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Post by musik on Dec 12, 2022 16:35:43 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪
A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy.
Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country.
1) For instance if you are a prostitute.
2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is.
3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden.
4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant.
5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return.
6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially.
7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back.
8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye (=being sent back). It might include swedes as well.
The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that!
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Is it a similar situation in England?
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 12, 2022 17:45:26 GMT
Don’t worry Musik, I’m sure the UK will take on all of those people who may be deemed a problem for Sweden if these policies ever came into being. Hell, we’d even send you money for your problems too we are that daft.
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Post by felonious on Dec 12, 2022 17:50:04 GMT
Awaits but the UK is worse posts  |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 12, 2022 17:52:18 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye. It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England? What do the others in that other plane of existence you've been to make of the way we treat people on Earth? |
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Post by felonious on Dec 12, 2022 17:54:11 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye. It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England? Is multiculturalism not a success in Sweden? The usual line is that a confident welcoming nation will lead to immigrants integrating into the society and traditions of the host nation. Perhaps Sweden has reached it's breaking point  |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 12, 2022 17:56:38 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye. It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England? I wish! |
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Post by gawa on Dec 12, 2022 18:56:11 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye. It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England? Big extreme, no? And alot of things which can't necxesarily be proven. What happens if you work with someone who is committing fraud for example? Or someone you work with is dealing drugs outside of your knowledge? How does that work for rule "2"? Is the final rule not pretty extreme too? What does goodbye mean? If you were caught using drugs where are they going to send you too as a swede? What happens if it's a cancer patient using rso for example? Just fuck you off across the world for trying to survive? I worry such policy is very difficult to implement and comes at a great cost too. Reminds me of some of the stuff going around when we had the brexit referendum. And now here we are with more immigrants than ever before and the worst economy in decades. Such radical policies from Sweden I think could cause similar ripples. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 12, 2022 18:59:30 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye. It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England? Big extreme, no? And alot of things which can't necxesarily be proven. What happens if you work with someone who is committing fraud for example? Or someone you work with is dealing drugs outside of your knowledge? How does that work for rule "2"? Is the final rule not pretty extreme too? What does goodbye mean? If you were caught using drugs where are they going to send you too as a swede? What happens if it's a cancer patient using rso for example? Just fuck you off across the world for trying to survive? I worry such policy is very difficult to implement and comes at a great cost too. Reminds me of some of the stuff going around when we had the brexit referendum. And now here we are with more immigrants than ever before and the worst economy in decades. Such radical policies from Sweden I think could cause similar ripples. Maybe Sweden has competent politicians who can carry out their policies in a professional manner. Be interesting to see the upshot of their plans. Could be a template for others including the UK |
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Post by gawa on Dec 12, 2022 19:11:26 GMT
Big extreme, no? And alot of things which can't necxesarily be proven. What happens if you work with someone who is committing fraud for example? Or someone you work with is dealing drugs outside of your knowledge? How does that work for rule "2"? Is the final rule not pretty extreme too? What does goodbye mean? If you were caught using drugs where are they going to send you too as a swede? What happens if it's a cancer patient using rso for example? Just fuck you off across the world for trying to survive? I worry such policy is very difficult to implement and comes at a great cost too. Reminds me of some of the stuff going around when we had the brexit referendum. And now here we are with more immigrants than ever before and the worst economy in decades. Such radical policies from Sweden I think could cause similar ripples. Maybe Sweden has competent politicians who can carry out their policies in a professional manner. Be interesting to see the upshot of their plans. Could be a template for others including the UK I just think it's a bit extreme. Reminds me of the nazis storming people's houses looking for people hiding jews. Except modern day Swedish police hunting for immigrants. I tried to read the policy from the perspective of me immigrating to Sweden. I think it's stupid that I can be prosecuted for simply knowing a criminal, even though I may be unaware of the criminal activity. The drugs part too is just as stupid especially the fact residents of Sweden could also be deported for smoking a joint lol. Just reminds me of something I'd expect if immigrating to UAE or Qatar. Like what even are Swedish traditions for example? Am I gonna be expected to go to church or some shit? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 12, 2022 19:54:26 GMT
