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Post by Fred Merger on Nov 14, 2022 14:17:22 GMT
FIFA said to be paying us £8500 a day while Australia are at least guaranteed 13 days in the group stages for Harry's services. Stoke said to be making £161,000 at least. Explains his no show on Saturday I suppose.
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Post by Veritas on Nov 14, 2022 14:40:00 GMT
FIFA said to be paying us £8500 a day while Australia are at least guaranteed 13 days in the group stages for Harry's services. Stoke said to be making £161,000 at least. Explains his no show on Saturday I suppose. £161k is relatively small change in our total operating budget and I doubt whether it had any influence on the decision to not play Souttar. |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 14, 2022 15:46:34 GMT
FIFA said to be paying us £8500 a day while Australia are at least guaranteed 13 days in the group stages for Harry's services. Stoke said to be making £161,000 at least. Explains his no show on Saturday I suppose. How about allowing a player to fulfill a dream and keeping him onboard when we come to extend his contract? |
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Post by stokesaint1 on Nov 14, 2022 20:34:28 GMT
A question out of interest for anyone who may know the answer. Have the Australian FA (or their insurance) been paying Harry Souttar's wages for the last 12 months that he has been unavailable to us, having got injured playing for them?
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Post by wherty on Nov 14, 2022 20:46:10 GMT
A question out of interest for anyone who may know the answer. Have the Australian FA (or their insurance) been paying Harry Souttar's wages for the last 12 months that he has been unavailable to us, having got injured playing for them? Significant contribution as do all countries. |
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Post by Fred Merger on Nov 14, 2022 21:18:47 GMT
Didn't the English FA have to pay Butlands' wages when he got injured for England 👍 whilst with us?
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Post by blackpoolred on Nov 14, 2022 21:35:31 GMT
FIFA said to be paying us £8500 a day while Australia are at least guaranteed 13 days in the group stages for Harry's services. Stoke said to be making £161,000 at least. Explains his no show on Saturday I suppose. How about allowing a player to fulfill a dream and keeping him onboard when we come to extend his contract? Why should we have to butter him up. He is a pro footballer and Stoke pay his wages - some of his fellow teammates had played 5 games in 14 days - if he was fit he should have offered his services - not doing so makes him an utter shithouse in my opinion. Harry Kane was giving his all in his last match before the world cup. If he is fit enough to play 3 lots of 90 minutes in 9 days for Aus he is fit enough to put himself on the line for his club and teammates. I guess this is only shitty Stoke though so normal rules don't apply. The club has been protecting him for the shop window that is the WC where if he plays well his value will rocket, his sudden appearances just before the squad was announced was all a bit too precise and planned for me. He needs to feck off if he has requested to join Aus in place of playing for his team or the board needs to do some explaining as to his whereabouts and their logic - absolute disgrace I am also sure it was not the dream of the Scottish lad growing up - to play for the mighty Socceroos. The apathy and mentality of our club and supporters is beyond belief - the club needs gutting from top to bottom |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 15, 2022 0:17:43 GMT
How about allowing a player to fulfill a dream and keeping him onboard when we come to extend his contract? Why should we have to butter him up. He is a pro footballer and Stoke pay his wages - some of his fellow teammates had played 5 games in 14 days - if he was fit he should have offered his services - not doing so makes him an utter shithouse in my opinion. Harry Kane was giving his all in his last match before the world cup. If he is fit enough to play 3 lots of 90 minutes in 9 days for Aus he is fit enough to put himself on the line for his club and teammates. I guess this is only shitty Stoke though so normal rules don't apply. The club has been protecting him for the shop window that is the WC where if he plays well his value will rocket, his sudden appearances just before the squad was announced was all a bit too precise and planned for me. He needs to feck off if he has requested to join Aus in place of playing for his team or the board needs to do some explaining as to his whereabouts and their logic - absolute disgrace I am also sure it was not the dream of the Scottish lad growing up - to play for the mighty Socceroos. The apathy and mentality of our club and supporters is beyond belief - the club needs gutting from top to bottom Back in the real world you want to keep your best players onside. If he continues to develop he's going to be key for us either getting promotion or by getting us a big fat fee. Imagine how he would have felt if we'd played him and he'd got injured? It's not beyond realms of possibility that he may never get another chance to play in a world cup. For me it was good management to help him realise that dream. Call it buttering him up if you like. I'd say it's sensible management. |
