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Post by potter25 on Jan 2, 2023 19:53:58 GMT
I thought Thompson tried and put a shift as did Souttar. The rest were a disgrace
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2023 19:55:15 GMT
Ty did some good things and was absolutely not deserving of the ironic cheers that greeted his departure. Singling him out above all others is just strange Just out of interest, what were the good things he did? Until Powell came on he was the only player to offer any link up play. Dropped in and played nice balls into both wide players who subsequently Ballsed up, got the ball in the channels and set up play for Smallbone/Baker and at least looked to move around. In one passage of play I pointed out 3 runs he made for Brown who proceeded to not see him and give the ball away. Pointed the runs out and counted them for the bloke behind who slaughters him every week and even he was inclined to agree. Not saying he played well but he didn’t play bad enough to warrant the ironic cheers he got whilst the others escaped scott free. Thompson snd Souttar even got applause from sentinel stand at the end of the game. Idiots!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 2, 2023 19:57:20 GMT
Any insults would just bounce off Brown,just like the ball.
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Post by jontimmis on Jan 2, 2023 19:58:12 GMT
We can all talk about yester year, but the problem is now isn’t it. How do you address this?
I don’t know what our identity is and who are we building a team around?
I was critical of O Neil at times, but he wanted to build the team around a fit Powell and really get his wing backs involved in the game, give them space and get teams on the break.
The games I’ve witnessed lately, it’s hoof ball as a diagonal or down the line for two guys who cannot and don’t want to head it, with another guy who just runs around a lot in Smallbone.
We don’t pass through midfield with any conviction, our midfielders never break the lines and get beyond our number ten or our strikers. We are a 1 dimensional team.
We are extremely lethargic in possession if we do try and pass, there’s no zip or urgency and teams can just get back in position.
Then we send Bambi on ice up front, who’s been mega disappointing I have to say. Do I think the best we can hope for is to stay up, yes I’m afraid so.
Our home form is absolutely dismal, surely up there with the worst in the league?
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Jan 2, 2023 19:59:04 GMT
Bet none of the spineless fucks are chatting shite on Twitter tonate flog the lot
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Post by philb on Jan 2, 2023 20:00:04 GMT
Just out of interest, what were the good things he did? Until Powell came on he was the only player to offer any link up play. Dropped in and played nice balls into both wide players who subsequently Ballsed up, got the ball in the channels and set up play for Smallbone/Baker and at least looked to move around. In one passage of play I pointed out 3 runs he made for Brown who proceeded to not see him and give the ball away. Pointed the runs out and counted them for the bloke behind who slaughters him every week and even he was inclined to agree. Not saying he played well but he didn’t play bad enough to warrant the ironic cheers he got whilst the others escaped scott free. Thompson snd Souttar even got applause from sentinel stand at the end of the game. Idiots! To be fair I wouldn’t say any of the other players escaped scott free. They all got the abuse they deserved imo.Campbell should never be played as a striker though end of.
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Post by chamberlain on Jan 2, 2023 20:16:36 GMT
I thought Thompson tried and put a shift as did Souttar. The rest were a disgrace I agree about Thompson at least he didn't hide .
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Post by sealion100 on Jan 2, 2023 20:16:57 GMT
The bit that got me was when he tried to flick on a ball played to his feet ... should be experienced enough now to know when to hold the ball up
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2023 20:24:06 GMT
Brown was lucky he lasted as long as he did It was a toss up between him and the bone idle fucker up front with him and it seemed like the majority of the crowd thought the same judging by the reaction to both substitutions They were both shit but Campbell won more headers than Brown and that’s about it really. Brown again was pointless. Tymon, Baker, Smallbone and Brown were the 4 that definitely needed subbing.
