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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2022 7:14:27 GMT
Big extreme, no? And alot of things which can't necxesarily be proven. What happens if you work with someone who is committing fraud for example? Or someone you work with is dealing drugs outside of your knowledge? How does that work for rule "2"? Is the final rule not pretty extreme too? What does goodbye mean? If you were caught using drugs where are they going to send you too as a swede? What happens if it's a cancer patient using rso for example? Just fuck you off across the world for trying to survive? I worry such policy is very difficult to implement and comes at a great cost too. Reminds me of some of the stuff going around when we had the brexit referendum. And now here we are with more immigrants than ever before and the worst economy in decades. Such radical policies from Sweden I think could cause similar ripples. Maybe Sweden has competent politicians who can carry out their policies in a professional manner. Be interesting to see the upshot of their plans. Could be a template for others including the UK A bit harsh to deport a working tax paying immigrant who happened to once meet former tory mp and convicted sex offender Imran Khan. But it could mean deporting boris Johnson back to the USA. So not as catastrophically bad a policy as it first appears. Although every foreign person who knows him would also be deported/be unable to come here. Sunak’s wife and perhaps his children for instance assuming they knew Johnson. That could be awkward. The entire Man City squad who is not British know Mendy. All deported. Guardiola gone. Any player who is foreign that knew Mendy, gone. Ditto Man Utd and Greenwood and all foreigners who know him. We would be left with only Brits. This is Farage’s dream, unless his wife has met a criminal as she would be gone, and I wonder if Nige ever got his German passport. We could then deport him too as he knows Boris Johnson! The Home Office would need a million extra staff. Job creation.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2022 7:22:12 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye (=being sent back). It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England? What are the Swede’s views on Zlatan Ibrahimovich? Born to two immigrants in Sweden. His father was Muslim (not the Swedish way of life), his mother Catholic (not the Swedish way of life). Presumably those wanting this policy hate Zlatan? What about Alexander Isak? Henrik Larsson? Descendants from immigrants to Sweden.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 13, 2022 8:02:12 GMT
I think prostitution is far more moral than only fans. Isn't all sex a trade of some sort?
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Post by wannabee on Dec 13, 2022 9:16:08 GMT
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Post by musik on Dec 13, 2022 9:27:28 GMT
We would be left with only Brits. Exactly. I think that's their goal here, only swedes.
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Post by musik on Dec 13, 2022 9:35:12 GMT
More from the Swedish Government in action now when the Tidö-agreement is revealed more in detail. 🇸🇪 A lot of focus is as expected on the migration policy. Several actions can lead to a "bye bye" out of this country. 1) For instance if you are a prostitute. 2) For instance if you're not a criminal, but you know someone who is. 3) For instance if you don't follow the swedish way of living and adapt to swedish traditions, in what they thereby mean is an offending way of intolerance to Sweden. 4) Anyone could also report if they see someone who does any of those things or are hiding as an illegal immigrant. 5) Criminals, both immigrants and swedes, can be sent to a prison in Eastern Europe for instance, to serve their time there. And if they'll survive, I doubt they can or would want to return. 6) Families can't expect to be united with each other in Sweden if they don't come together initially. 7) We will only take a few hundred immigrants in 2023. Many more will be sent back. 8) And if you are a user of drugs of any sort it's a big big goodbye (=being sent back). It might include swedes as well. The Sweden Democrats leader Jimmie Åkesson declared he was kind of surprised that The Liberals, The Conservatives and The Christ Democrats accepted their proposals just like that! 🤔 Is it a similar situation in England? What are the Swede’s views on Zlatan Ibrahimovich? Born to two immigrants in Sweden. His father was Muslim (not the Swedish way of life), his mother Catholic (not the Swedish way of life). Presumably those wanting this policy hate Zlatan? What about Alexander Isak? Henrik Larsson? Descendants from immigrants to Sweden. Every swede is an individual so there are many different views among us. During the Soc Democrats era everyone was a swede as long as the person was in Sweden geographically. I don't think the catholics will be a problem for the new regime. They've only talked about the muslims. The Liberal Party give a shit, The Conservatives, The SD Party and the Christ Democrats all warn us for the extreme radicalism. That's why they have said you have to accept swedish values and traditions to stay. In practice I believe it would mean the same type of clothing and in the long run the same type of religion. It won't be room for anything but Christianity. That's partly why they're rewriting the Constitution.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 13, 2022 9:38:50 GMT
Seems quite a bit of it will be difficult if not impossible to enforce and as Einstein said - "Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced" They're working 24/7 to change the constitutions, lead by the Conservatives. Let's see how it works out. It's certainly going to be interesting,they didn't really cover themselves in much glory over COVID by being radically different, perhaps they'll prove Einstein wrong, who knows, personally I'd bet against it.
