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Post by spikey2972 on Dec 31, 2022 10:31:18 GMT
we have 21 games left of the season ,we need at least another 20 points to avoid relegation. with this manager and the shower of shit team we have we will be lucky to reach 40 points ,i have supported stoke for 60 odd years and have seen some bad teams in that time ,but this lot of losers must be up there with the worst.we have a team of loan players and free transfers nobody else wants and all they are doing is in most cases is turning up and going through the motions.people keep saying it's not alex neil's team but how many other managers come into football clubs and turn it around with the players that are already there,i think whoever neil brings into this squad won't make a lot of difference because the rot has set in.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 31, 2022 10:34:22 GMT
we have 21 games left of the season ,we need at least another 20 points to avoid relegation. with this manager and the shower of shit team we have we will be lucky to reach 40 points ,i have supported stoke for 60 odd years and have seen some bad teams in that time ,but this lot of losers must be up there with the worst.we have a team of loan players and free transfers nobody else wants and all they are doing is in most cases is turning up and going through the motions.people keep saying it's not alex neil's team but how many other managers come into football clubs and turn it around with the players that are already there,i think whoever neil brings into this squad won't make a lot of difference because the rot has set in. Look, I think he's wank but this is utter bilge. 40pts? Relegation? Dig that sand out will you. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 31, 2022 10:37:10 GMT
So far we have 30 points after 25 and in both XG terms and PPG we are performing at just under the rate we were last season. We finished on 62 points last year and 14th place. That suggests we're more likely to finish in the high 50s than anything else.
We're not very good, but probably not bad enough to go down.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 31, 2022 10:40:03 GMT
His current hit rate is 1.2 ppg over 19 games - which will yield a finish of 55 points from here for the rest of the season if that carries on.
His rate at Preston over 216 games was 1.38.
Norwich was 1.46 including a relegation season.
Much improvement needed as we move forwards.
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Post by march4 on Dec 31, 2022 10:41:39 GMT
Since the mid season break we are much improved.
We need to stop the comical defending that is gifting teams goals and a commanding keeper should cure that.
We look fitter, stronger and more committed.
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Post by Gods on Dec 31, 2022 10:46:55 GMT
His current hit rate is 1.2 ppg over 19 games - which will yield a finish of 55 points from here for the rest of the season if that carries on.
His rate at Preston over 216 games was 1.38. Norwich was 1.46 including a relegation season. Much improvement needed as we move forwards.
I guess the Norwich figure includes a Premier league season so its an apples with pears comparison. He wasn't amazing at Preston was he? I mean if we were to nudge up from 1.2 points per game to 1.38 I don't think anyone will be arranging a ticker-tape reception for him at seasons end in the Town Hall! |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 31, 2022 10:51:38 GMT
His current hit rate is 1.2 ppg over 19 games - which will yield a finish of 55 points from here for the rest of the season if that carries on.
His rate at Preston over 216 games was 1.38. Norwich was 1.46 including a relegation season. Much improvement needed as we move forwards.
