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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2022 11:40:52 GMT
Thougt he was useful on the left as well Can’t agree. It’s a waste of him. He muddles through because he’s such a good player. Idiot managers playing our best player not in his best position. Where do find these morons. I'm sure Neil knows that his best position is ten but we are desperate for someone to lead the line effectively. Who does that out of the current lot?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2022 11:42:31 GMT
Can’t agree. It’s a waste of him. He muddles through because he’s such a good player. Idiot managers playing our best player not in his best position. Where do find these morons. I'm sure Neil knows that his best position is ten but we are desperate for someone to lead the line effectively. Who does that out of the current lot? Use your best player in his best position. It’s not rocket science. Play any of them up there and having Powell behind them will make it better instantly and better than wasting Powell up front.
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Post by iamstokie on Nov 19, 2022 12:54:29 GMT
At least he does that, Campbell doesn’t even do that 😂 Campbell overall has been ok this season. He hasn’t
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Nov 19, 2022 13:07:14 GMT
It's not madness at all he leads the line better than any of our strikers. It is. He’s a number ten and should be used only there. Modern formations don't really use a No10. If you want to play 433 I'd much sooner see Powell in the middle of a front three, than in the midfield 3 I don't think that system affords a designated No10 or AM. Yes Powell would do a better job in there than Smallbone but that's not saying a lot. The best example of 433 has a very workmanlike midfield, the creativity comes from the full backs and forward 3.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2022 13:22:20 GMT
It is. He’s a number ten and should be used only there. Modern formations don't really use a No10. If you want to play 433 I'd much sooner see Powell in the middle of a front three, than in the midfield 3 I don't think that system affords a designated No10 or AM. Yes Powell would do a better job in there than Smallbone but that's not saying a lot. The best example of 433 has a very workmanlike midfield, the creativity comes from the full backs and forward 3. 4231 does. Suits Fosu, Campbell and Powell. I don’t get why it’s so damn difficult.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Nov 19, 2022 16:41:37 GMT
Modern formations don't really use a No10. If you want to play 433 I'd much sooner see Powell in the middle of a front three, than in the midfield 3 I don't think that system affords a designated No10 or AM. Yes Powell would do a better job in there than Smallbone but that's not saying a lot. The best example of 433 has a very workmanlike midfield, the creativity comes from the full backs and forward 3. 4231 does. Suits Fosu, Campbell and Powell. I don’t get why it’s so damn difficult. I've got no problem with 4231 but the majority of coaches have moved away from it. I've also got no problem with 433 or 343 or 442. There are examples of all those systems doing the rounds and all can be good to watch and successful, it's upto our manager to find what works for him he'll sink or swim by it. Equally our players could fail in any system they simply don't seem to have the intensity maybe we need Elon Musk as a manager.
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Post by lordb on Nov 19, 2022 17:05:16 GMT
Modern formations don't really use a No10. If you want to play 433 I'd much sooner see Powell in the middle of a front three, than in the midfield 3 I don't think that system affords a designated No10 or AM. Yes Powell would do a better job in there than Smallbone but that's not saying a lot. The best example of 433 has a very workmanlike midfield, the creativity comes from the full backs and forward 3. 4231 does. Suits Fosu, Campbell and Powell. I don’t get why it’s so damn difficult. Because it's really hard to find a striker to play as the one If you can happy days but we certainly haven't as such we can't play 4231
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2022 17:26:45 GMT
4231 does. Suits Fosu, Campbell and Powell. I don’t get why it’s so damn difficult. Because it's really hard to find a striker to play as the one If you can happy days but we certainly haven't as such we can't play 4231 It’s still much better than anything else we can do.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 19, 2022 17:35:07 GMT
4231 does. Suits Fosu, Campbell and Powell. I don’t get why it’s so damn difficult. I've got no problem with 4231 but the majority of coaches have moved away from it. I've also got no problem with 433 or 343 or 442. There are examples of all those systems doing the rounds and all can be good to watch and successful, it's upto our manager to find what works for him he'll sink or swim by it. Equally our players could fail in any system they simply don't seem to have the intensity maybe we need Elon Musk as a manager. I don't think it's intensity they lack,it's skill.
