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Post by J-Roar on Mar 5, 2023 20:31:36 GMT
I still think he'll make it I hope he does. Seemed a decent lad who just came too early in his career to make an impact. MoN going must have been disruptive and I doubt working with his dad was great for him.
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Post by march4 on Mar 5, 2023 20:35:57 GMT
The most highly rated young striker in Europe and he struggles to make the grade.
It just goes to show how patient we have to be with Lowe and Tezgel.
Young players who make an immediate impact tend to have lightning pace or outrageous skill. They also tend to fade quickly in their mid-20s.
We need to treasure our youngsters and prepare them for a 15 year career at a high level.
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Post by ab61 on Mar 5, 2023 20:43:41 GMT
I still think he'll make it Make it where ! He will never make Man City squad and he will never make it in the Premier League. At best he will make it as an average championship player. Maybe !
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Post by a on Mar 5, 2023 22:47:39 GMT
The most highly rated young striker in Europe and he struggles to make the grade. It just goes to show how patient we have to be with Lowe and Tezgel. Young players who make an immediate impact tend to have lightning pace or outrageous skill. They also tend to fade quickly in their mid-20s. We need to treasure our youngsters and prepare them for a 15 year career at a high level. I was going to say this. Folk need to realise that when they say “stick youngster X on he can’t be any worse” isn’t necessarily true, they might be far worse. Delap was rated above any youth product of our own and as has been shown, it’s a huge step up to this league.
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Post by FrankButcher on Mar 6, 2023 2:25:23 GMT
His loan spells this season really haven't been fruitful he could do far worse than sitting under the learning tree of haaland and getting coached by pep next season he'd be third choice behind haaland and Alvarez but I feel pep has faith in him for the future or they would of sold him when Southampton came calling.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 6, 2023 2:36:44 GMT
The most highly rated young striker in Europe and he struggles to make the grade. It just goes to show how patient we have to be with Lowe and Tezgel. Young players who make an immediate impact tend to have lightning pace or outrageous skill. They also tend to fade quickly in their mid-20s. We need to treasure our youngsters and prepare them for a 15 year career at a high level. I was going to say this. Folk need to realise that when they say “stick youngster X on he can’t be any worse” isn’t necessarily true, they might be far worse. Delap was rated above any youth product of our own and as has been shown, it’s a huge step up to this league. If you look at the results of the u21 teams against League 1 & 2 teams they seldom win. Quite an indication?
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Post by metalhead on Mar 6, 2023 9:35:26 GMT
I still think he'll make it Make it where ! He will never make Man City squad and he will never make it in the Premier League. At best he will make it as an average championship player. Maybe ! I think he'll be a decent Premiership player. He's got a lot of potential. He showed it here. The one thing that didn't come were the goals and as a striker, that is what you are judged on. Still a talent. I think he'll come good eventually.
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Post by biglad180 on Mar 6, 2023 10:33:00 GMT
i think Man city missed out not selling him to Southampton when they had the chance,he might make a decent championship player but not a premier league striker, that is the reason i think Alex Neil is taking is time with Lowe and Tezgel, a few bad performances might destroy them, just break them in slowly and see how they go, let them settle in, look at the difference now in Smallbone,people on here were slating him early doors now everyone says he is our best player, credit to the lad he could have downed tools if he had red harf of the posts on here early doors about him,i hope liam goes on and have a good career as long as he does not score against us,
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 6, 2023 11:12:03 GMT
Thanks partly to Nigel, William Smallpiece is on his way to becoming a Stoke City Legend! I hope Liam is able to start making a similar impact in his career.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 6, 2023 11:24:03 GMT
In retrospect Pep probably wishes he'd probably taken the £15m. Who knows how Liam will do, but he's a cautionary tale to those who think youngsters can bring their age group form into the Championship at the blink of an eye.
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 6, 2023 11:28:51 GMT
Eey oop oldstokie! I see you were kind enough to like my post. I heard that you had been unwell so good to see you "back in action"!
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 6, 2023 13:04:13 GMT
Make it where ! He will never make Man City squad and he will never make it in the Premier League. At best he will make it as an average championship player. Maybe ! I think he'll be a decent Premiership player. He's got a lot of potential. He showed it here. The one thing that didn't come were the goals and as a striker, that is what you are judged on. Still a talent. I think he'll come good eventually. I don’t agree with that. He rarely won his 1v1 either on the ground or in the air. He didn’t link up play well. He didn’t score goals and he missed sitters. Not sure how that screams potential.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2023 13:26:02 GMT
He started ok with the general game but once he missed a few he looked like he had never played football before.
His control was pathetic.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Mar 6, 2023 13:32:03 GMT
Just struck me as a player who had been badly coached.
he was allowed to play a game that relied on his strength which was too much at under 21 and 18 level for the defenders at that age but never taught how to collect the ball, shield it properly and lay it off.
Always wanted to play on the half turn and nothing else and that was dealt with pretty easily by experienced defenders who he was able to outmuscle.
I blame the poor coaching by the way on Man City, not Stoke.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 6, 2023 18:17:17 GMT
In retrospect Pep probably wishes he'd probably taken the £15m. Who knows how Liam will do, but he's a cautionary tale to those who think youngsters can bring their age group form into the Championship at the blink of an eye. I doubt Pep is bothered about losing 15m, he has far bigger fish to fry.