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Post by march4 on Jan 2, 2023 20:38:34 GMT
And folk scoffed at TP for checking DNA before signing a player. Clive Clarke touched upon today in summarising on Radio Stoke. We don’t have a Walters, a Huth, a Whelan, a Shawcross in the squad. It was all about the DNA under Sir Tony. And talking of which, 10 years ago we had beaten Liverpool 2-0 on Boxing Day to go 8th , unbeaten at home in 15/16 matches (almost a full Prem season) and with what I considered at the time to be a squad that was massively overachieving and was desperate for reinforcements in January. Just let that sink in for a minute 8th in the Premier League. And that was the point that the new hierarchy pulled the plug on TP with the signing of Brek Fucking Shea (not TP’s signing either) & a very young Jack Butland. As I said so many times at the time’be careful what you wish for’……we’re a million miles off 8 th in a shit League and the only DNA on show from chairman to players is the DNA of a bunch of soft, spineless losers. It was 3-1 we won after Suarez had earned himself a dodgy penalty in the first five minutes.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 2, 2023 20:39:18 GMT
We can all talk about yester year, but the problem is now isn’t it. How do you address this? I don’t know what our identity is and who are we building a team around? I was critical of O Neil at times, but he wanted to build the team around a fit Powell and really get his wing backs involved in the game, give them space and get teams on the break. The games I’ve witnessed lately, it’s hoof ball as a diagonal or down the line for two guys who cannot and don’t want to head it, with another guy who just runs around a lot in Smallbone. We don’t pass through midfield with any conviction, our midfielders never break the lines and get beyond our number ten or our strikers. We are a 1 dimensional team. We are extremely lethargic in possession if we do try and pass, there’s no zip or urgency and teams can just get back in position. Then we send Bambi on ice up front, who’s been mega disappointing I have to say. Do I think the best we can hope for is to stay up, yes I’m afraid so. Our home form is absolutely dismal, surely up there with the worst in the league? Even the wing back system he’s currently employing is a wing back lite approach. Clarke or Tymon usually end up making a back four most of the time and that’s a major reason why when they do get the ball they very rarely have space. If you play wing backs they are your number 1 outlets. If you watch the warm ups, Clarke joins in as part of the back four and Tymon does the shooting drills. Not a clue what the aim of it all is.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 2, 2023 20:45:41 GMT
Under MON or Neil I’ve never thought the players weren’t trying, but the lack of bollocks and quality today bought out the outpouring of frustration. It looks to me that none of them enjoy or understand the game Neil is asking them to play. It doesn’t suit anybody. I think AN is asking them to run for 90 minutes and challenge for every ball. Well, you expect players to challenge for everything, but are they being worked too hard? Smallbone couldn’t even properly foul their player in the 90th minute because he was so fucked. We need to challenge smarter and be closer to the second ball. It’s just a mash up of a mess at the moment where we run around doing a lot of nothing.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 2, 2023 20:56:17 GMT
The chant was spot on for me, the only positives from today were Powell, Laurent & Souttar. The rest can just F*ck off. Powell did nothing
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Post by anchorman on Jan 2, 2023 21:08:26 GMT
Clive Clarke touched upon today in summarising on Radio Stoke. We don’t have a Walters, a Huth, a Whelan, a Shawcross in the squad. It was all about the DNA under Sir Tony. And talking of which, 10 years ago we had beaten Liverpool 2-0 on Boxing Day to go 8th , unbeaten at home in 15/16 matches (almost a full Prem season) and with what I considered at the time to be a squad that was massively overachieving and was desperate for reinforcements in January. Just let that sink in for a minute 8th in the Premier League. And that was the point that the new hierarchy pulled the plug on TP with the signing of Brek Fucking Shea (not TP’s signing either) & a very young Jack Butland. As I said so many times at the time’be careful what you wish for’……we’re a million miles off 8 th in a shit League and the only DNA on show from chairman to players is the DNA of a bunch of soft, spineless losers. It was 3-1 we won after Suarez had earned himself a dodgy penalty in the first five minutes. Thanks March…I stand corrected! We beat Liverpool that many times I get them mixed up! 😂
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 2, 2023 21:44:53 GMT
After they scored🤔not heard that for a few years. Also I think the crowd made their feelings known when Briwn was took off,then the cheering at the Campbell and Baker substitutions said it all I found it very worrying that when interviewed the manager didn't seem to think there was much wrong with that performance other than the outcome. I would have been tempted to boo even if we'd won, that was one bloody awful game of football. Very worrying interview with Neil. Seemed to think we did ok and said that today and Burnley were two completely different challenges that they had to approach in totally different ways yet picks the exact same team and doesn’t change the shape or approach of the team with any of the eventual subs he made. Nige should have asked if what he made of the ´you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ chant. BM
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 2, 2023 21:50:21 GMT
The chant was spot on for me, the only positives from today were Powell, Laurent & Souttar. The rest can just F*ck off. Powell did nothing Well, he did. Won the headers he was (stupidly) put on to do only for Delap to miss when it was easier to score. He played some neat bits when tight to the touchline too. Powell however should not be deployed as an impact sub.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 2, 2023 21:55:38 GMT
After they scored🤔not heard that for a few years. Also I think the crowd made their feelings known when Briwn was took off,then the cheering at the Campbell and Baker substitutions said it all I found it very worrying that when interviewed the manager didn't seem to think there was much wrong with that performance other than the outcome. I would have been tempted to boo even if we'd won, that was one bloody awful game of football. If he said that in the interview Coates needs to fuck the twat off pronto. Pinching a wage he is
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Post by peepin on Jan 2, 2023 21:59:37 GMT
I will get slated for this but from where I was sitting the only people who can look a fan in the eye today about their performances are Clarke, Bonham, Thompson, Smallbone (I know nobody likes him but he was the only player running into space, note the throw ins where the throw was aimless and he ended up running to the ball and the link up play with Powell) Powell, Laurent and Souttar.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 2, 2023 23:02:20 GMT
Well, he did. Won the headers he was (stupidly) put on to do only for Delap to miss when it was easier to score. He played some neat bits when tight to the touchline too. Powell however should not be deployed as an impact sub. This. Powell did at least win some aerial balls (including the one he put into the path of Delap). However, the fact that we are utilising Powell as an impact substitute where he is essentially being asked to be a target man (I assume, as all we did was lump clearances in his general direction) is crazy. The guy is a creative midfielder or number ten!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2023 23:04:21 GMT
I will get slated for this but from where I was sitting the only people who can look a fan in the eye today about their performances are Clarke, Bonham, Thompson, Smallbone (I know nobody likes him but he was the only player running into space, note the throw ins where the throw was aimless and he ended up running to the ball and the link up play with Powell) Powell, Laurent and Souttar. Bonham, finally, made a very good save but the goal came from his inability to deal with a simple back pass under zero pressure.
