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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 17, 2022 19:51:11 GMT
I’m not saying he’s the answer but thought he had a good game today. That save in the second half where he saw it late was a lot more difficult than it looked.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Dec 17, 2022 19:52:36 GMT
Yep, credit where credits due, he did well today.
Still need someone better, Iversen would be the dream, but I'm happy to have him as back up for now.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 17, 2022 19:54:46 GMT
I’m not saying he’s the answer but thought he had a good game today. That save in the second half where he saw it late was a lot more difficult than it looked. The one he grabbed at the 2nd attempt when their lad dummied it? Good save that and one which would unlikely draw much credit given it was straight at him
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Dec 17, 2022 20:32:04 GMT
Post by mrrine on Dec 17, 2022 20:32:04 GMT
Yeah decent today.
Like you say though - not the answer!
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Dec 17, 2022 20:35:47 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 17, 2022 20:35:47 GMT
I’m not saying he’s the answer but thought he had a good game today. That save in the second half where he saw it late was a lot more difficult than it looked. The one he grabbed at the 2nd attempt when their lad dummied it? Good save that and one which would unlikely draw much credit given it was straight at him That’s the one I was expecting it to end up in the back of the net.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Dec 17, 2022 20:37:43 GMT
Significantly better than Bursik. But still not good enough. Which says what you need to know about Bursik.
He just does the basics to the minimum standard acceptable for a Championship keeper and is also capable of pulling off the occasional good save, which is also a minimum standard for this level. But right now that comfortably makes him our best keeper.
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Dec 17, 2022 20:37:46 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Dec 17, 2022 20:37:46 GMT
He's doing okay. Obviously not the long-term answer, but the fact that he's starting over Bursik, even after he dipped his toe back into starting before the World Cup break, says it all.
Just trying to work out how any Bursik contract extension would play out, assuming we do have a 12-month option this summer, especially if we do bring a keeper in next month.
Let's say we do give Bursik the extra 12 months.
Unlikely we'll play him next season so he then potentially spends that 12 months out on loan in League One maybe - after which he's a free agent unless we commit another long-term contract worth maybe £250k-a-year on him.
He's going to want to play games at some level, and are we likely to be sufficiently convinced he's the man in the summer of 2024 - especially if we're already looking for Iversen or someone else to be the long-term answer?
How good would he have to be during this hypothetical loan spell for someone to spend something meaningful, at any stage, on him? Decent fees are pretty rare now and would anyone at our level or higher be sufficiently convinced he's worth a punt on the back of that season?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 17, 2022 20:41:26 GMT
He's doing okay. Obviously not the long-term answer, but the fact that he's starting over Bursik, even after he dipped his toe back into starting before the World Cup break, says it all. Just trying to work out how any Bursik contract extension would play out, assuming we do have a 12-month option this summer, especially if we do bring a keeper in next month. Let's say we do give Bursik the extra 12 months. Unlikely we'll play him next season so he then maybe spends that 12 months out on loan in League One maybe - after which he's a free agent unless we commit another long-term contract worth maybe £250k-a-year on him. He's going to want to play games at some level, and are we likely to be sufficiently convinced he's the man in the summer of 2024 - especially if we're already looking for Iversen or someone else to be the long-term answer? How good would he have to be during this hypothetical loan spell for someone to spend something meaningful, at any stage, on him? Decent fees are pretty rare now and would anyone at our level or higher be sufficiently convinced he's worth a punt on the back of that season? I wouldn’t be shocked if a Premier League team came in for Bursik, an English homegrown player as 3rd choice that they probably feel they could coach more out of him…….