I guess the Norwich figure includes a Premier league season so its not quite an apples with pears comparison. He wasn't amazing at Preston was he? I mean if we were to nudge up from 1.2 points per game to 1.38 I don't think anyone will be arranging a ticker-tape reception for him at seasons end in the Town Hall! He got PNE to 7th, 9th and 14th in his 3 full seasons there with the 4th lowest budget in the league So suppose the hope is he could do more with a competitive budget. |
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Post by milky on Dec 31, 2022 11:01:41 GMT
Since the mid season break we are much improved. We need to stop the comical defending that is gifting teams goals and a commanding keeper should cure that. We look fitter, stronger and more committed. To be fair I can't see what any keeper can do if one of his defenders twats the ball into his back rather than clearing it out. I agree we need better though. I don't think the comical defending will stop any time soon though with this current shower. |
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Post by iamstokie on Dec 31, 2022 11:06:57 GMT
Since the mid season break we are much improved. We need to stop the comical defending that is gifting teams goals and a commanding keeper should cure that. We look fitter, stronger and more committed. You only think it’s improved because he’s churning out hoof ball , it’s as dour and turgid as I’ve ever seen |
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 31, 2022 11:11:12 GMT
I guess the Norwich figure includes a Premier league season so its not quite an apples with pears comparison. He wasn't amazing at Preston was he? I mean if we were to nudge up from 1.2 points per game to 1.38 I don't think anyone will be arranging a ticker-tape reception for him at seasons end in the Town Hall! He got PNE to 7th, 9th and 14th in his 3 full seasons there with the 4th lowest budget in the league So suppose the hope is he could do more with a competitive budget. That last paragraph is the frightening logic behind the Rowett appointment I'm certain. Give him a bigger budget than what he had at Derby and away we go. |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 31, 2022 11:11:25 GMT
Barring a complete meltdown I cannot see us being relegated nor in a scrap for same - there has been a bit more fight and desire these past three or four games which is positive but some fundamental problems remain that will most likely see us mid-table again - anything better than that will be a welcome bonus but not holding my breath.....the outcome of the transfer window will be shit or bust for Neil.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 31, 2022 11:45:22 GMT
I guess the Norwich figure includes a Premier league season so its not quite an apples with pears comparison. He wasn't amazing at Preston was he? I mean if we were to nudge up from 1.2 points per game to 1.38 I don't think anyone will be arranging a ticker-tape reception for him at seasons end in the Town Hall! He got PNE to 7th, 9th and 14th in his 3 full seasons there with the 4th lowest budget in the league So suppose the hope is he could do more with a competitive budget. A bit like Gary Rowett then |
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 31, 2022 11:45:27 GMT
I really think first half last night was more than reasonable, we had a good shape, energy and more than matched Burnley. I always felt we couldn't keep up that level of intensity all the match & so it proves. We are getting there slowly, a few tweaks in January and we should see a considerable improvement.
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Post by iamstokie on Dec 31, 2022 11:56:23 GMT
I really think first half last night was more than reasonable, we had a good shape, energy and more than matched Burnley. I always felt we couldn't keep up that level of intensity all the match & so it proves. We are getting there slowly, a few tweaks in January and we should see a considerable improvement. I think them been so poor first half made us look better than we were , we were very sloppy in both tackling and passing |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 31, 2022 12:00:23 GMT
His current hit rate is 1.2 ppg over 19 games - which will yield a finish of 55 points from here for the rest of the season if that carries on.
His rate at Preston over 216 games was 1.38. Norwich was 1.46 including a relegation season. Much improvement needed as we move forwards.
I guess the Norwich figure includes a Premier league season so its not quite an apples with pears comparison. He wasn't amazing at Preston was he? I mean if we were to nudge up from 1.2 points per game to 1.38 I don't think anyone will be arranging a ticker-tape reception for him at seasons end in the Town Hall! Mediocre cv and we wonder why he's not made any positive impact its staggeringly bad managerial recruitment and you have to wonder why |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Dec 31, 2022 12:23:28 GMT
Since the mid season break we are much improved. We need to stop the comical defending that is gifting teams goals and a commanding keeper should cure that. We look fitter, stronger and more committed. Who was committed last night barring the odd few? |
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 31, 2022 12:25:18 GMT
I guess the Norwich figure includes a Premier league season so its not quite an apples with pears comparison. He wasn't amazing at Preston was he? I mean if we were to nudge up from 1.2 points per game to 1.38 I don't think anyone will be arranging a ticker-tape reception for him at seasons end in the Town Hall! Mediocre cv and we wonder why he's not made any positive impact its staggeringly bad managerial recruitment and you have to wonder why I agree, but seriously who else do you think we would recruit any better given our current playing squad and financial situation. Norwich and Huddersfield dropped lucky with Farke and Corboran , many clubs recruit foreign and it fails but that’s not mentioned, so not sure that’s the answer, it’s all a gamble really. Or it’s someone like Warburton, Wilder, Houghton etc. Anyway, look on the bright side I think there’s going to be a young, passionate British manager out of work soon who’s worked miracles in the championship with no money and crap squad. His name is Nathan Jones. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Dec 31, 2022 12:25:41 GMT
I really think first half last night was more than reasonable, we had a good shape, energy and more than matched Burnley. I always felt we couldn't keep up that level of intensity all the match & so it proves. We are getting there slowly, a few tweaks in January and we should see a considerable improvement. It was poor management. Should have changed it much sooner, we had a strong bench and extra subs now. |
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Post by march4 on Dec 31, 2022 12:31:13 GMT
Since the mid season break we are much improved. We need to stop the comical defending that is gifting teams goals and a commanding keeper should cure that. We look fitter, stronger and more committed. Who was committed last night barring the odd few? Could you not see the improvement between the capitulation against Watford and last night’s performance? Burnley have scored 3 goals in each of their last 6 league games. And since we drew at Turf Moor they have also scored 4 a couple of times. To be disappointed we didn’t get a point against them is a considerable stride forwards. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 31, 2022 12:54:53 GMT
We’ve played 26 games already?