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Post by kustokie on Nov 15, 2022 2:21:12 GMT
Didn't the English FA have to pay Butlands' wages when he got injured for England 👍 whilst with us? I think so but not certain. |
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Post by callas12 on Nov 15, 2022 2:32:26 GMT
A question out of interest for anyone who may know the answer. Have the Australian FA (or their insurance) been paying Harry Souttar's wages for the last 12 months that he has been unavailable to us, having got injured playing for them? Sure I recall seeing an article that detailed the Australian FA paying us a substantial figure as compensation to cover his absence & earnings etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2022 10:12:09 GMT
Why should we have to butter him up. He is a pro footballer and Stoke pay his wages - some of his fellow teammates had played 5 games in 14 days - if he was fit he should have offered his services - not doing so makes him an utter shithouse in my opinion. Harry Kane was giving his all in his last match before the world cup. If he is fit enough to play 3 lots of 90 minutes in 9 days for Aus he is fit enough to put himself on the line for his club and teammates. I guess this is only shitty Stoke though so normal rules don't apply. The club has been protecting him for the shop window that is the WC where if he plays well his value will rocket, his sudden appearances just before the squad was announced was all a bit too precise and planned for me. He needs to feck off if he has requested to join Aus in place of playing for his team or the board needs to do some explaining as to his whereabouts and their logic - absolute disgrace I am also sure it was not the dream of the Scottish lad growing up - to play for the mighty Socceroos. The apathy and mentality of our club and supporters is beyond belief - the club needs gutting from top to bottom Back in the real world you want to keep your best players onside. If he continues to develop he's going to be key for us either getting promotion or by getting us a big fat fee. Imagine how he would have felt if we'd played him and he'd got injured? It's not beyond realms of possibility that he may never get another chance to play in a world cup. For me it was good management to help him realise that dream. Call it buttering him up if you like. I'd say it's sensible management. With respect if Harry Kane, Keiran trippier and co , are playing ( and they were ) , then he also has to play. They play a lot more games at a much higher level than souttar , if they can earn their corn , so can souttar. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Nov 15, 2022 10:17:45 GMT
I'm more concerned about Harry's ability to play 3 games in such a short space of time with minimal preparation. There's no way he can play three 90 minute games in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2022 10:26:53 GMT
How about allowing a player to fulfill a dream and keeping him onboard when we come to extend his contract? Why should we have to butter him up. He is a pro footballer and Stoke pay his wages - some of his fellow teammates had played 5 games in 14 days - if he was fit he should have offered his services - not doing so makes him an utter shithouse in my opinion. Harry Kane was giving his all in his last match before the world cup. If he is fit enough to play 3 lots of 90 minutes in 9 days for Aus he is fit enough to put himself on the line for his club and teammates. I guess this is only shitty Stoke though so normal rules don't apply. The club has been protecting him for the shop window that is the WC where if he plays well his value will rocket, his sudden appearances just before the squad was announced was all a bit too precise and planned for me. He needs to feck off if he has requested to join Aus in place of playing for his team or the board needs to do some explaining as to his whereabouts and their logic - absolute disgrace I am also sure it was not the dream of the Scottish lad growing up - to play for the mighty Socceroos. The apathy and mentality of our club and supporters is beyond belief - the club needs gutting from top to bottom Totally agree. On a related issue the amount of players we have ' injured ' at any one time is extraordinary. We have the footballing equivalent of those lads who claim Pip , disability benefit, motability benefit , universal credit, housing benefit, free school uniform for their kids , but still manage to go to Ibiza for the summer We are wasters United |
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 15, 2022 10:55:32 GMT
