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Post by Marc01 on Jan 2, 2023 19:59:50 GMT
Unless I misheard, that is what the presenter on P&G read out when I turned the car radio on.
I think that in recent years, during the home games at least, the crowd have, collectively, been unbelievably tolerant. Ambivalent and placid in comparison to protests during the later years at the Vic and early years at the Brit.
For years, opposition GK’s generally seem to have such an astonishingly easy ride at Stoke’s home games. Perhaps the complete lack of excitement and being conditioned to expect it has contributed to the fans being in a daze?….
The description, “toxic” just doesn’t seem accurate; today was the first real collective disquiet for yonks.
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Post by philb on Jan 2, 2023 20:02:44 GMT
It’s just as much about what’s going on off the pitch as on it for me. A complete lack of direction in both.
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Post by matelot1996 on Jan 2, 2023 20:05:55 GMT
Unless I misheard, that is what the presenter on P&G read out when I turned the car radio on. I think that in recent years, during the home games at least, the crowd have, collectively, been unbelievably tolerant. Ambivalent and placid in comparison to protests during the later years at the Vic and early years at the Brit. For years, opposition GK’s generally seem to have such an astonishingly easy ride at Stoke’s home games. Perhaps the complete lack of excitement and being conditioned to expect it has contributed to the fans being in a daze?…. The description, “toxic” just doesn’t seem accurate; today was the first real collective disquiet for yonks. Wonder if the person spouting this shite has ever Millwall or West Ham fans when things aren’t going their way? |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 2, 2023 20:09:27 GMT
I think most of the fans showed great self control today. I don't think the fans reaction can be criticised or condemned today.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 2, 2023 20:12:46 GMT
I think most of the fans showed great self control today. I don't think the fans reaction can be criticised or condemned today. Beg to differ it’s only counter productive to the team Campbell and baker was ridiculous , yiyr not gif to wear the shirt even worse , they certainly didn’t lack effort |
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 2, 2023 20:13:44 GMT
If they think the fanbase is too toxic they need to get in the real world, 6 years of dross and still 20k crowds (apparently)
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Post by jzime on Jan 2, 2023 20:16:50 GMT
Many of our fans have been more than patient for longer than they have any right to be.
I, like most fans, could tolerate the club having a rough moment in its history if I could understand the vision and the direction that the board were trying to achieve. I could watch the team lose most weeks if I believed the players cared and if I believed the manager was trying to set the team up to score goals. At the moment, we're just not seeing that.
The truth is, Stoke fans are no more or less 'toxic' than most fans in world football. They cheer loudly when we play well, they sit and grumble (but still try to encourage the team) when we don't play well but give it a good go, they clap the players off at the end of the match if they believe that they have battled for the shirt, they boo and moan when we are really shit. Same as any fanbases anywhere in the world.
Our fans have watched Stoke City be shit pretty much consistently from about April 2016 onwards. For most of that period, no matter how poor the football has been, no matter how terrible the weather has been, and no matter how difficult the economic situation has been, fans have turned up loyally. If fans start to turn on the club in big numbers now, that isn't them being 'toxic' - it is people reaching breaking point and the club getting all the criticism it deserves.
'Toxic' fans who voice their discontent but still turn up every week are the least of our worries.
What the board should really be scared of is apathetic fans; the prospect of consistently getting gates of 10k or fewer next season should be keeping them up at night and they should be doing everything in their power to prevent it. If that came to be, they would have nobody to blame but themselves.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 2, 2023 20:33:26 GMT
Most of the managers have been give quite a bit of patience from the fans imo, look at MON, fans were still backing him and not really voicing all that much at games even though we had to sit through game after game of crap and watch him build an ineffective squad, its not toxic, a lot have just given up and continue going out of habit.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 2, 2023 20:33:46 GMT
Thought the fans were ok today - one or two disgruntled fans when some passing went astray.
