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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 7, 2023 19:31:31 GMT
I think he will be a top player still but he wasn’t ready. Time is ticking, probably should have dropped to League One for a loan or just been kept in cotton wool at Man City. We were all happy he signed but he clearly wasn’t championship ready
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 7, 2023 19:36:51 GMT
I think he will be a top player still but he wasn’t ready. Time is ticking, probably should have dropped to League One for a loan or just been kept in cotton wool at Man City. We were all happy he signed but he clearly wasn’t championship ready What makes you think he will be a top player? There didn't seem much there to get excited about.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 19:54:33 GMT
I think he will be a top player still but he wasn’t ready. Time is ticking, probably should have dropped to League One for a loan or just been kept in cotton wool at Man City. We were all happy he signed but he clearly wasn’t championship ready What makes you think he will be a top player? There didn't seem much there to get excited about. I think the raw ingredients were apparent. Physicality*/aggression/determination. There was just some sort of disconnect that made it all look a jumbled mess. But that’s often the case with young players. In Delap’s case, I suspect that something will “click” sooner rather than later. *he didn’t seem especially physically dominant but he was still a teenager and it was obvious that he was already at a level where he was competing physically with grizzled championship defenders, even if not winning those battles; so it stands to reason that he’ll be dominating those battles as he develops further physically
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Post by apb1 on Mar 7, 2023 20:32:36 GMT
I think he looked promising to start with. If he'd notched a couple early on it could have been a different story. Too early to say if he'll have a top career.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 7, 2023 20:45:21 GMT
If a big physical centre forward from 40,50,60 years ago come back in fashion, he will do OK.
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Post by shrewspotter on Mar 7, 2023 21:18:14 GMT
In danger of becoming a forgotten man, the next Freddy Adu or Justin Kluivert.
For me I can see why he was successful when he was younger, he is strong and he used his presence to bully centre halves, but now he's playing adults league football vs centre halves that have been round the block like Batth, Mepham, Cooper etc, there is no way a 17 year old can bully them
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 7, 2023 21:22:17 GMT
What makes you think he will be a top player? There didn't seem much there to get excited about. I think the raw ingredients were apparent. Physicality*/aggression/determination. There was just some sort of disconnect that made it all look a jumbled mess. But that’s often the case with young players. In Delap’s case, I suspect that something will “click” sooner rather than later. *he didn’t seem especially physically dominant but he was still a teenager and it was obvious that he was already at a level where he was competing physically with grizzled championship defenders, even if not winning those battles; so it stands to reason that he’ll be dominating those battles as he develops further physically Pretty much as I see it. You’ve probably explained better than I could tbh hence why I’m replying to this message rather than the one I was presented with. To me he’s just too raw for the rigours of the championship but his talent is evident albeit briefly in his time with us. In hindsight it wasn’t what we needed
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Post by fazza90 on Mar 7, 2023 21:31:45 GMT
I reckon he's got a good career ahead of him if he keeps up the effort. He improved significantly in the couple of months he was with us, he couldn't stay on his feet when he first arrived. He must have natural finishing ability to get all the goals he has done at youth levels regardless of if he bullied defenders due to his increased physicality. He's not championship ready yet but its good for his development at the expense of the team.
The whole situation shows what a joke under-21 football is though in that it's not like real football (Clive Clarke mentioned this a few times on commentary recently), so exciting prospects like Tezgel and Lowe need to be managed well and blooded in proper competitive football.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 9, 2023 8:15:24 GMT
I reckon he's got a good career ahead of him if he keeps up the effort. He improved significantly in the couple of months he was with us, he couldn't stay on his feet when he first arrived. He must have natural finishing ability to get all the goals he has done at youth levels regardless of if he bullied defenders due to his increased physicality. He's not championship ready yet but its good for his development at the expense of the team. The whole situation shows what a joke under-21 football is though in that it's not like real football (Clive Clarke mentioned this a few times on commentary recently), so exciting prospects like Tezgel and Lowe need to be managed well and blooded in proper competitive football. They need to be bloodied at the right time at the right level - while relegation is still a possibility (albeit looking less likely of late) it's not the right time and the Championship is not the right place. Despite being 19, one of the best prospects in his age group in one of the best youth teams out there and having the physical attributes to hold his own Delap failed to make a significant impact in our first team so I just don't get why anyone expects anything different from two 17 year olds not playing at the same level and, as far as I can see, having the same level of physicality. It's just wishful thinking. I actually thought Delap did ok here but then I don't have ridiculous expectations when it comes to young players. Once we get safe then giving Lowe and Tezgel (if fit) a bit of game time is fine but they need loans at a lower level to get them ready. Delap's performances at Stoke don't prove Delap is a poor player without a good future in the game it just confirms that the step up from youth football to the Championship is huge.