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Post by lordb on Nov 19, 2022 18:12:50 GMT
Because it's really hard to find a striker to play as the one If you can happy days but we certainly haven't as such we can't play 4231 It’s still much better than anything else we can do. Possibly Squad is set up for 352 or 343 but we rarely make anything work
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2022 18:19:56 GMT
It’s still much better than anything else we can do. Possibly Squad is set up for 352 or 343 but we rarely make anything work Cant agree. 4231 suits all our better players. The issues in either side are the same - the keeper and striker. Back 3 only set up for Tymon really.
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Post by loosestools on Nov 19, 2022 18:35:15 GMT
Bloody Hell, Its like watching the maths bit on Countdown!
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Post by matelot1996 on Nov 19, 2022 20:11:07 GMT
Im sure MON and AN both think the same. That’s why he is not a regular starter or finisher of matches. He’s been terrible, deserves his place on the bench. One was sacked and one could easily be sacked within 6 months. An excellent yardstick 😂 He’s been fine. He should only be used on the right though and not when he’s got glandular fever. Yeah. All 5 of our previous Managers are the problem. No blame whatsoever on our “prolific” striker who consistently puts in half a shift. 😘 None so blind…..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2022 20:14:58 GMT
One was sacked and one could easily be sacked within 6 months. An excellent yardstick 😂 He’s been fine. He should only be used on the right though and not when he’s got glandular fever. Yeah. All 5 of our previous Managers are the problem. No blame whatsoever on our “prolific” striker who consistently puts in half a shift. 😘 None so blind….. Pretty much. Glad we agree.
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Post by matelot1996 on Nov 19, 2022 21:14:18 GMT
Yeah. All 5 of our previous Managers are the problem. No blame whatsoever on our “prolific” striker who consistently puts in half a shift. 😘 None so blind….. Pretty much. Glad we agree. Ahh, the irony thing escaped you then? As long as I know you are actually serious. You think Established, underperforming players such as Campbell bear no responsibility for our current plight. It’s all the fault of our previous 5 managers then. Yes? In fact, don’t bother Ive lost interest now (just like Campbell) 😂
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Post by a on Nov 19, 2022 21:16:01 GMT
Campbell overall has been ok this season. He hasn’t No he hasn’t.
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Post by a on Nov 19, 2022 21:18:58 GMT
Who’s the fourth? Campbell? Yes mate it’s in the article Ah thx ☺️ shame he isn’t on the right, he’s be banging them in then apparently 😆
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2022 21:25:08 GMT
Pretty much. Glad we agree. Ahh, the irony thing escaped you then? As long as I know you are actually serious. You think Established, underperforming players such as Campbell bear no responsibility for our current plight. It’s all the fault of our previous 5 managers then. Yes? In fact, don’t bother Ive lost interest now (just like Campbell) 😂 No of course it didn’t 😂🤦♂️
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 19, 2022 21:28:11 GMT
Yes mate it’s in the article Ah thx ☺️ shame he isn’t on the right, he’s be banging them in then apparently 😆 You have to move first mate before you have a chance of banging them in as you say and sadly Campbell doesn’t do a lot of that
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Post by a on Nov 19, 2022 21:40:20 GMT
Ah thx ☺️ shame he isn’t on the right, he’s be banging them in then apparently 😆 You have to move first mate before you have a chance of banging them in as you say and sadly Campbell doesn’t do a lot of that Yup
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Nov 20, 2022 17:31:43 GMT
I've got no problem with 4231 but the majority of coaches have moved away from it. I've also got no problem with 433 or 343 or 442. There are examples of all those systems doing the rounds and all can be good to watch and successful, it's upto our manager to find what works for him he'll sink or swim by it. Equally our players could fail in any system they simply don't seem to have the intensity maybe we need Elon Musk as a manager. I don't think it's intensity they lack,it's skill. Are you joking? Intensity and urgency are desperately lacking from this team be that due to character or by design. They take the patient approach to the point of absurdity. When they're behind they play like a team that doesn't understand that if things remain the same they'll come out of the game with nothing. They are definitely not lacking in skill in comparison with their peers in fact they're regularly turned over by far less skillful teams. There is something wrong with our approach to the game that transcends managers, it's a cancer that needs cutting out. As I posted the other day somewhat tongue in cheek (about Rory) it's got to the point where we need to get rid of people even on the off chance they may be reinforcing this overly patient, lack of desire, intensity, tempo, guts and determination that is blighting this team. Lack of skill my arse.