I think I am correct in saying we have the worse home record in the division, I actually think they were unbelievably placid given where we are.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 2, 2023 20:34:39 GMT
Fans always, absolutely always react to what they see on the pitch. End of story.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 2, 2023 20:36:27 GMT
Thought the fans were ok today - one or two disgruntled fans when some passing went astray. I think I am correct in saying we have the worse home record in the division, I actually think they were unbelievably placid given where we are. I’m convinced also (surprisingly) there were more there today in the Stoke stands than on Friday night |
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Post by Marc01 on Jan 2, 2023 20:40:32 GMT
Thought the fans were ok today - one or two disgruntled fans when some passing went astray. I think I am correct in saying we have the worse home record in the division, I actually think they were unbelievably placid given where we are. |
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 2, 2023 20:40:40 GMT
The disconnect between club and fans hasn’t been bigger since we got relegated to the old division 2. When we got battered by Man City. Now, who’s to blame? The board who have ran the club to this point? Or the fans who are sick of the shit Theyr paying good money to be served up? Make your own mind up. The club needs to grow some fucking balls
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Post by ceejays on Jan 2, 2023 20:43:06 GMT
Anyone old enough to remember Mike Doyle’s comments on our fans ?
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Post by Marc01 on Jan 2, 2023 20:47:40 GMT
Since this report there’s been another 4 home games, I reckon it’s now:
54 wins and 56 defeats in the 148 home games since spring 2016
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 2, 2023 20:52:56 GMT
Anyone old enough to remember Mike Doyle’s comments on our fans ? No, what did he say? |
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Post by penkhullite on Jan 2, 2023 21:22:43 GMT
I think most of the fans showed great self control today. I don't think the fans reaction can be criticised or condemned today. Beg to differ it’s only counter productive to the team Campbell and baker was ridiculous , yiyr not gif to wear the shirt even worse , they certainly didn’t lack effort Reading past your predictive text bollocks, I despair. Who on that pitch, including the two you mention come out with any kind of credit? Apathy. A bigger problem than what's actually happening on the pitch. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 21:57:15 GMT
“Most toxic fan base”
Utter bollocks. If anything this fan base has been far too patient and forgiving for the last 5+ years of utter failure. At the end of this season (assuming we stay up which isn’t a given) it’ll be 5 full seasons of not even a sniff of the playoffs in a division that is mind numbingly wank. I can count on one hand the number of impressive teams we’ve faced since relegation (a few of which are now in the premiership where they belong) and this season there are legit 0 standout teams, just two who are significantly less wank than the rest.
That’s the summary of our competition since relegation, and yet we’ve not even managed to finish top half (with a serious relegation battle thrown in for good measure) if you had been told what the next 5 seasons would look like on relegation day, there’s no way you would believe it. It would take a conveyor belt of ineptitude for that to have occurred, and yet that’s how it’s transpired.
The powers that be should revere us as deities for our collective patience.
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Post by lordb on Jan 2, 2023 22:02:46 GMT
Unless I misheard, that is what the presenter on P&G read out when I turned the car radio on. I think that in recent years, during the home games at least, the crowd have, collectively, been unbelievably tolerant. Ambivalent and placid in comparison to protests during the later years at the Vic and early years at the Brit. For years, opposition GK’s generally seem to have such an astonishingly easy ride at Stoke’s home games. Perhaps the complete lack of excitement and being conditioned to expect it has contributed to the fans being in a daze?…. The description, “toxic” just doesn’t seem accurate; today was the first real collective disquiet for yonks. I agree the home crowd have been... Not at their best for years now but previous sides and managers got far more intense grief Mick Mills was an absolute gent (& a frustratingly flawed manager) and soaked up the kind of abuse without complaining once |
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 2, 2023 22:05:02 GMT
Just another wank buzz word that people like to use. File along with ‘he’s lost the dressing room’, ‘sleep walking to relegation’ and ‘his legs have gone’ as utterly shit phrases.