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Post by callas12 on Mar 9, 2023 9:07:27 GMT
I reckon he's got a good career ahead of him if he keeps up the effort. He improved significantly in the couple of months he was with us, he couldn't stay on his feet when he first arrived. He must have natural finishing ability to get all the goals he has done at youth levels regardless of if he bullied defenders due to his increased physicality. He's not championship ready yet but its good for his development at the expense of the team. The whole situation shows what a joke under-21 football is though in that it's not like real football (Clive Clarke mentioned this a few times on commentary recently), so exciting prospects like Tezgel and Lowe need to be managed well and blooded in proper competitive football. They need to be bloodied at the right time at the right level - while relegation is still a possibility (albeit looking less likely of late) it's not the right time and the Championship is not the right place. Despite being 19, one of the best prospects in his age group in one of the best youth teams out there and having the physical attributes to hold his own Delap failed to make a significant impact in our first team so I just don't get why anyone expects anything different from two 17 year olds not playing at the same level and, as far as I can see, having the same level of physicality. It's just wishful thinking. I actually thought Delap did ok here but then I don't have ridiculous expectations when it comes to young players. Once we get safe then giving Lowe and Tezgel (if fit) a bit of game time is fine but they need loans at a lower level to get them ready. Delap's performances at Stoke don't prove Delap is a poor player without a good future in the game it just confirms that the step up from youth football to the Championship is huge. Agree with this, don't think Harry Souttar would be where he is today had he not gone out on loan to Ross County & possibly more impactful was the move to Fleetwood Town when he did. He shone at Fleetwood & came back with glowing reports & seemed ready to be utilised in the first team on his return from that spell. That was an experience he simply wouldn't of benefitted from if had just been used in the U21 set up.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 9, 2023 10:31:57 GMT
They need to be bloodied at the right time at the right level - while relegation is still a possibility (albeit looking less likely of late) it's not the right time and the Championship is not the right place. Despite being 19, one of the best prospects in his age group in one of the best youth teams out there and having the physical attributes to hold his own Delap failed to make a significant impact in our first team so I just don't get why anyone expects anything different from two 17 year olds not playing at the same level and, as far as I can see, having the same level of physicality. It's just wishful thinking. I actually thought Delap did ok here but then I don't have ridiculous expectations when it comes to young players. Once we get safe then giving Lowe and Tezgel (if fit) a bit of game time is fine but they need loans at a lower level to get them ready. Delap's performances at Stoke don't prove Delap is a poor player without a good future in the game it just confirms that the step up from youth football to the Championship is huge. Agree with this, don't think Harry Souttar would be where he is today had he not gone out on loan to Ross County & possibly more impactful was the move to Fleetwood Town when he did. He shone at Fleetwood & came back with glowing reports & seemed ready to be utilised in the first team on his return from that spell. That was an experience he simply wouldn't of benefitted from if had just been used in the U21 set up. I agree. He got toughened up but was playing at a level where he was good enough to be picked on merit rather than have the manager bench him because he might not want to risk him at a level he wasn't ready for. Being picked regularly on merit and not having your inexperience exposed is also a massive confidence booster. I remember watching Souttar play before his loan against Nottingham Forest (a cup game I think) and really not being impressed - awful positioning and kept getting turned really easily. He came back a different player which wouldn't have happened had he stayed here and got a bit of game time in the occasional dead rubber or have the boo boys get on his back for being over played and not being the next Franz Beckenbauer.
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Post by louis11 on Mar 9, 2023 11:25:43 GMT
I seem to remember a young Harry Kane, going on loan to Norwich. Couldn't hit a barn door and just kept fouling. Whatever happened to him?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 9, 2023 11:31:27 GMT
I seem to remember a young Harry Kane, going on loan to Norwich. Couldn't hit a barn door and just kept fouling. Whatever happened to him? A better comparison would be his loan spell to Millwall surely as it was in the Championship? He scored 9 goals, one every 222 minutes. Delap has scored 3 to date, 1 every 584 minutes................
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Post by werrington on Mar 9, 2023 11:39:23 GMT
I seem to remember a young Harry Kane, going on loan to Norwich. Couldn't hit a barn door and just kept fouling. Whatever happened to him? A better comparison would be his loan spell to Millwall surely as it was in the Championship? He scored 9 goals, one every 222 minutes. Delap has scored 3 to date, 1 every 584 minutes................ When Leicester lost that dramatic play off at Watford they had 2 unused subs on the bench ….Harry Kane and Jamie Vardy Anyway we digress 😊
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 9, 2023 11:47:57 GMT
They need to be bloodied at the right time at the right level - while relegation is still a possibility (albeit looking less likely of late) it's not the right time and the Championship is not the right place. Despite being 19, one of the best prospects in his age group in one of the best youth teams out there and having the physical attributes to hold his own Delap failed to make a significant impact in our first team so I just don't get why anyone expects anything different from two 17 year olds not playing at the same level and, as far as I can see, having the same level of physicality. It's just wishful thinking. I actually thought Delap did ok here but then I don't have ridiculous expectations when it comes to young players. Once we get safe then giving Lowe and Tezgel (if fit) a bit of game time is fine but they need loans at a lower level to get them ready. Delap's performances at Stoke don't prove Delap is a poor player without a good future in the game it just confirms that the step up from youth football to the Championship is huge. Agree with this, don't think Harry Souttar would be where he is today had he not gone out on loan to Ross County & possibly more impactful was the move to Fleetwood Town when he did. He shone at Fleetwood & came back with glowing reports & seemed ready to be utilised in the first team on his return from that spell. That was an experience he simply wouldn't of benefitted from if had just been used in the U21 set up. It's not a one size fits all though. Some players need that loan and some don't.