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Dec 17, 2022 20:42:44 GMT
Post by SamB_SCFC on Dec 17, 2022 20:42:44 GMT
He's doing okay. Obviously not the long-term answer, but the fact that he's starting over Bursik, even after he dipped his toe back into starting before the World Cup break, says it all. Just trying to work out how any Bursik contract extension would play out, assuming we do have a 12-month option this summer, especially if we do bring a keeper in next month. Let's say we do give Bursik the extra 12 months. Unlikely we'll play him next season so he then potentially spends that 12 months out on loan in League One maybe - after which he's a free agent unless we commit another long-term contract worth maybe £250k-a-year on him. He's going to want to play games at some level, and are we likely to be sufficiently convinced he's the man in the summer of 2024 - especially if we're already looking for Iversen or someone else to be the long-term answer? How good would he have to be during this hypothetical loan spell for someone to spend something meaningful, at any stage, on him? Decent fees are pretty rare now and would anyone at our level or higher be sufficiently convinced he's worth a punt on the back of that season? Let him go. Nowhere near good enough.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 17, 2022 20:51:08 GMT
He's doing okay. Obviously not the long-term answer, but the fact that he's starting over Bursik, even after he dipped his toe back into starting before the World Cup break, says it all. Just trying to work out how any Bursik contract extension would play out, assuming we do have a 12-month option this summer, especially if we do bring a keeper in next month. Let's say we do give Bursik the extra 12 months. Unlikely we'll play him next season so he then maybe spends that 12 months out on loan in League One maybe - after which he's a free agent unless we commit another long-term contract worth maybe £250k-a-year on him. He's going to want to play games at some level, and are we likely to be sufficiently convinced he's the man in the summer of 2024 - especially if we're already looking for Iversen or someone else to be the long-term answer? How good would he have to be during this hypothetical loan spell for someone to spend something meaningful, at any stage, on him? Decent fees are pretty rare now and would anyone at our level or higher be sufficiently convinced he's worth a punt on the back of that season? I wouldn’t be shocked if a Premier League team came in for Bursik, an English homegrown player as 3rd choice that they probably feel they could coach more out of him……. Possible, but I'd be a bit surprised. Presumably he'd still have to be loaned out to the lower leagues at that point to get game time. Just think he's too far off for Prem teams to even see him as a long-term project at this stage. Seems fanciful to think anyone would pay a fee of any substance for him, so hard to really see him as an asset whose value we'd be protecting It's going to be interesting to see how his career pans out from here. I think everything between that and us just releasing him this summer are in-play. If you're behind Jack Bonham after approaching 100 games, you do seem a fair way off any Prem radars.
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Dec 17, 2022 21:07:10 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Dec 17, 2022 21:07:10 GMT
He might not be the answer in the future, but he certainly is a step up from Bursik! To be honest I would let Bursik go to a league one club in Janury to find his right level.
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Dec 17, 2022 22:48:20 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 17, 2022 22:48:20 GMT
He's doing okay. Obviously not the long-term answer, but the fact that he's starting over Bursik, even after he dipped his toe back into starting before the World Cup break, says it all. Just trying to work out how any Bursik contract extension would play out, assuming we do have a 12-month option this summer, especially if we do bring a keeper in next month. Let's say we do give Bursik the extra 12 months. Unlikely we'll play him next season so he then maybe spends that 12 months out on loan in League One maybe - after which he's a free agent unless we commit another long-term contract worth maybe £250k-a-year on him. He's going to want to play games at some level, and are we likely to be sufficiently convinced he's the man in the summer of 2024 - especially if we're already looking for Iversen or someone else to be the long-term answer? How good would he have to be during this hypothetical loan spell for someone to spend something meaningful, at any stage, on him? Decent fees are pretty rare now and would anyone at our level or higher be sufficiently convinced he's worth a punt on the back of that season? I wouldn’t be shocked if a Premier League team came in for Bursik, an English homegrown player as 3rd choice that they probably feel they could coach more out of him……. They could come in with an offer of about £500k and we’d sell. They’d likely loan him straight to league 1.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 17, 2022 22:49:07 GMT
Bonham seems to be improving slowly. Today, perhaps it's down to having Souttar and Jags in front of him. That will give him confidence.