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Post by musik on Dec 13, 2022 9:53:16 GMT
FYI My personal view is: Some of the steps are necessary. Some other steps are necessary unfortunately. But still, some other steps I'm against.
I don't like splitting families. It would have been better to welcome 5 full complete families instead of 10 half families.
I don't want to be told what music I should listen to or what books I should read. It only reminds me of dictatorship, and I'm not a big fan of that. It diminishes people's life.
However, I do support a decreased level of crime and the best way to do that would be to capture the existing minority within that field. It would have been so much better to all of us. Instead, now they talk about "if you know a criminal" then you could be deported. I suppose they must mean if you know where a criminal is (hiding) and don't inform the Police. I got a feeling this could go wrong though.
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Post by dexter97 on Dec 13, 2022 10:11:45 GMT
As I understand it it may be somewhat difficult to carry out some of these Policies as they contravene the Swedish Constitution, I guess we'll see Similar to UK The issues of the Election were Healthcare waiting times They're changing the Swedish Constitution as fast as they can now. It's definitely the primary goal atm. It's lead by the Prime Minister, Conservative Party, Ulf Kristersson. But they've said even if we'll see some changes in 2023, some other changes will come in 2024. They all call it the big Paradigm Shift. It sure is. If this goes well (= as the majority of the citizens want it to be), there's no way they wouldn't win the next National Election in 2026. They still lead in the latest opinion poll. The queues in Health care is a big issue here as well. However Law and Order was the number one for the voters this time. The Christ Democrats' task is to sort out the Health Care sector. I hope it succeeds. The Christ Democrats will also put together and present a list to us all, so we will know what music and what books we are allowed to read. They will also redirect the purpose of public service.
I guess it means only swedish books, music, films and art - or at least mainly.They talk about a classics list as well everyone should be tested at. If that's a serious proposition, it's genuinely terrifying. Surely even the Farages and Hopkins of this world wouldn't endorse that?
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 13, 2022 10:32:09 GMT
So interested to see how this pans out. It could be a blue print for some and something abhorrent for others.
The question for me is why it is felt necessary to introduce such draconian measures now……what were those in power previously doing to see things evolve for an appetite for this? Were they too liberal, not liberal enough….who knows, but it’s an interesting approach for sure.
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Post by musik on Dec 13, 2022 10:33:29 GMT
They're changing the Swedish Constitution as fast as they can now. It's definitely the primary goal atm. It's lead by the Prime Minister, Conservative Party, Ulf Kristersson. But they've said even if we'll see some changes in 2023, some other changes will come in 2024. They all call it the big Paradigm Shift. It sure is. If this goes well (= as the majority of the citizens want it to be), there's no way they wouldn't win the next National Election in 2026. They still lead in the latest opinion poll. The queues in Health care is a big issue here as well. However Law and Order was the number one for the voters this time. The Christ Democrats' task is to sort out the Health Care sector. I hope it succeeds. The Christ Democrats will also put together and present a list to us all, so we will know what music and what books we are allowed to read. They will also redirect the purpose of public service.
I guess it means only swedish books, music, films and art - or at least mainly.They talk about a classics list as well everyone should be tested at. If that's a serious proposition, it's genuinely terrifying. Surely even the Farages and Hopkins of this world wouldn't endorse that? Not only a proposition, but a promise. And that idea was actually presented prior to the National Election. People had no objection, they found it to be a nice thing, the swedish classics, Taube, Bergman and those ... I suppose we will still be able to buy or borrow a foreign writer, but some book person I heard said 10% max.
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Post by musik on Dec 13, 2022 10:38:21 GMT
So interested to see how this pans out. It could be a blue print for some and something abhorrent for others. The question for me is why it is felt necessary to introduce such draconian measures now……what were those in power previously doing to see things evolve for an appetite for this? Were they too liberal, not liberal enough….who knows, but it’s an interesting approach for sure. They were doing nothing. Now they're doing something.
