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Post by onepara on Oct 23, 2022 17:47:08 GMT
They seem to be the in thing to solve issues.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 23, 2022 17:51:18 GMT
They seem to be the in thing to solve issues. Care to elaborate?
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Post by skip on Oct 24, 2022 9:26:31 GMT
I have wondered whether the psychological hangover of relegation still hasn't cleared and permeates the club. These players weren't around then? It haunts the club.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 24, 2022 9:54:08 GMT
These players weren't around then? It haunts the club. We need an exorcism then. More seriously I have noticed in various work places that a culture exists within the group that can continue even after the workforce is changing. It's like psychological mould. Obviously the owners are 'overseeing' the situation too although I use that word lightly as various reports seem to confirm they have a very hands off approach regarding the manager etc.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Oct 24, 2022 11:04:21 GMT
Exaggerated positivity isn't really indicative of any kind of truth, as far as I'm concerned as it can be brought about in an attempt to change a negative situation.. the word 'exaggerated' possibly implies you don't believe the veracity of it? My point pertains to successive managers failing over recent years. Company's have a 'personality' and so do teams.. it permeates through the very essence of a group. I'm not saying this is the case but I'm certainly not ruling the possibility out. Exaggerated Positivity were a decent band. I saw them in the early 80s. Disappointing second album, however. Funnily enough, their bassist appeared on the "identity line-up" slot on Never Mind The Buzzcocks a few years back. Mark Lemarr offered his usual observation as he left the set: "Ladies and gentlemen, Dave Trousers. Now stacking shelves in Aldi Back in the studio recording new material.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Oct 24, 2022 11:11:15 GMT
Need Marcellus Wallace and his blow torch! I'm quite close to the big man, it can be arranged? You certainly are. I mean were. You're dead, I think. However, I agree that Marcellus might concentrate minds. So, perhaps scfcwebby can link up with you via the medium (sic) of Eileen Drewery.
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Post by idle on Oct 24, 2022 11:17:24 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 24, 2022 15:13:06 GMT
These players weren't around then? It haunts the club. They do say that if you listen carefully on a windy night, you can hear a Welsh voice shouting 'Goooarn Jon' and that the showers are stalked by a ghostly toweled figure ready to drop the nut on any unsuspecting Billy big bollocks.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 24, 2022 22:37:59 GMT
They do say that if you listen carefully on a windy night, you can hear a Welsh voice shouting 'Goooarn Jon' and that the showers are stalked by a ghostly toweled figure ready to drop the nut on any unsuspecting Billy big bollocks. Well fear certainly seems to be a possibility given how unreliable the team is in general.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 24, 2022 22:40:18 GMT
👍 Interesting link and all jokes aside it is what I'm getting at with this thread.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 26, 2022 8:27:05 GMT
Given our inability to deal with any in game adversity over years now ( see losses after conceding first goal thread ) it seems to be we definitely need a psychologist in session at the club.
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Post by idle on Oct 26, 2022 14:14:56 GMT
Given our inability to deal with any in game adversity over years now ( see losses after conceding first goal thread ) it seems to be we definitely need a psychologist in session at the club. Yeah, I agree. We're much too hung up on who "wants it" and "needs a kick up the backside" and other fear-based motivation, when perhaps what is needed is a reality check on what is important and not, a confidence boost, and other mental issues. Especially the younger players could benefit greatly from this.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 26, 2022 18:58:51 GMT
Given our inability to deal with any in game adversity over years now ( see losses after conceding first goal thread ) it seems to be we definitely need a psychologist in session at the club. Yeah, I agree. We're much too hung up on who "wants it" and "needs a kick up the backside" and other fear-based motivation, when perhaps what is needed is a reality check on what is important and not, a confidence boost, and other mental issues. Especially the younger players could benefit greatly from this. Agreed, British football is still stuck in the Dark Ages to some degree and 'fannying around' taking into account a player's psychological background mindset is something which is viewed with suspicion within football community I suspect. Thinking that the manager has all the tools necessary is not taking into account their need to focus on tactics and fitness etc. A dedicated sport psychologist will have their own not inconsiderable area of expertise. The fact successive managers have failed to produce more resilience in the player group indicates to me a fresh approach is required to assist the manager in their not insignificant duties.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Oct 28, 2022 1:01:01 GMT
Bring in Paul,McKenna and he can make them believe they’re Pele, Messi, even Bill the fish……
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 28, 2022 11:07:52 GMT
Bring in Paul,McKenna and he can make them believe they’re Pele, Messi, even Bill the fish…… That would be a Sports Hypnotist then.. Thinking they were Billy the Fish would be interesting to see.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Oct 28, 2022 15:37:13 GMT
Bring in Paul,McKenna and he can make them believe they’re Pele, Messi, even Bill the fish…… That would be a Sports Hypnotist then.. Thinking they were Billy the Fish would be interesting to see. They need something ….billy the fish would solve goalkeeper issues but guessing Fulchester united won’t sell him….