Back in the real world you want to keep your best players onside. If he continues to develop he's going to be key for us either getting promotion or by getting us a big fat fee. Imagine how he would have felt if we'd played him and he'd got injured? It's not beyond realms of possibility that he may never get another chance to play in a world cup. For me it was good management to help him realise that dream. Call it buttering him up if you like. I'd say it's sensible management. With respect if Harry Kane, Keiran trippier and co , are playing ( and they were ) , then he also has to play. They play a lot more games at a much higher level than souttar , if they can earn their corn , so can souttar. None of them are just coming back from serious injury, I highly doubt He would have played if there wasn't a world cup, yes probably have been on the bench and given another 20 mins or so but to push a player coming back from a serious knee injury into playing 2 games in 4 days would be madness. The main priority is that we've put pressure on Australia not to push Harry too far too quick. |
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 15, 2022 11:01:06 GMT
How about allowing a player to fulfill a dream and keeping him onboard when we come to extend his contract? Why should we have to butter him up. He is a pro footballer and Stoke pay his wages - some of his fellow teammates had played 5 games in 14 days - if he was fit he should have offered his services - not doing so makes him an utter shithouse in my opinion. Harry Kane was giving his all in his last match before the world cup. If he is fit enough to play 3 lots of 90 minutes in 9 days for Aus he is fit enough to put himself on the line for his club and teammates. I guess this is only shitty Stoke though so normal rules don't apply. The club has been protecting him for the shop window that is the WC where if he plays well his value will rocket, his sudden appearances just before the squad was announced was all a bit too precise and planned for me. He needs to feck off if he has requested to join Aus in place of playing for his team or the board needs to do some explaining as to his whereabouts and their logic - absolute disgrace I am also sure it was not the dream of the Scottish lad growing up - to play for the mighty Socceroos. The apathy and mentality of our club and supporters is beyond belief - the club needs gutting from top to bottom I am also sure it was not the dream of the Scottish lad growing up - to play for the mighty Socceroos. Maybe he thought the Scots wouldn’t make another World Cup in his time?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2022 11:10:12 GMT
With respect if Harry Kane, Keiran trippier and co , are playing ( and they were ) , then he also has to play. They play a lot more games at a much higher level than souttar , if they can earn their corn , so can souttar. None of them are just coming back from serious injury, I highly doubt He would have played if there wasn't a world cup, yes probably have been on the bench and given another 20 mins or so but to push a player coming back from a serious knee injury into playing 2 games in 4 days would be madness. The main priority is that we've put pressure on Australia not to push Harry too far too quick. Mmm , well something is not adding up . If he is not fit to play for Stoke twice in four days , then he is not fit to play for Australia three times in nine days He can't have it both ways, he can't be fit to play for Australia but not Stoke |
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 15, 2022 11:26:58 GMT
None of them are just coming back from serious injury, I highly doubt He would have played if there wasn't a world cup, yes probably have been on the bench and given another 20 mins or so but to push a player coming back from a serious knee injury into playing 2 games in 4 days would be madness. The main priority is that we've put pressure on Australia not to push Harry too far too quick. Mmm , well something is not adding up . If he is not fit to play for Stoke twice in four days , then he is not fit to play for Australia three times in nine days He can't have it both ways, he can't be fit to play for Australia but not Stoke Well I can't see into the future and that hasn't happened yet so pointless getting heated up about something that might not happen. |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 15, 2022 17:19:53 GMT
Back in the real world you want to keep your best players onside. If he continues to develop he's going to be key for us either getting promotion or by getting us a big fat fee. Imagine how he would have felt if we'd played him and he'd got injured? It's not beyond realms of possibility that he may never get another chance to play in a world cup. For me it was good management to help him realise that dream. Call it buttering him up if you like. I'd say it's sensible management. With respect if Harry Kane, Keiran trippier and co , are playing ( and they were ) , then he also has to play. They play a lot more games at a much higher level than souttar , if they can earn their corn , so can souttar. The players who've already played in numerous international tournaments and who will play in them again if they missed this one you mean? |
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Post by upthefud on Nov 15, 2022 17:42:41 GMT
Not going to quote or call individuals but some posts on here are absolutely tragic.
The lad has just recovered from a 12 month absence. Of course he’s going to be tired and sore, that plus him being on the verge of playing in the biggest event of his life make the decision to rest him a no brainer.
For one, we’ve not had Souttar for a year, if you want to point fingers at our performance then point to the 11 who played and the players who’ve deputised for him.