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Post by tachyon on Nov 21, 2022 10:48:01 GMT
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Post by lordb on Nov 21, 2022 11:42:40 GMT
I don't think it's intensity they lack,it's skill. Are you joking? Intensity and urgency are desperately lacking from this team be that due to character or by design. They take the patient approach to the point of absurdity. When they're behind they play like a team that doesn't understand that if things remain the same they'll come out of the game with nothing. They are definitely not lacking in skill in comparison with their peers in fact they're regularly turned over by far less skillful teams. There is something wrong with our approach to the game that transcends managers, it's a cancer that needs cutting out. As I posted the other day somewhat tongue in cheek (about Rory) it's got to the point where we need to get rid of people even on the off chance they may be reinforcing this overly patient, lack of desire, intensity, tempo, guts and determination that is blighting this team. Lack of skill my arse. The odd occasion under any of our 4 managers in this league where we have shown high intensity we have generally won and looked good to boot E. G Derby at home under Rowett, Leeds at home under Jones, Albion at home last season, Sheffield United at home under AN All at home where such an approach has been matched in the stands That's not to say we have to lump it or play caveman football but speed it up attack with purpose Away from home the careful possession game has been more fruitful We don't need a boat load of new players we need to play with intent, aggression and purpose Been disappointed not to have seen more of that under AN so far
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Nov 22, 2022 17:58:41 GMT
Are you joking? Intensity and urgency are desperately lacking from this team be that due to character or by design. They take the patient approach to the point of absurdity. When they're behind they play like a team that doesn't understand that if things remain the same they'll come out of the game with nothing. They are definitely not lacking in skill in comparison with their peers in fact they're regularly turned over by far less skillful teams. There is something wrong with our approach to the game that transcends managers, it's a cancer that needs cutting out. As I posted the other day somewhat tongue in cheek (about Rory) it's got to the point where we need to get rid of people even on the off chance they may be reinforcing this overly patient, lack of desire, intensity, tempo, guts and determination that is blighting this team. Lack of skill my arse. The odd occasion under any of our 4 managers in this league where we have shown high intensity we have generally won and looked good to boot E. G Derby at home under Rowett, Leeds at home under Jones, Albion at home last season, Sheffield United at home under AN All at home where such an approach has been matched in the stands That's not to say we have to lump it or play caveman football but speed it up attack with purpose Away from home the careful possession game has been more fruitful We don't need a boat load of new players we need to play with intent, aggression and purpose Been disappointed not to have seen more of that under AN so far I’ve got nobody idea who’s fault it is but it dates back all the way to the tail end of the Mark Hughes era. Managers have come and gone and seemed to identify the problem but never be able to solve it for more than the odd game. I’m up to the back teeth with it to the point I’d fire every single individual who has been with the club throughout the period just in case.
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 23, 2022 3:33:40 GMT
The odd occasion under any of our 4 managers in this league where we have shown high intensity we have generally won and looked good to boot E. G Derby at home under Rowett, Leeds at home under Jones, Albion at home last season, Sheffield United at home under AN All at home where such an approach has been matched in the stands That's not to say we have to lump it or play caveman football but speed it up attack with purpose Away from home the careful possession game has been more fruitful We don't need a boat load of new players we need to play with intent, aggression and purpose Been disappointed not to have seen more of that under AN so far I’ve got nobody idea who’s fault it is but it dates back all the way to the tail end of the Mark Hughes era. Managers have come and gone and seemed to identify the problem but never be able to solve it for more than the odd game. I’m up to the back teeth with it to the point I’d fire every single individual who has been with the club throughout the period just in case. It sure as hell does. (Dates back to the end of the Hughes era) Was just thinking that when I read your post. I mean, wtf? As Lord points out, we have flashes - a game here and there where we've played like we ate firecrackers and washed them down with gunpowder only to show up at the next 3 games looking semi-comatose. Wish I knew where/what/who it stems from.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 23, 2022 8:09:04 GMT