Maybe Sweden has competent politicians who can carry out their policies in a professional manner. Be interesting to see the upshot of their plans. Could be a template for others including the UK I just think it's a bit extreme. Reminds me of the nazis storming people's houses looking for people hiding jews. Except modern day Swedish police hunting for immigrants. I tried to read the policy from the perspective of me immigrating to Sweden. I think it's stupid that I can be prosecuted for simply knowing a criminal, even though I may be unaware of the criminal activity. The drugs part too is just as stupid especially the fact residents of Sweden could also be deported for smoking a joint lol. Just reminds me of something I'd expect if immigrating to UAE or Qatar. Like what even are Swedish traditions for example? Am I gonna be expected to go to church or some shit? Maybe Musik was a little matter of fact in his post and the points would need drilling down. In theory I am in favour of most of it albeit on a more fluffy scale to what was posted. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 19:54:33 GMT
I think prostitution is far more moral than only fans.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Dec 12, 2022 20:12:52 GMT
Christ, what kind of prison is #5 -- "if they'll survive"
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Post by musik on Dec 12, 2022 21:21:17 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye. It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England? What do the others in that other plane of existence you've been to make of the way we treat people on Earth? They're disappointed in many things we do. So there's hope - some day, somewhere. |
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Post by musik on Dec 12, 2022 21:25:01 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye. It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England? Is multiculturalism not a success in Sweden? The usual line is that a confident welcoming nation will lead to immigrants integrating into the society and traditions of the host nation. Perhaps Sweden has reached it's breaking point No it's not a success, they have focused on bringing people in without any thoughts on integration. I feel sorry for them. So now they've started the returning process, direct or indirectly. So it's a double fault. If they served right the first time, they would not need the second ball. |
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Post by musik on Dec 12, 2022 21:33:27 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye. It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England? I wish! With 60 dead shootings this year only (and some of them innocent people not involved in any gang fights), we have six times as many as in all the other scandinavian countries together. So yes it's drastic measures, and to me it feels like an amputation when they find no other solution. |
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Post by musik on Dec 12, 2022 21:35:31 GMT
Don’t worry Musik, I’m sure the UK will take on all of those people who may be deemed a problem for Sweden if these policies ever came into being. Hell, we’d even send you money for your problems too we are that daft. The Liberal party leader here said "some of the things in the Tidlö-agreement are "sick", but we decide to go through with it for Sweden since the alternative is not an option." |
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Post by musik on Dec 12, 2022 21:39:48 GMT
Christ, what kind of prison is #5 -- "if they'll survive" They have suggested not only agreements with Bulgaria and Romania, but also Afghanistan. And from what I've heard from a report it's really really a challenge there. The cost for having a criminal in a swedish prison per month is three times(!) larger than our median full time monthly income. |
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Post by musik on Dec 12, 2022 21:54:56 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye. It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England? Big extreme, no? And alot of things which can't necessarily be proven. What happens if you work with someone who is committing fraud for example? Or someone you work with is dealing drugs outside of your knowledge? How does that work for rule "2"? Is the final rule not pretty extreme too? What does goodbye mean? If you were caught using drugs where are they going to send you too as a swede? What happens if it's a cancer patient using rso for example? Just fuck you off across the world for trying to survive? I worry such policy is very difficult to implement and comes at a great cost too. Reminds me of some of the stuff going around when we had the brexit referendum. And now here we are with more immigrants than ever before and the worst economy in decades. Such radical policies from Sweden I think could cause similar ripples. The SD leader said yesterday, now it's the time to act, because these actions and how well it works out will decide the outcome of the next National Election in 2026. I agree it will be difficult or very difficult to implement some of the suggestions. I might clarify, the "know someone criminal" will only be applied to immigrants. Possibly "doing any kind of drug" too. The drug thing could involve swedes as well, but they haven't discussed enough in detail yet. I think their feeling is the whole "drug problem thing" is a foreign thing, having it's origin abroad - Sweden's own production of cocaine, heroine, weed and opiods is very low to say the least. When they declared "knowing a criminal" they probably was after a way to eliminate the suburbans. If one person is a criminal there and he knows ten people who knows what he's doing, then 11 will have to go (=sent out). They have promised the no go zones won't exist under their regime, and this is obviously what they meant. This week the journalists go on and on about what the f@ck "know" means. No wonder. Have the politicians thought about it enough in advance? They surely must mean "to some extent take part in criminal activities"?? Or maybe, "know he's a criminal but didn't inform the Police about it". |
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Post by musik on Dec 12, 2022 21:59:00 GMT