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Post by jm on Mar 6, 2023 18:18:38 GMT
League 2 at best at the moment - has a lot of improving to do
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 6, 2023 18:23:34 GMT
I still firmly believe that Liam will make a good career in top flight football. He has good feet and will blossom in a side that creates opportunities, especially on the floor. Time will tell and if he hasn't made it in the next 3 full seasons you can fish this post out and...
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Post by hamsta2 on Mar 6, 2023 19:59:08 GMT
I still firmly believe that Liam will make a good career in top flight football. He has good feet and will blossom in a side that creates opportunities, especially on the floor. Time will tell and if he hasn't made it in the next 3 full seasons you can fish this post out and... John Bostock. Robin Friday. To name but two. I hope he does but it’s in the (de) lap of the gods.
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Post by a on Mar 6, 2023 22:31:26 GMT
I was going to say this. Folk need to realise that when they say “stick youngster X on he can’t be any worse” isn’t necessarily true, they might be far worse. Delap was rated above any youth product of our own and as has been shown, it’s a huge step up to this league. If you look at the results of the u21 teams against League 1 & 2 teams they seldom win. Quite an indication? Absolutely. Lot of it will be physical deficiencies but also experience and footballing intelligence.
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Post by wilcopotter on Mar 7, 2023 7:23:42 GMT
Since joining Preston no goals, no assists and an unused sub last Satdee. 22 games, 3 goals for Stoke. Says it all really. Hope he does well , hope our recruitment team do better next season, hanging our hat on such an inexperienced young player because he was on the books of a top team was very naive imo.
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Post by LGH87 on Mar 7, 2023 9:14:57 GMT
Since joining Preston no goals, no assists and an unused sub last Satdee. 22 games, 3 goals for Stoke. Says it all really. Hope he does well , hope our recruitment team do better next season, hanging our hat on such an inexperienced young player because he was on the books of a top team was very naive imo. Aye in hindsight but look at Tammy Abraham's record in this league at the same age & Delap was probably more highly rated than Abraham was before his loan at Bristol City. I was shocked by just how bad Delap was though. He's got a hell of a lot of development to do just to make it at this level.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 7, 2023 9:25:27 GMT
I still firmly believe that Liam will make a good career in top flight football. He has good feet and will blossom in a side that creates opportunities, especially on the floor. Time will tell and if he hasn't made it in the next 3 full seasons you can fish this post out and... John Bostock. Robin Friday. To name but two. I hope he does but it’s in the (de) lap of the gods. At least Robin Friday is immortalised in vinyl form & has a certain cult status
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 7, 2023 9:29:58 GMT
I think he was strong enough for the Championship he just didn't use it well/cleverly. He was all arms and legs and wasn't subtle.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 7, 2023 10:08:32 GMT
Since joining Preston no goals, no assists and an unused sub last Satdee. 22 games, 3 goals for Stoke. Says it all really. Hope he does well , hope our recruitment team do better next season, hanging our hat on such an inexperienced young player because he was on the books of a top team was very naive imo. And we were mostly all chuffed he was coming in.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 7, 2023 10:11:12 GMT
John Bostock. Robin Friday. To name but two. I hope he does but it’s in the (de) lap of the gods. At least Robin Friday is immortalised in vinyl form & has a certain cult status What a band.
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Post by femark on Mar 7, 2023 10:13:33 GMT
I think he was strong enough for the Championship he just didn't use it well/cleverly. He was all arms and legs and wasn't subtle. The amount of times he gave fouls away by bulldozing into players was unbelievable. The thing that stood out the most though, was when he got into decent positions his finishing/composure was poor.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 7, 2023 10:15:31 GMT
I think he was strong enough for the Championship he just didn't use it well/cleverly. He was all arms and legs and wasn't subtle. The amount of times he gave fouls away by bulldozing into players was unbelievable. The thing that stood out the most though, was when he got into decent positions his finishing/composure was poor. I think he focussed too much on the battle than the actual football. He'd go looking for the contact rather than the space to be free and having more time to control it.
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Post by mattythestokie on Mar 7, 2023 13:11:12 GMT
The amount of times he gave fouls away by bulldozing into players was unbelievable. The thing that stood out the most though, was when he got into decent positions his finishing/composure was poor. I think he focussed too much on the battle than the actual football. He'd go looking for the contact rather than the space to be free and having more time to control it. Something which worked for him when he was playing under21s stuff but you can’t take that into the first team and expect the same results at his size.
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Post by chell_rosey on Mar 7, 2023 13:25:16 GMT
The amount of times he gave fouls away by bulldozing into players was unbelievable. The thing that stood out the most though, was when he got into decent positions his finishing/composure was poor. I think he focussed too much on the battle than the actual football. He'd go looking for the contact rather than the space to be free and having more time to control it. I think you're right. He'd probably been told he needed to be 'tough' and overplayed that particular card to the detriment of everything else.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 7, 2023 19:26:54 GMT
I think he was strong enough for the Championship he just didn't use it well/cleverly. He was all arms and legs and wasn't subtle. The amount of times he gave fouls away by bulldozing into players was unbelievable. The thing that stood out the most though, was when he got into decent positions his finishing/composure was poor. He's wank. And in two years time he will still be wank.
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