Are you joking? Intensity and urgency are desperately lacking from this team be that due to character or by design. They take the patient approach to the point of absurdity. When they're behind they play like a team that doesn't understand that if things remain the same they'll come out of the game with nothing. They are definitely not lacking in skill in comparison with their peers in fact they're regularly turned over by far less skillful teams. There is something wrong with our approach to the game that transcends managers, it's a cancer that needs cutting out. As I posted the other day somewhat tongue in cheek (about Rory) it's got to the point where we need to get rid of people even on the off chance they may be reinforcing this overly patient, lack of desire, intensity, tempo, guts and determination that is blighting this team. Lack of skill my arse. The odd occasion under any of our 4 managers in this league where we have shown high intensity we have generally won and looked good to boot E. G Derby at home under Rowett, Leeds at home under Jones, Albion at home last season, Sheffield United at home under AN All at home where such an approach has been matched in the stands That's not to say we have to lump it or play caveman football but speed it up attack with purpose Away from home the careful possession game has been more fruitful We don't need a boat load of new players we need to play with intent, aggression and purpose Been disappointed not to have seen more of that under AN so far Initial point. I know I’ll get accused of promoting TP, rest assured that’s not my intent. I picked up on your opinion/comment; “We need to play with intent, aggression and purpose”. It could be argued that was TP’s formula especially of trying to work on the law of averages i.e. the more times you get the ball in the box, the more chances you create, which should lead to more goals you score. Anyhow onto the point I’m trying to make. Since he left football styles/systems/fashions have changed and all of our subsequent managers have endeavoured to follow such (putting AN to one side for the moment), with the exception of certain games over the last 5/6 years have we created sufficient numbers of chances to lead to more goals (laws of average), I don’t know. Is bombarding a defence into submission more entertaining/productive than slow methodical play through the lines….Some will say yes, others will disagree. I think I’m correct (please correct if I’m incorrect) in thinking MON has the highest win % than any of our most recent managers, TP, MH, GR and NJ. Now there’s a confusing fact (unless I’m wrong) because I really couldn’t align him with your point about “We need to play with intent, aggression and purpose”. Its a funny old game 😁
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Post by lordb on Nov 23, 2022 12:20:56 GMT
The odd occasion under any of our 4 managers in this league where we have shown high intensity we have generally won and looked good to boot E. G Derby at home under Rowett, Leeds at home under Jones, Albion at home last season, Sheffield United at home under AN All at home where such an approach has been matched in the stands That's not to say we have to lump it or play caveman football but speed it up attack with purpose Away from home the careful possession game has been more fruitful We don't need a boat load of new players we need to play with intent, aggression and purpose Been disappointed not to have seen more of that under AN so far Initial point. I know I’ll get accused of promoting TP, rest assured that’s not my intent. I picked up on your opinion/comment; “We need to play with intent, aggression and purpose”. It could be argued that was TP’s formula especially of trying to work on the law of averages i.e. the more times you get the ball in the box, the more chances you create, which should lead to more goals you score. Anyhow onto the point I’m trying to make. Since he left football styles/systems/fashions have changed and all of our subsequent managers have endeavoured to follow such (putting AN to one side for the moment), with the exception of certain games over the last 5/6 years have we created sufficient numbers of chances to lead to more goals (laws of average), I don’t know. Is bombarding a defence into submission more entertaining/productive than slow methodical play through the lines….Some will say yes, others will disagree. I think I’m correct (please correct if I’m incorrect) in thinking MON has the highest win % than any of our most recent managers, TP, MH, GR and NJ. Now there’s a confusing fact (unless I’m wrong) because I really couldn’t align him with your point about “We need to play with intent, aggression and purpose”. Its a funny old game 😁 Was thinking of Macari football rather than TP However we set up formation wise, whether playing on the deck, launching it, dribbling whatever it's all moot unless we play with intensity and attacking intent (usually, some games require different approach) TP football is just one style and there were probably 2 TP styles Keen to get away from being pro or anti TP as its boring debate and not that simple
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 23, 2022 16:22:56 GMT
But he runs a lot so it's fine They say that about jesus Is that why they stuck nails in his feet to stop him running
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 23, 2022 16:26:45 GMT
Im sure MON and AN both think the same. That’s why he is not a regular starter or finisher of matches. He’s been terrible, deserves his place on the bench. One was sacked and one could easily be sacked within 6 months. An excellent yardstick 😂 He’s been fine. He should only be used on the right though and not when he’s got glandular fever. So pre glandular fever and pre injury what was his excuse for putting as much effort in as your average stoner
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 16, 2022 11:18:50 GMT
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