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Post by kerouac on Jan 2, 2023 23:12:35 GMT
Under MON or Neil I’ve never thought the players weren’t trying, but the lack of bollocks and quality today bought out the outpouring of frustration. It looks to me that none of them enjoy or understand the game Neil is asking them to play. It doesn’t suit anybody. I just think they aren't capable, the ball Baker played straight out of play says it all, there was zero pressure on him and two very easy options for him and he messed it up completely, he's also weak as piss, Smallbone is pretty much cardboard as a player doesn't do anything which is basically our entire midfield from tonight. Its simple simple parts of the game a lot of them seem to struggle with, they just aren't good enough. Absolutely spot on..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 2, 2023 23:12:44 GMT
I will get slated for this but from where I was sitting the only people who can look a fan in the eye today about their performances are Clarke, Bonham, Thompson, Smallbone (I know nobody likes him but he was the only player running into space, note the throw ins where the throw was aimless and he ended up running to the ball and the link up play with Powell) Powell, Laurent and Souttar. Clarke was the only player trying to drive forward with the ball and show any attacking intent, his distribution wasn’t great at times but at least he’s positive…….
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 2, 2023 23:26:07 GMT
I found it very worrying that when interviewed the manager didn't seem to think there was much wrong with that performance other than the outcome. I would have been tempted to boo even if we'd won, that was one bloody awful game of football. Very worrying interview with Neil. Seemed to think we did ok and said that today and Burnley were two completely different challenges that they had to approach in totally different ways yet picks the exact same team and doesn’t change the shape or approach of the team with any of the eventual subs he made. Nige should have asked if what he made of the ´you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ chant. BM I dont understand what hes on about, we lost both games despite two different challenges. He seems like a deluded idiot
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 3, 2023 0:44:40 GMT
It was 3-1 we won after Suarez had earned himself a dodgy penalty in the first five minutes. Thanks March…I stand corrected! We beat Liverpool that many times I get them mixed up! 😂 You also fail to say that we then went on an atrocious run where but for a win in late April/May we could well have been relegated
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Post by mattador78 on Jan 3, 2023 6:56:16 GMT
Is there though, without the goals there wasn't really all that to him before, maybe a little more effort but not much else. And to think some people called him a Rolls Royce of a player 🤣 Always have reliability problems which cost a fortune fix
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 7:15:37 GMT
Any insults would just bounce off Brown,just like the ball. He has the first touch of a trampoline
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 3, 2023 7:22:49 GMT
Couple of times now in interviews after defeats Neil has made reference to our form being poor for years and this is nothing new. I find this concerning, it’s as though he’s saying well we lost today, what’s the problem you should be used to it. Never expected miracles, but expected more than we’ve seen so far.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 3, 2023 7:37:54 GMT
I don't think it was through a lack of effort, just a lack of ability, they collectively for whatever reason, aren't very good.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 3, 2023 7:39:54 GMT
I will get slated for this but from where I was sitting the only people who can look a fan in the eye today about their performances are Clarke, Bonham, Thompson, Smallbone (I know nobody likes him but he was the only player running into space, note the throw ins where the throw was aimless and he ended up running to the ball and the link up play with Powell) Powell, Laurent and Souttar. Bonham, finally, made a very good save but the goal came from his inability to deal with a simple back pass under zero pressure. Same for the Burnley game too, he hesitated and didn't collect the ball when Souttar attempted to let it through. Moments later, we're 1 down.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 3, 2023 7:45:42 GMT
Bonham, finally, made a very good save but the goal came from his inability to deal with a simple back pass under zero pressure. Same for the Burnley game too, he hesitated and didn't collect the ball when Souttar attempted to let it through. Moments later, we're 1 down. Yep. Bang on
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