Our home form has generally been wank, and as a result our supporters are pissed off. We don’t need a shite buzz word to describe it.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 2, 2023 22:05:08 GMT
It’s not even scratched the surface of toxic yet. Anyone who was around in the mid to late nineties will know how toxic it can get down there if it really kicks off.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jan 2, 2023 22:07:17 GMT
I wouldn’t worry. Toxic is just the latest go to word/phrase, like ‘basket case’ was.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 2, 2023 22:08:32 GMT
Anyone old enough to remember Mike Doyle’s comments on our fans ? No, what did he say? Im wondering that too. Doyle was an important part of Stokes recovery under Durban when the fans were largely onside (as we were winning games). |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 2, 2023 22:35:39 GMT
I think most of the fans showed great self control today. I don't think the fans reaction can be criticised or condemned today. Beg to differ it’s only counter productive to the team Campbell and baker was ridiculous , yiyr not gif to wear the shirt even worse , they certainly didn’t lack effort Is 'yiyr not gif to wear the shirt' to the same tune as 'your not fit to wear the shirt' or has it got a different jingle to it? |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 2, 2023 22:36:45 GMT
Since this report there’s been another 4 home games, I reckon it’s now: 54 wins and 56 defeats in the 148 home games since spring 2016 Wow. We just have one of the worst home records in Europe over the last 5 years? Is there anyone other team that has lost more at home than it has won? |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 2, 2023 22:47:49 GMT
Just another wank buzz word that people like to use. File along with ‘he’s lost the dressing room’, ‘sleep walking to relegation’ and ‘his legs have gone’ as utterly shit phrases. Our home form has generally been wank, and as a result our supporters are pissed off. We don’t need a shite buzz word to describe it. File 'apathy' in the wank buzz word section aswell. The amount of times I see that word does my nut in. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Jan 2, 2023 23:14:50 GMT
“Most toxic fan base” Utter bollocks. If anything this fan base has been far too patient and forgiving for the last 5+ years of utter failure. At the end of this season (assuming we stay up which isn’t a given) it’ll be 5 full seasons of not even a sniff of the playoffs in a division that is mind numbingly wank. I can count on one hand the number of impressive teams we’ve faced since relegation (a few of which are now in the premiership where they belong) and this season there are legit 0 standout teams, just two who are significantly less wank than the rest. That’s the summary of our competition since relegation, and yet we’ve not even managed to finish top half (with a serious relegation battle thrown in for good measure) if you had been told what the next 5 seasons would look like on relegation day, there’s no way you would believe it. It would take a conveyor belt of ineptitude for that to have occurred, and yet that’s how it’s transpired. The powers that be should revere us as deities for our collective patience. I dunno if I’d agree with ‘utter failure’ as a characterisation of the last few years. To me that would have included another relegation, as we’ve seen with a few others that have come down from the Prem. We’ve been close to that but at least we’ve managed somewhat to have consolidated in the Champ. What has been absolutely terrible is the level of entertainment on offer, we’ve just been totally boring, mentally weak, lacking in effort and drive etc etc at different times or sometimes all at the same time since we came down. We don’t seem to have a winning mentality, or even any type of identity - no real ethos or anything else for the support to rally around. Just an endless revolving door of journeymen players either here for a last pay day or seeing us as a ‘stepping stone’ to something better in the case of loan players (deluded as they are given how most of the have gone on following their spell with us). For me that’s been worse than mid table finishes in the league. The only spell I’ve enjoyed was when MON first took over and we really looked like we wanted it. Don’t like this manager and his endless stream of shit, never once heard him say he’s got it wrong or we’ve not done well enough. Seems arrogant and full of a self belief that appears misplaced. If that’s the impression he gives off to me then I hope he’s different behind closed doors because if not I’m worried we may well go down or get very close. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 3, 2023 0:00:16 GMT
“Most toxic fan base” Utter bollocks. If anything this fan base has been far too patient and forgiving for the last 5+ years of utter failure. At the end of this season (assuming we stay up which isn’t a given) it’ll be 5 full seasons of not even a sniff of the playoffs in a division that is mind numbingly wank. I can count on one hand the number of impressive teams we’ve faced since relegation (a few of which are now in the premiership where they belong) and this season there are legit 0 standout teams, just two who are significantly less wank than the rest. That’s the summary of our competition since relegation, and yet we’ve not even managed to finish top half (with a serious relegation battle thrown in for good measure) if you had been told what the next 5 seasons would look like on relegation day, there’s no way you would believe it. It would take a conveyor belt of ineptitude for that to have occurred, and yet that’s how it’s transpired. The