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Post by march4 on Oct 28, 2022 16:38:04 GMT
That would be a Sports Hypnotist then.. Thinking they were Billy the Fish would be interesting to see. They need something ….billy the fish would solve goalkeeper issues but guessing Fulchester united won’t sell him…. We need ‘dead shot’ Keen’s boots. Then one of our current players will soon begin banging in the goals.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 28, 2022 19:00:15 GMT
They need something ….billy the fish would solve goalkeeper issues but guessing Fulchester united won’t sell him…. We need ‘dead shot’ Keen’s boots. Then one of our current players will soon begin banging in the goals. I wonder if Neil has cottoned on to the current issue with unlucky boots at the club?
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Post by march4 on Oct 28, 2022 20:25:55 GMT
We need ‘dead shot’ Keen’s boots. Then one of our current players will soon begin banging in the goals. I wonder if Neil has cottoned on to the current issue with unlucky boots at the club? Who was the Birmingham manager who painted the soles of the players’ boots red to overcome some sort of curse?
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 28, 2022 20:43:28 GMT
I wonder if Neil has cottoned on to the current issue with unlucky boots at the club? Who was the Birmingham manager who painted the soles of the players’ boots red to overcome some sort of curse? I don't know But I'd like to
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Oct 28, 2022 20:48:08 GMT
I wonder if Neil has cottoned on to the current issue with unlucky boots at the club? Who was the Birmingham manager who painted the soles of the players’ boots red to overcome some sort of curse? I think the Birmingham manager pissed in all four corners of the pitch,. !
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Post by enuntio on Oct 28, 2022 20:50:30 GMT
We just need goals, lots of goals (and not just the ones net and posts)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 20:50:41 GMT
I wonder if Neil has cottoned on to the current issue with unlucky boots at the club? Who was the Birmingham manager who painted the soles of the players’ boots red to overcome some sort of curse? It was Ron Saunders and he did something with the floodlights as well I think. Edit: I googled and he placed crucifixes on each floodlight pylon. It was all to do with lifting a Gypsy curse. Prefer Barry Fry's method though of pissing on each corner flag 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 28, 2022 23:33:32 GMT
Probably didn't work if the damned fool didn't finish by pissing upwards and downwards in the center cirtle too. We all know that! The amount of ale required to produce that amount of piss though makes one of the more difficult (But fun) spells to cast. Not as powerful as packing one's Wellies in herbal jelly though, I know.
I think we need to seek help from the Vale's pilot. A "Mr.Bean" or whatever his name was? Another banner flown over the Bet on the wrong day again could do it.
(That gal who could rotate her head in the Exorcist married a chiropractor from New Mexico and got out of the business)
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 29, 2022 7:20:15 GMT
Yeah, I agree. We're much too hung up on who "wants it" and "needs a kick up the backside" and other fear-based motivation, when perhaps what is needed is a reality check on what is important and not, a confidence boost, and other mental issues. Especially the younger players could benefit greatly from this. Agreed, British football is still stuck in the Dark Ages to some degree and 'fannying around' taking into account a player's psychological background mindset is something which is viewed with suspicion within football community I suspect. Thinking that the manager has all the tools necessary is not taking into account their need to focus on tactics and fitness etc. A dedicated sport psychologist will have their own not inconsiderable area of expertise. The fact successive managers have failed to produce more resilience in the player group indicates to me a fresh approach is required to assist the manager in their not insignificant duties. And yet as soon as the home support is questioned for sitting in silence or negativity, everyone seems to get defensive and trots out the 'we'll create an atmosphere if we get something to cheer about' line. Perhaps it touches a nerve.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 29, 2022 7:37:01 GMT
Agreed, British football is still stuck in the Dark Ages to some degree and 'fannying around' taking into account a player's psychological background mindset is something which is viewed with suspicion within football community I suspect. Thinking that the manager has all the tools necessary is not taking into account their need to focus on tactics and fitness etc. A dedicated sport psychologist will have their own not inconsiderable area of expertise. The fact successive managers have failed to produce more resilience in the player group indicates to me a fresh approach is required to assist the manager in their not insignificant duties. And yet as soon as the home support is questioned for sitting in silence or negativity, everyone seems to get defensive and trots out the 'we'll create an atmosphere if we get something to cheer about' line. Perhaps it touches a nerve. Because it’s bullshit. The crowd if anything have been too nice in this period of 6/7 years of utter misery.