Jesus, I can barely remember a handful.
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Post by gawa on Dec 31, 2022 13:01:44 GMT
He got PNE to 7th, 9th and 14th in his 3 full seasons there with the 4th lowest budget in the league So suppose the hope is he could do more with a competitive budget. Any source in regards to the budget? He had a very competitive budget at Norwich and Sunderland in the summer. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 31, 2022 13:08:35 GMT
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 31, 2022 13:42:46 GMT
We do love a bit of over reactionary drama on here don’t we.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Dec 31, 2022 14:14:04 GMT
Who was committed last night barring the odd few? Could you not see the improvement between the capitulation against Watford and last night’s performance? Burnley have scored 3 goals in each of their last 6 league games. And since we drew at Turf Moor they have also scored 4 a couple of times. To be disappointed we didn’t get a point against them is a considerable stride forwards. It was okay first half. They’re still nowhere near fit enough clearly. Midfield was missing as usual, Thompson did his job as he usually does. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 31, 2022 14:48:28 GMT
Could you not see the improvement between the capitulation against Watford and last night’s performance? Burnley have scored 3 goals in each of their last 6 league games. And since we drew at Turf Moor they have also scored 4 a couple of times. To be disappointed we didn’t get a point against them is a considerable stride forwards. It was okay first half. They’re still nowhere near fit enough clearly. Midfield was missing as usual, Thompson did his job as he usually does. March they were in second gear we made harwood bellis look like a cross between beckenbauer and baresi yet we know heee he was like Jimmy crankey it was a truly abject second half start to finish and not unexpected |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 31, 2022 15:00:39 GMT
We do love a bit of over reactionary drama on here don’t we. Yeah, seven years of continual decline and barely a protest. Overreactionary drama my arse. Wake up. The Coates love your sort. Swallow any old shit like a cheap skat film |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 31, 2022 15:05:16 GMT
63 points available then.
Be an achievement to get 30 or more.
Plus, can we prevent double figure home defeats as we are on 6 already.
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Post by independent on Dec 31, 2022 15:32:27 GMT
I don't see why we can't get a minimum of 30 points from them.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 31, 2022 15:43:22 GMT
We do love a bit of over reactionary drama on here don’t we. Yeah, seven years of continual decline and barely a protest. Overreactionary drama my arse. Wake up. The Coates love your sort. Swallow any old shit like a cheap skat film “We’ll be lucky to reach 40pts” Ok 😂 |
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Post by nott1 on Dec 31, 2022 15:51:38 GMT
Who was committed last night barring the odd few? Could you not see the improvement between the capitulation against Watford and last night’s performance? Burnley have scored 3 goals in each of their last 6 league games. And since we drew at Turf Moor they have also scored 4 a couple of times. To be disappointed we didn’t get a point against them is a considerable stride forwards. |
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