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Dec 17, 2022 22:50:11 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 17, 2022 22:50:11 GMT
I still have a hunch we’ll try and use him for a deal for the Leicester goalie.
And by hunch I mean hope, really really hope.
As for Bonham. Still not good enough but that was a good save at the end.
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Dec 17, 2022 22:53:50 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 17, 2022 22:53:50 GMT
He’s never really let us down has he? Maybe that howler at Reading but other than that he’s been 6/10 and ok. That said I’d be looking to spend every available penny we’ve got on Iversen at Leicester on New Years Day.
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Dec 17, 2022 22:57:59 GMT
Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 17, 2022 22:57:59 GMT
2nd good game in a row for us. Gouranga.
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Dec 17, 2022 23:14:26 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 17, 2022 23:14:26 GMT
I still have a hunch we’ll try and use him for a deal for the Leicester goalie. And by hunch I mean hope, really really hope. As for Bonham. Still not good enough but that was a good save at the end. That's not a bad shout actually. Brenda clearly doesn't rate Iverson (hence his playing the truly dreadful Ward ahead of him) but might fancy his chances of unearthing the quality goalkeeper the England coaches think they can see in Bursik. A swap might also soften the cash we have to pay out up front as well. Bonham is a more than capable number 2.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 17, 2022 23:19:33 GMT
I still have a hunch we’ll try and use him for a deal for the Leicester goalie. And by hunch I mean hope, really really hope. As for Bonham. Still not good enough but that was a good save at the end. That's not a bad shout actually. Brenda clearly doesn't rate Iverson (hence his playing the truly dreadful Ward ahead of him) but might fancy his chances of unearthing the quality goalkeeper the England coaches think they can see in Bursik. A swap might also soften the cash we have to pay out up front as well. Bonham is a more than capable number 2. It may seem a bit mad to us but he’s clearly rated in the game and for a low fee/value it’s a bit of low risk/high reward sort of deal. They wouldn’t lose much if he didn’t get better but would have massive benefits if he did. Maybe I’m just being optimistic but as you say he doesn’t seem to rate Iversen that much so you’d hope some deal would be there. Why not sign the current England U21 number one as back up?
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Dec 17, 2022 23:21:53 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 17, 2022 23:21:53 GMT
That's not a bad shout actually. Brenda clearly doesn't rate Iverson (hence his playing the truly dreadful Ward ahead of him) but might fancy his chances of unearthing the quality goalkeeper the England coaches think they can see in Bursik. A swap might also soften the cash we have to pay out up front as well. Bonham is a more than capable number 2. It may seem a bit mad to us but he’s clearly rated in the game and for a low fee/value it’s a bit of low risk/high reward sort of deal. They wouldn’t lose much if he didn’t get better but would have massive benefits if he did. Maybe I’m just being optimistic but as you say he doesn’t seem to rate Iversen that much so you’d hope some deal would be there. Why not sign the current England U21 number one as back up? Fingers crossed.
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Dec 17, 2022 23:31:53 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 17, 2022 23:31:53 GMT
Blimey we think our keepers are poor but just watching the Boro highlights and how shit is their keeper, Steffen, he's 10 times worse than Bursik?
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Dec 18, 2022 0:05:20 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 18, 2022 0:05:20 GMT
Bursik is still very young for a goalkeeper. He has time on his side, but I don’t think we can afford to be giving him the chances he needs right now given where we are and how he’s performed. A move away is probably best for him if he can get one. Even if he drops down to L1 or L2 as first choice. He can work his way back up if he’s good enough. Is he still eligible for the under 21’s though, as I’m sure that will play a part in what he chooses to do?
Bonham was better last week than today purely because he had more to do, but he’s never going to be a top quality goalkeeper. He is your typical number 2. Steady enough most of the time but won’t do anything out of the ordinary and is likely to cock up every few weeks. There aren’t many good goalkeepers at this level.