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 29, 2022 8:43:57 GMT
And yet as soon as the home support is questioned for sitting in silence or negativity, everyone seems to get defensive and trots out the 'we'll create an atmosphere if we get something to cheer about' line. Perhaps it touches a nerve. Because it’s bullshit. The crowd if anything have been too nice in this period of 6/7 years of utter misery. Agreed. Ask any psychologist how to get the best out of people and they'll tell you to sit in silence and moan like fuck if they make a mistake. The only way to optimise performance is to not encourage and to create a climate of fear. It's just common sense. I'm not saying turning into happy clappers will change poor managers and players into world beaters. However, you just need to look at the players body language at home and contrast it to how they are away. It's chalk and cheese. All I hear around me at home games are moaners, groaning if they recycle the ball, moaning when subs come on because they are shit and refusing to encourage until entertained. It won't fix everything but it may have a marginal effect. One things for sure - the current atmosphere is diabolical and putting all that on the club and the players is a cop out. The only reason home advantage is a thing is because supporters lift their own team and put pressure on the referee and the away team. Sitting in silence and giving up when we go behind doesn't help either.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 29, 2022 9:15:17 GMT
Because it’s bullshit. The crowd if anything have been too nice in this period of 6/7 years of utter misery. Agreed. Ask any psychologist how to get the best out of people and they'll tell you to sit in silence and moan like fuck if they make a mistake. The only way to optimise performance is to not encourage and to create a climate of fear. It's just common sense. I'm not saying turning into happy clappers will change poor managers and players into world beaters. However, you just need to look at the players body language at home and contrast it to how they are away. It's chalk and cheese. All I hear around me at home games are moaners, groaning if they recycle the ball, moaning when subs come on because they are shit and refusing to encourage until entertained. It won't fix everything but it may have a marginal effect. One things for sure - the current atmosphere is diabolical and putting all that on the club and the players is a cop out. The only reason home advantage is a thing is because supporters lift their own team and put pressure on the referee and the away team. Sitting in silence and giving up when we go behind doesn't help either. Well said. It seems to me that supporters of bigger clubs should now be called the audience who come to a match to be entertained. They are not supporters in the original sense of the word, only offering support when it is least needed. Compare how referees get a free ride from our crowd even when they are awful to the way they were put under immense pressure in our early Premier days. Most paying customers at the moment are not fans either as they are in no way fanatical.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 29, 2022 9:38:34 GMT
Because it’s bullshit. The crowd if anything have been too nice in this period of 6/7 years of utter misery. Agreed. Ask any psychologist how to get the best out of people and they'll tell you to sit in silence and moan like fuck if they make a mistake. The only way to optimise performance is to not encourage and to create a climate of fear. It's just common sense. I'm not saying turning into happy clappers will change poor managers and players into world beaters. However, you just need to look at the players body language at home and contrast it to how they are away. It's chalk and cheese. All I hear around me at home games are moaners, groaning if they recycle the ball, moaning when subs come on because they are shit and refusing to encourage until entertained. It won't fix everything but it may have a marginal effect. One things for sure - the current atmosphere is diabolical and putting all that on the club and the players is a cop out. The only reason home advantage is a thing is because supporters lift their own team and put pressure on the referee and the away team. Sitting in silence and giving up when we go behind doesn't help either. You are. There’s been nothing to get behind for 7 years. It’s the very definition of happy clapping. And there is a difference and that show a mental weakness from those players. It’s not a cop out in the slightest. The fans have been far too patient with the lot of them with how bad we’ve been.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 29, 2022 9:47:35 GMT
Agreed. Ask any psychologist how to get the best out of people and they'll tell you to sit in silence and moan like fuck if they make a mistake. The only way to optimise performance is to not encourage and to create a climate of fear. It's just common sense. I'm not saying turning into happy clappers will change poor managers and players into world beaters. However, you just need to look at the players body language at home and contrast it to how they are away. It's chalk and cheese. All I hear around me at home games are moaners, groaning if they recycle the ball, moaning when subs come on because they are shit and refusing to encourage until entertained. It won't fix everything but it may have a marginal effect. One things for sure - the current atmosphere is diabolical and putting all that on the club and the players is a cop out. The only reason home advantage is a thing is because supporters lift their own team and put pressure on the referee and the away team. Sitting in silence and giving up when we go behind doesn't help either. Well said. It seems to me that supporters of bigger clubs should now be called the audience who come to a match to be entertained. They are not supporters in the original sense of the word, only offering support when it is least needed. Compare how referees get a free ride from our crowd even when they are awful to the way they were put under immense pressure in our early Premier days. Most paying customers at the moment are not fans either as they are in no way fanatical. There isn’t a set of fans anywhere in the world who is going to respond positively to a ponderous, shapeless, lifeless gloop of a performance like we’ve been churning out for years at home. It’s a symbiotic relationship and the players and management simply haven’t carried their end of the bargain.
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