Keeping Souttar fit, healthy and motivated was the absolute right call
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Post by blackpoolred on Nov 15, 2022 22:58:49 GMT
Why should we have to butter him up. He is a pro footballer and Stoke pay his wages - some of his fellow teammates had played 5 games in 14 days - if he was fit he should have offered his services - not doing so makes him an utter shithouse in my opinion. Harry Kane was giving his all in his last match before the world cup. If he is fit enough to play 3 lots of 90 minutes in 9 days for Aus he is fit enough to put himself on the line for his club and teammates. I guess this is only shitty Stoke though so normal rules don't apply. The club has been protecting him for the shop window that is the WC where if he plays well his value will rocket, his sudden appearances just before the squad was announced was all a bit too precise and planned for me. He needs to feck off if he has requested to join Aus in place of playing for his team or the board needs to do some explaining as to his whereabouts and their logic - absolute disgrace I am also sure it was not the dream of the Scottish lad growing up - to play for the mighty Socceroos. The apathy and mentality of our club and supporters is beyond belief - the club needs gutting from top to bottom I am also sure it was not the dream of the Scottish lad growing up - to play for the mighty Socceroos. Maybe he thought the Scots wouldn’t make another World Cup in his time? Very true, does not take a lot: apparently his great, great, great grandfather 8 times removed was once sent to jail for mating with a Joey - hence why he qualified for playing for Aus  |
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Post by blackpoolred on Nov 15, 2022 23:14:42 GMT
Why should we have to butter him up. He is a pro footballer and Stoke pay his wages - some of his fellow teammates had played 5 games in 14 days - if he was fit he should have offered his services - not doing so makes him an utter shithouse in my opinion. Harry Kane was giving his all in his last match before the world cup. If he is fit enough to play 3 lots of 90 minutes in 9 days for Aus he is fit enough to put himself on the line for his club and teammates. I guess this is only shitty Stoke though so normal rules don't apply. The club has been protecting him for the shop window that is the WC where if he plays well his value will rocket, his sudden appearances just before the squad was announced was all a bit too precise and planned for me. He needs to feck off if he has requested to join Aus in place of playing for his team or the board needs to do some explaining as to his whereabouts and their logic - absolute disgrace I am also sure it was not the dream of the Scottish lad growing up - to play for the mighty Socceroos. The apathy and mentality of our club and supporters is beyond belief - the club needs gutting from top to bottom Back in the real world you want to keep your best players onside. If he continues to develop he's going to be key for us either getting promotion or by getting us a big fat fee. Imagine how he would have felt if we'd played him and he'd got injured? It's not beyond realms of possibility that he may never get another chance to play in a world cup. For me it was good management to help him realise that dream. Call it buttering him up if you like. I'd say it's sensible management. In the real world we are in a relegation fight where our only decent defender is 40+ and having to play 2 games a week. If you are worried about your so-called prize players getting injured you would never play them, if they are fit they play - All fit players who were going to the world cup were up for selection for other clubs, why are Stoke different and why should we butter any player up - they are playing for the mighty potters that is a privilege. If he has requested to swan off with Aus and not make himself available then he should feck off and not bother coming back, if our owners have sanctioned that because they want to keep the snowflake happy then they should feck off with him - we need people at the club with a pair of bollox and a bit of ambition and fight - it is lacking from top to bottom |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 15, 2022 23:26:32 GMT
Back in the real world you want to keep your best players onside. If he continues to develop he's going to be key for us either getting promotion or by getting us a big fat fee. Imagine how he would have felt if we'd played him and he'd got injured? It's not beyond realms of possibility that he may never get another chance to play in a world cup. For me it was good management to help him realise that dream. Call it buttering him up if you like. I'd say it's sensible management. In the real world we are in a relegation fight where our only decent defender is 40+ and having to play 2 games a week. If you are worried about your so-called prize players getting injured you would never play them, if they are fit they play - All fit players who were going to the world cup were up for selection for other clubs, why are Stoke different and why should we butter any player up - they are playing for the mighty potters that is a privilege. If he has requested to swan off with Aus and not make himself available then he should feck off and not bother coming back, if our owners have sanctioned that because they want to keep the snowflake happy then they should feck off with him - we need people at the club with a pair of bollox and a bit of ambition and fight - it is lacking from top to bottom Wow. Gammon bingo there. Drop in 'woke' and you're looking at a full house. So you want us to get rid of our only competent defender and our billionaire owners over this. It feels like a hysterical over reaction to me. By the way the words are fuck and bollocks. If you can't bear to type them out don't use them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2022 9:49:46 GMT