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Dec 18, 2022 0:07:27 GMT
Post by pottersrule on Dec 18, 2022 0:07:27 GMT
He’s never really let us down has he? Maybe that howler at Reading but other than that he’s been 6/10 and ok. That said I’d be looking to spend every available penny we’ve got on Iversen at Leicester on New Years Day. How is Danny Ward keeping him out of the first team if Iverson is so good? Ward was hopeless for the first few games this season and I would have thought any competent keeper would have replaced him.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 18, 2022 0:10:54 GMT
Blimey we think our keepers are poor but just watching the Boro highlights and how shit is their keeper, Steffen, he's 10 times worse than Bursik? On loan from Man City. Dropped a massive clanger in the charity shield a year or two ago I seem to remember. Been a walking disaster every time I’ve seen him
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Dec 18, 2022 0:18:14 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2022 0:18:14 GMT
Blimey we think our keepers are poor but just watching the Boro highlights and how shit is their keeper, Steffen, he's 10 times worse than Bursik? On loan from Man City. Dropped a massive clanger in the charity shield a year or two ago I seem to remember. Been a walking disaster every time I’ve seen him Thought they bought him for a few million?
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 18, 2022 0:18:48 GMT
He’s never really let us down has he? Maybe that howler at Reading but other than that he’s been 6/10 and ok. That said I’d be looking to spend every available penny we’ve got on Iversen at Leicester on New Years Day. How is Danny Ward keeping him out of the first team if Iverson is so good? Ward was hopeless for the first few games this season and I would have thought any competent keeper would have replaced him. I don’t know, but Iversen was the best goalkeeper I saw in the championship last season when he was on loan at Preston.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2022 0:20:24 GMT
How is Danny Ward keeping him out of the first team if Iverson is so good? Ward was hopeless for the first few games this season and I would have thought any competent keeper would have replaced him. I don’t know, but Iversen was the best goalkeeper I saw in the championship last season when he was on loan at Preston. Ward has done excellently for my fpl side for what it’s worth. Quite a few clean sheets and lots of save points recently.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 18, 2022 1:01:04 GMT
On loan from Man City. Dropped a massive clanger in the charity shield a year or two ago I seem to remember. Been a walking disaster every time I’ve seen him Thought they bought him for a few million? Just a loan, maybe they wanted to buy him I dunno
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2022 1:31:45 GMT
Thought they bought him for a few million? Just a loan, maybe they wanted to buy him I dunno Sorry! I had it in my head they bought him.
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Dec 18, 2022 2:12:26 GMT
Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 18, 2022 2:12:26 GMT
What was he doing for their goal?
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Dec 18, 2022 8:47:49 GMT
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Post by a on Dec 18, 2022 8:47:49 GMT
He's doing okay. Obviously not the long-term answer, but the fact that he's starting over Bursik, even after he dipped his toe back into starting before the World Cup break, says it all. Just trying to work out how any Bursik contract extension would play out, assuming we do have a 12-month option this summer, especially if we do bring a keeper in next month. Let's say we do give Bursik the extra 12 months. Unlikely we'll play him next season so he then maybe spends that 12 months out on loan in League One maybe - after which he's a free agent unless we commit another long-term contract worth maybe £250k-a-year on him. He's going to want to play games at some level, and are we likely to be sufficiently convinced he's the man in the summer of 2024 - especially if we're already looking for Iversen or someone else to be the long-term answer? How good would he have to be during this hypothetical loan spell for someone to spend something meaningful, at any stage, on him? Decent fees are pretty rare now and would anyone at our level or higher be sufficiently convinced he's worth a punt on the back of that season? I wouldn’t be shocked if a Premier League team came in for Bursik, an English homegrown player as 3rd choice that they probably feel they could coach more out of him……. Could turn into another Bachmann, or not. Hard to know for certain at his age and playing in a fairly poor side. We just can’t risk having him as No1 when he’s making so many mistakes.
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