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Post by gawa on Dec 13, 2022 10:39:41 GMT
Well probably nothing if your aim was to kill off a large section of the older population unnessasarily But that didn't happen? In fact it looks like the route they took was a good one on most grounds Obviously the Swedish population must have thought differently as at the first opportunity they got rid of their socialist left wing government which implemented and applied their relaxed covid policy and replaced it with a stricter far right regime which now seems to want to force the population to spy on one another and restrict their access to any forms of media from outside the country. Very similar to North Korea it would seem.
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Post by gawa on Dec 13, 2022 10:42:30 GMT
If that's a serious proposition, it's genuinely terrifying. Surely even the Farages and Hopkins of this world wouldn't endorse that? Not only a proposition, but a promise. And that idea was actually presented prior to the National Election. People had no objection, they found it to be a nice thing, the swedish classics, Taube, Bergman and those ... I suppose we will still be able to buy or borrow a foreign writer, but some book person I heard said 10% max. Very similar to North Korea/China it would seem. To be fair though it does work as we've seen in those regimes. Reduce exposure to outside media sources and force citizens to follow the regime and tout on one another. I'm just surprised to see so many British people on here who seem to want a similar china/North Korea regime in the UK. Wonder if they will restrict which websites you can access too. Great firewall of Sweden.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 13, 2022 10:48:35 GMT
Not sure why anyones surprised The happy go lucky swedes were until 1975 practicing eugenics and socially driven compulsory sterilisation And that was committed by there cuddly left wing socialists
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Post by musik on Dec 13, 2022 10:49:50 GMT
Not only a proposition, but a promise. And that idea was actually presented prior to the National Election. People had no objection, they found it to be a nice thing, the swedish classics, Taube, Bergman and those ... I suppose we will still be able to buy or borrow a foreign writer, but some book person I heard said 10% max. Very similar to North Korea/China it would seem. To be fair though it does work as we've seen in those regimes. Reduce exposure to outside media sources and force citizens to follow the regime and tout on one another. I'm just surprised to see so many British people on here who seem to want a similar china/North Korea regime in the UK. Wonder if they will restrict which websites you can access too. Great firewall of Sweden. Another field is the Art museums. They want to make sure there are enough swedish paintings on the walls. I wonder how they will treat abstract art? 🧐 All this, books, music, art ... is to make sure the Nation is put forward, they say. So foreign immigrants know what they should follow, and not be confused by a lot of other impressions. Since the majority of the people seem to enjoy the ideas and the minority (some the immigrants) don't, I sincerely think they will win in 2026 again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2022 14:32:57 GMT
I think prostitution is far more moral than only fans. Isn't all sex a trade of some sort? No comment. But prostitution/only fans definitely are. And you get a far better deal with the former than the latter.
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Post by musik on Jan 27, 2023 13:38:06 GMT
An Update
Since the new government declared how their work progress recently Sweden have never had as many shotings and bomb explosions in our society. I think it was 14 attacks during the last 26 days or so.
However, new laws to be. They take away the crime discount here. Before it didn't matter if you've stolen 100 cars or just 1, the punishment was the same. Not any longer, each crime is seen upon as an individual crime. If they'll go towards the US model with no upper limit, I don't know.
A foreign family can't expect to stay in Sweden if someone in their family commits a crime.
Small kids will also be punished and can expect to remove graffiti, taking out garbage or whatever if they do something wrong. "If the parents don't raise them kids, the state has to!", the government says.
This is going to be just perfect ... (irony) 🤠
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Post by steve66 on Jan 27, 2023 14:19:35 GMT
“This has made the black communist in the Parliament go bananas”
musik the snowflakes over here would have a field day over here if this statement came out!!
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 27, 2023 14:24:58 GMT
“This has made the black communist in the Parliament go bananas” musik the snowflakes over here would have a field day over here if this statement came out!! Pant wetting imminent
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Post by felonious on Jan 27, 2023 19:28:53 GMT
“This has made the black communist in the Parliament go bananas” musik the snowflakes over here would have a field day over here if this statement came out!! Pant wetting imminent It's ok Musik's got a free pass, he's a foreigner
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