Back in the real world you want to keep your best players onside. If he continues to develop he's going to be key for us either getting promotion or by getting us a big fat fee. Imagine how he would have felt if we'd played him and he'd got injured? It's not beyond realms of possibility that he may never get another chance to play in a world cup. For me it was good management to help him realise that dream. Call it buttering him up if you like. I'd say it's sensible management. In the real world we are in a relegation fight where our only decent defender is 40+ and having to play 2 games a week. If you are worried about your so-called prize players getting injured you would never play them, if they are fit they play - All fit players who were going to the world cup were up for selection for other clubs, why are Stoke different and why should we butter any player up - they are playing for the mighty potters that is a privilege. If he has requested to swan off with Aus and not make himself available then he should feck off and not bother coming back, if our owners have sanctioned that because they want to keep the snowflake happy then they should feck off with him - we need people at the club with a pair of bollox and a bit of ambition and fight - it is lacking from top to bottom I agree , we have come a long way from seeing the likes of Robert huth limping off the pitch with blood pouring out of a gash on their leg ...to tell the club doctor... don't bother with anesthetic and waiting for that to kick in ...just clean it , stitch it up and get me out onto the pitch asap , there is a game on ( true story) To players apparently fit to play 3 games in 9 games for Australia but not 2 games in 4 days for Stoke Anyway you won't change anyone's mind on here .If people say that makes sense to them, then it makes sense to them. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2022 10:06:50 GMT
Are people really arguing about a nonsense rumor 😂
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Post by wilcopotter on Nov 16, 2022 13:34:45 GMT
I'm more concerned about Harry's ability to play 3 games in such a short space of time with minimal preparation. There's no way he can play three 90 minute games in my opinion. Stop being so “small time” (as I was told) Jimmy, we should be grateful we have a player at the WC in a squad that would struggle in the Championship. In contrast I read there are 5 ex- players there, how we have fallen. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Nov 16, 2022 15:00:04 GMT
I don't have a massive problem with him not playing in the last game but he's miles away from full fitness and I'm worried about his recovery being affected. But, it's a World Cup, and I understand his desperation. If he damages his knee over there through doing too much too soon, then there'll be hell up on here.
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Post by hotpot on Nov 17, 2022 5:51:02 GMT
I think Harry will want to play in every WC match.
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Post by bertieb on Nov 17, 2022 7:50:56 GMT
I'm more concerned about Harry's ability to play 3 games in such a short space of time with minimal preparation. There's no way he can play three 90 minute games in my opinion. I very much doubt his ability to play three games in such a small period of time, surely the risk of a muscle strain or worse is too much to take. RS |
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 17, 2022 12:11:50 GMT
I think Harry will want to play in every WC match. Only the ones Australia are in, surely. |
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Post by blackpoolred on Nov 17, 2022 20:57:22 GMT
In the real world we are in a relegation fight where our only decent defender is 40+ and having to play 2 games a week. If you are worried about your so-called prize players getting injured you would never play them, if they are fit they play - All fit players who were going to the world cup were up for selection for other clubs, why are Stoke different and why should we butter any player up - they are playing for the mighty potters that is a privilege. If he has requested to swan off with Aus and not make himself available then he should feck off and not bother coming back, if our owners have sanctioned that because they want to keep the snowflake happy then they should feck off with him - we need people at the club with a pair of bollox and a bit of ambition and fight - it is lacking from top to bottom Wow. Gammon bingo there. Drop in 'woke' and you're looking at a full house. So you want us to get rid of our only competent defender and our billionaire owners over this. It feels like a hysterical over reaction to me. By the way the words are fuck and bollocks. If you can't bear to type them out don't use them. Let me have a shot at the full house then. You think that if we have a good player and he is fit we should be kind to him and let him do what he wants and play when he wants – woke I think if we pay his wages and he is fit he should play or at the very least be available for selection and on the bench for an important game – but this is a football forum and we all have different opinions and see things differently. As far as our owners are concerned they are hopeless at running a football club, they took us down to tier 3 proper for the first time in our history under their previous ownership and we are meandering back there again under their guidance - from what was a place of strength and stability where it has taken one calamitous effort after another to get us where we are now – it was almost harder to fail than succeed from the position we were in, they are also xenophobic and I think we have endured as many dour British no-hoper managers as we can take – I want owners that belong in the 21st century and players that want to play for us - there you go I think I have a full-house now. And I would never use foul words as I don’t swear – proper Catholic boy – wash your mouth out |
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