powers that be should revere us as deities for our collective patience. I dunno if I’d agree with ‘utter failure’ as a characterisation of the last few years. To me that would have included another relegation, as we’ve seen with a few others that have come down from the Prem. We’ve been close to that but at least we’ve managed somewhat to have consolidated in the Champ. What has been absolutely terrible is the level of entertainment on offer, we’ve just been totally boring, mentally weak, lacking in effort and drive etc etc at different times or sometimes all at the same time since we came down. We don’t seem to have a winning mentality, or even any type of identity - no real ethos or anything else for the support to rally around. Just an endless revolving door of journeymen players either here for a last pay day or seeing us as a ‘stepping stone’ to something better in the case of loan players (deluded as they are given how most of the have gone on following their spell with us). For me that’s been worse than mid table finishes in the league. The only spell I’ve enjoyed was when MON first took over and we really looked like we wanted it. Don’t like this manager and his endless stream of shit, never once heard him say he’s got it wrong or we’ve not done well enough. Seems arrogant and full of a self belief that appears misplaced. If that’s the impression he gives off to me then I hope he’s different behind closed doors because if not I’m worried we may well go down or get very close. Thats fair comment. Pulis Hughes Lou Gudjon Durban all got connected to the fabric of the club. I get the Impression neil hasnt engaged at all |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 3, 2023 1:02:04 GMT
Most of the managers have been give quite a bit of patience from the fans imo, look at MON, fans were still backing him and not really voicing all that much at games even though we had to sit through game after game of crap and watch him build an ineffective squad, its not toxic, a lot have just given up and continue going out of habit. Let’s not forget that MON’s main job was get rid of players to reduce the wage bill and avoid FFP penalties. He did that effectively. Unfortunately it left him with virtually no money to spend in the summer and the best he could do was bring in loanees. Gayle was a big mistake. I honestly believe we are much worse now than when MON was fired and we might have been better off keeping him. He also lost his three best players to injury - Souttar, Tymon and Powell. The biggest puzzle is Lewis Bake, who looked great at the end of last season but changed completely when they made him captain. He is playing out of position but that doesn’t explain his terrible performances that seem to get worse with every game. He has to be dropped for the good of the team. |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 3, 2023 1:07:06 GMT
“Most toxic fan base” Utter bollocks. If anything this fan base has been far too patient and forgiving for the last 5+ years of utter failure. At the end of this season (assuming we stay up which isn’t a given) it’ll be 5 full seasons of not even a sniff of the playoffs in a division that is mind numbingly wank. I can count on one hand the number of impressive teams we’ve faced since relegation (a few of which are now in the premiership where they belong) and this season there are legit 0 standout teams, just two who are significantly less wank than the rest. That’s the summary of our competition since relegation, and yet we’ve not even managed to finish top half (with a serious relegation battle thrown in for good measure) if you had been told what the next 5 seasons would look like on relegation day, there’s no way you would believe it. It would take a conveyor belt of ineptitude for that to have occurred, and yet that’s how it’s transpired. The powers that be should revere us as deities for our collective patience. I dunno if I’d agree with ‘utter failure’ as a characterisation of the last few years. To me that would have included another relegation, as we’ve seen with a few others that have come down from the Prem. We’ve been close to that but at least we’ve managed somewhat to have consolidated in the Champ. What has been absolutely terrible is the level of entertainment on offer, we’ve just been totally boring, mentally weak, lacking in effort and drive etc etc at different times or sometimes all at the same time since we came down. We don’t seem to have a winning mentality, or even any type of identity - no real ethos or anything else for the support to rally around. Just an endless revolving door of journeymen players either here for a last pay day or seeing us as a ‘stepping stone’ to something better in the case of loan players (deluded as they are given how most of the have gone on following their spell with us). For me that’s been worse than mid table finishes in the league. The only spell I’ve enjoyed was when MON first took over and we really looked like we wanted it. Don’t like this manager and his endless stream of shit, never once heard him say he’s got it wrong or we’ve not done well enough. Seems arrogant and full of a self belief that appears misplaced. If that’s the impression he gives off to me then I hope he’s different behind closed doors because if not I’m worried we may well go down or get very close. I seriously doubt he’s any different behind the scenes. He was brought in as a great saviour and turned out to be a big bag of bullshit. He’s clearly incapable of looking in the mirror and seeing that he’s a big part of the problem. In fact he is the problem. I’d fire him tomorrow. Sunderland are one point off the playoffs-they clearly don’t miss him. |
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