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Post by MrFlirty on Mar 9, 2023 12:47:57 GMT
Amazing we have 21 pages about a player we had on loan for a short while and is now with another club…..that’s more than most of our current squad have ever had
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Post by RF10 on Mar 9, 2023 12:53:08 GMT
I seem to remember a young Harry Kane, going on loan to Norwich. Couldn't hit a barn door and just kept fouling. Whatever happened to him? A better comparison would be his loan spell to Millwall surely as it was in the Championship? He scored 9 goals, one every 222 minutes. Delap has scored 3 to date, 1 every 584 minutes................ He had already had a loan spell a Leyton Orient though to build that experience. I do think Delap will turn out to be a good player, not near the heights of Harry Kane which would be the dream for 95% of strikers in the world.
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Post by jm on Mar 12, 2023 11:30:54 GMT
Another game sat on the bench this weekend
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Post by thepottypotter on Mar 12, 2023 15:03:57 GMT
Delap scored!! For Preston Reserves against Blackpool
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 12, 2023 16:40:12 GMT
Another game sat on the bench this weekend It's certainly not the season he would have wanted. I'm not sure where he goes from here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 12, 2023 16:44:26 GMT
Another game sat on the bench this weekend It's certainly not the season he would have wanted. I'm not sure where he goes from here. Where he should have done in the first place……Girona
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 12, 2023 16:47:08 GMT
I think he was strong enough for the Championship he just didn't use it well/cleverly. He was all arms and legs and wasn't subtle. I’m not sure it was even that, it just felt like he wanted to prove he could dominate every CB in the league physically and that seemed to be his main focus. In turn not concentrating on what he could do differently to make him better and dominate in different ways.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 12, 2023 19:14:51 GMT
Another game sat on the bench this weekend It's certainly not the season he would have wanted. I'm not sure where he goes from here. Probably Shrewsbury. He's toss.
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 13, 2023 18:36:40 GMT
I seem to remember a young Harry Kane, going on loan to Norwich. Couldn't hit a barn door and just kept fouling. Whatever happened to him? A better comparison would be his loan spell to Millwall surely as it was in the Championship? He scored 9 goals, one every 222 minutes. Delap has scored 3 to date, 1 every 584 minutes................ Followed by 2 in 14 at Leicester...it takes time for most players to flourish
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 14, 2023 11:32:15 GMT
It's certainly not the season he would have wanted. I'm not sure where he goes from here. Where he should have done in the first place……Girona So a player who is struggling to make it in the second tier of English football should have gone to a club in the first tier of Spanish football? Why? Is the quality of their reserve football that much better?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2023 11:33:51 GMT
Where he should have done in the first place……Girona So a player who is struggling to make it in the second tier of English football should have gone to a club in the first tier of Spanish football? Why? Is the quality of their reserve football that much better? It's part of the established pathway at Man City though and presumably they'd have had a plan for him and his development there?
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2023 12:33:53 GMT
So a player who is struggling to make it in the second tier of English football should have gone to a club in the first tier of Spanish football? Why? Is the quality of their reserve football that much better? It's part of the established pathway at Man City though and presumably they'd have had a plan for him and his development there? Their plan hasn't worked so far! The mistake was made in the summer when they were too snooty to send him down to league 2 or non league where he could have got experience of men's football without losing his confidence and away from the pressure of TV and the spotlight on him. EDIT:I was also surprised that Rory allowed him to leave Derby academy for Man City. I would have imagined he was more grounded as the professional he was.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2023 12:38:25 GMT
It's part of the established pathway at Man City though and presumably they'd have had a plan for him and his development there? Their plan hasn't worked so far! The mistake was made in the summer when they were too snooty to send him down to league 2 or non league where he could have got experience of men's football without losing his confidence and away from the pressure of TV and the spotlight on him. EDIT:I was also surprised that Rory allowed him to leave Derby academy for Man City. I would have imagined he was more grounded as the professional he was. He went against the plan though to be fair, Guardiola wanted him to go to Girona.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 20, 2023 11:47:13 GMT
With how he played and how we're playing now does anyone else feel it was a bit hasty on all fronts to get rid/leave?
He was a busy energetic sort, over eager with the fouls but you'd hope that could be coached out of him. More of a presence than Gayle/Brown and a slight bit more of a threat.
No one wanted to seemingly keep the loan alive but with how things have gone, looks a bad call on definitely Man City's and his front.
Obviously doesn't look bad for us at all but he does seem suited to this style and I'd fancy him to be more a threat than the current 2 that have played up front.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 20, 2023 11:50:31 GMT
Compounded by an even worse decision to go to Preston. What was he thinking?
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