMT
No.. it was his and your opinion. So you don’t think we were capable of getting 10 points from our last 12 or so games? You’d have to be a pretty shit manager for that to happen, no?
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 21:41:03 GMT
No.. it was his and your opinion. So you don’t think we were capable of getting 10 points from our last 12 or so games? You’d have to be a pretty shit manager for that to happen, no? I've no idea. And neither have you.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 21:48:39 GMT
So you don’t think we were capable of getting 10 points from our last 12 or so games? You’d have to be a pretty shit manager for that to happen, no? I've no idea. And neither have you. I have, yes. We should have been capable of getting 10 points from 12 games with the squad we had. If we’d failed to do that, irrespective of Europe, that would’ve been a grotesque failure of management.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 22:03:02 GMT
I've no idea. And neither have you. I have, yes. We should have been capable of getting 10 points from 12 games with the squad we had. If we’d failed to do that, irrespective of Europe, that would’ve been a grotesque failure of management. How the hell do you think you know (knew) what was going on at the club and team at that time.? You've no idea what Injuries, niggles and stuff was going on.. Or even the mythical ten points was achievable.. Perhaps it could have needed 15 points. Total unadulterated hypothetical anti Pulis rubbish.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 22:06:13 GMT
Well.. if you're going to hang on every word of that acclaimed knowledge of football (has he ever managed?) Paul (pass me the ice) Merson .. then I bow to your wisdom. He was bang on in his assessment. At the time, we needed 10 points from 13 games and Pulis didn't trust his squad to win them, so left most of them at home. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, the only reason Huth, Delap and Diao played at the Mestalla was because they were suspended for next Premier League game or two. Haha. Think you've scored an own goal there matey.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 22:07:20 GMT
I have, yes. We should have been capable of getting 10 points from 12 games with the squad we had. If we’d failed to do that, irrespective of Europe, that would’ve been a grotesque failure of management. How the hell do you think you know (knew) what was going on at the club and team at that time.? You've no idea what Injuries, niggles and stuff was going on.. Or even the mythical ten points was achievable.. Perhaps it could have needed 15 points. Total unadulterated hypothetical anti Pulis rubbish. It hadn’t needed close to 15 points for literally years. I know we didn’t have injury niggles because I, you know, remember stuff. Even with them you’d have to be shit to only pick up 10 points from 12 games and if Pulis is the manager you think he is why do you think that would’ve been a problem?
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 7, 2023 22:13:55 GMT
How the hell do you think you know (knew) what was going on at the club and team at that time.? You've no idea what Injuries, niggles and stuff was going on.. Or even the mythical ten points was achievable.. Perhaps it could have needed 15 points. Total unadulterated hypothetical anti Pulis rubbish. It hadn’t needed close to 15 points for literally years. I know we didn’t have injury niggles because I, you know, remember stuff. Even with them you’d have to be shit to only pick up 10 points from 12 games and if Pulis is the manager you think he is why do you think that would’ve been a problem? I've no idea. Perhaps he thought that if a couple of key players picked up serious injury then he would be in deep doodoo, especially with huth missing for the next couple of games. You don't know mate.
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