Maybe Sweden has competent politicians who can carry out their policies in a professional manner. Be interesting to see the upshot of their plans. Could be a template for others including the UK I just think it's a bit extreme. Reminds me of the nazis storming people's houses looking for people hiding jews. Except modern day Swedish police hunting for immigrants. I tried to read the policy from the perspective of me immigrating to Sweden. I think it's stupid that I can be prosecuted for simply knowing a criminal, even though I may be unaware of the criminal activity. The drugs part too is just as stupid especially the fact residents of Sweden could also be deported for smoking a joint lol. Just reminds me of something I'd expect if immigrating to UAE or Qatar. Like what even are Swedish traditions for example? Am I gonna be expected to go to church or some shit? By swedish tradition they mean act and dress like swedes do. They've said it's to eliminate cultural differences. I also in my mind pictured nazis storming houses. I don't like to divide a society into "we" and "them". 99% of the people coming here are absolutely fine. But the former politicians have themselves to blame. |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 12, 2022 22:21:30 GMT
I'll wait to see how this plays out.  |
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Post by wannabee on Dec 12, 2022 22:29:17 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye. It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England?Thankfully not yet, but obviously some on this MB would wish it to be so. As I understand it it may be somewhat difficult to carry out some of these Policies as they contravene the Swedish Constitution, I guess we'll see There are some similarities and indeed some glaring contradictions Similar to UK The issues of the Election were Healthcare waiting times (despite the highest taxes in the World) followed by Education and Law and Order. The natural thing to do was to blame immigrants as the source of all your problems to win votes which was effective in Rural but not Urban areas. An irony is that in 2021 there were 11,000 immigrants to a 10 Million Population These are numbers any member of ERG would drool over and the contradiction is UK Economic Plan calls for 200K+ immigrants a figure very unlikely to be achieved given 2021 was 350K+ The Policies do have echoes of the East German Stasi where up to one third of the population were spying on the other two thirds. You haven't explicitly explained that all Government employees will be obliged to inform on any contraventionof these new Policies. This of course will mainly be ignored Like all Political Parties there is the usual hypocrisy from the Far Right Sweden "Democrats" the second biggest Party after the Opposition Social Democrats Although not part of the official Government it's their Manifesto which is being pursued Conveniently they refused to include Social Welfare Reform as they heavily rely on the Votes of these recipients for their votes who as previously mentioned blame immigrants for all their troubles. Another similarity with UK is like the 2010 UK Election the Liberals will be wiped out at the next having vowed not to work with the Sweden Democrats A further irony is that current discontent with inflation and rising unemployment is that part of the woes stem from Covid Policy as despite a higher Mortality Rate than its Peers the Economy fared no better and on some measures worse. |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 12, 2022 22:45:36 GMT
Seems quite a bit of it will be difficult if not impossible to enforce and as Einstein said -
"Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced"
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 12, 2022 23:07:31 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye. It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England? Sounds like some outstanding propositions and incredibly refreshing to see in such a dark era for the left leaning West. |
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Post by musik on Dec 13, 2022 0:37:19 GMT
The Policies do have echoes of the East German Stasi where up to one third of the population were spying on the other two thirds. You haven't explicitly explained that all Government employees will be obliged to inform on any contravention of these new Policies. This of course will mainly be ignored Not a pieceful friendly climate. And the citizens doing the job of the police. Not only government employees will be obliged to inform ... anyone working at an authority of any kind, teachers at school, doctors ... The leader of the SD party was asked yesterday if it really was necessary and he answered "if teachers had to do this, it might not be optimal. And the people it concerns can always step forward first ..." |
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Post by musik on Dec 13, 2022 0:39:36 GMT
Seems quite a bit of it will be difficult if not impossible to enforce and as Einstein said - "Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced" They're working 24/7 to change the constitutions, lead by the Conservatives. Let's see how it works out. |
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Post by musik on Dec 13, 2022 0:55:22 GMT
As I understand it it may be somewhat difficult to carry out some of these Policies as they contravene the Swedish Constitution, I guess we'll see Similar to UK The issues of the Election were Healthcare waiting times They're changing the Swedish Constitution as fast as they can now. It's definitely the primary goal atm. It's lead by the Prime Minister, Conservative Party, Ulf Kristersson. But they've said even if we'll see some changes in 2023, some other changes will come in 2024. They all call it the big Paradigm Shift. It sure is. If this goes well (= as the majority of the citizens want it to be), there's no way they wouldn't win the next National Election in 2026. They still lead in the latest opinion poll. The queues in Health care is a big issue here as well. However Law and Order was the number one for the voters this time. The Christ Democrats' task is to sort out the Health Care sector. I hope it succeeds. The Christ Democrats will also put together and present a list to us all, so we will know what music and what books we are allowed to read. They will also redirect the purpose of public service. I guess it means only swedish books, music, films and art - or at least mainly. They talk about a classics list as well everyone should be tested at. |
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Post by wannabee on Dec 13, 2022 2:23:10 GMT
As I understand it it may be somewhat difficult to carry out some of these Policies as they contravene the Swedish Constitution, I guess we'll see Similar to UK The issues of the Election were Healthcare waiting times They're changing the Swedish Constitution as fast as they can now. It's definitely the primary goal atm. It's lead by the Prime Minister, Conservative Party, Ulf Kristersson. But they've said even if we'll see some changes in 2023, some other changes will come in 2024. They all call it the big Paradigm Shift. It sure is. If this goes well (= as the majority of the citizens want it to be), there's no way they wouldn't win the next National Election in 2026. They still lead in the latest opinion poll. The queues in Health care is a big issue here as well. However Law and Order was the number one for the voters this time. The Christ Democrats' task is to sort out the Health Care sector. I hope it succeeds. The Christ Democrats will also put together and present a list to us all, so we will know what music and what books we are allowed to read. They will also redirect the purpose of public service. I guess it means only swedish books, music, films and art - or at least mainly. They talk about a classics list as well everyone should be tested at. You obviously have a lived experience of what is currently happening on the ground and what may happen in the future but I would be personally doubtful that the present Coalition would be reelected in 2026 which would be required to actually make changes to the Constitution to enact the Policies they would like to Political Party names can be misleading but the Christian Democrats are probably the closest to UK Conservatives but have a higher Evangelical bias. Being in charge of Healthcare is a tough Portfolio because as you know a huge number of Healthcare Professionals Doctors, Nurses, Social Care quit due to the ridiculous Covid Policy of the Swedish Government. I just can't see given the amount of time needed for training Sweden can increase these numbers to make any meaningful impact on waiting times. Implementing the more Radical Immigration Policies will soon run into the same stumbling blocks that Pritti Patel and Suella Braverman encountered in UK unless Sweden wants to become a Pariah State I realise the 2026 Election is far away but with Magadalena personally and SD Party having an increasing popularity rating in the Polls and KD and Liberals slumping unless the Coalition pull off a miracle on the Economy its hard to see them being reelected |
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Post by knype on Dec 13, 2022 3:03:06 GMT
They're changing the Swedish Constitution as fast as they can now. It's definitely the primary goal atm. It's lead by the Prime Minister, Conservative Party, Ulf Kristersson. But they've said even if we'll see some changes in 2023, some other changes will come in 2024. They all call it the big Paradigm Shift. It sure is. If this goes well (= as the majority of the citizens want it to be), there's no way they wouldn't win the next National Election in 2026. They still lead in the latest opinion poll. The queues in Health care is a big issue here as well. However Law and Order was the number one for the voters this time. The Christ Democrats' task is to sort out the Health Care sector. I hope it succeeds. The Christ Democrats will also put together and present a list to us all, so we will know what music and what books we are allowed to read. They will also redirect the purpose of public service. I guess it means only swedish books, music, films and art - or at least mainly. They talk about a classics list as well everyone should be tested at. You obviously have a lived experience of what is currently happening on the ground and what may happen in the future but I would be personally doubtful that the present Coalition would be reelected in 2026 which would be required to actually make changes to the Constitution to enact the Policies they would like to Political Party names can be misleading but the Christian Democrats are probably the closest to UK Conservatives but have a higher Evangelical bias. Being in charge of Healthcare is a tough Portfolio because as you know a huge number of Healthcare Professionals Doctors, Nurses, Social Care quit due to the ridiculous Covid Policy of the Swedish Government. I just can't see given the amount of time needed for training Sweden can increase these numbers to make any meaningful impact on waiting times. Implementing the more Radical Immigration Policies will soon run into the same stumbling blocks that Pritti Patel and Suella Braverman encountered in UK unless Sweden wants to become a Pariah State I realise the 2026 Election is far away but with Magadalena personally and SD Party having an increasing popularity rating in the Polls and KD and Liberals slumping unless the Coalition pull off a miracle on the Economy its hard to see them being reelected What was ridiculous about their covid policy? |
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Post by wannabee on Dec 13, 2022 3:29:03 GMT
You obviously have a lived experience of what is currently happening on the ground and what may happen in the future but I would be personally doubtful that the present Coalition would be reelected in 2026 which would be required to actually make changes to the Constitution to enact the Policies they would like to Political Party names can be misleading but the Christian Democrats are probably the closest to UK Conservatives but have a higher Evangelical bias. Being in charge of Healthcare is a tough Portfolio because as you know a huge number of Healthcare Professionals Doctors, Nurses, Social Care quit due to the ridiculous Covid Policy of the Swedish Government. I just can't see given the amount of time needed for training Sweden can increase these numbers to make any meaningful impact on waiting times. Implementing the more Radical Immigration Policies will soon run into the same stumbling blocks that Pritti Patel and Suella Braverman encountered in UK unless Sweden wants to become a Pariah State I realise the 2026 Election is far away but with Magadalena personally and SD Party having an increasing popularity rating in the Polls and KD and Liberals slumping unless the Coalition pull off a miracle on the Economy its hard to see them being reelected What was ridiculous about their covid policy? Well probably nothing if your aim was to kill off a large section of the older population unnessasarily |
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Post by knype on Dec 13, 2022 4:46:24 GMT
What was ridiculous about their covid policy? Well probably nothing if your aim was to kill off a large section of the older population unnessasarily But that didn't happen? In fact it looks like the route they took was a good one on most grounds |
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