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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 23, 2022 13:56:51 GMT
I’m not really that fussed about tracking back, he needs to defend from the front as the manager demands and show for the ball when we have possession. He just seems lazy to me I don't think lazy is the right word and it should be used less often as it has very negative associations.. it's more a matter of getting his head right as far as I'm concerned. It’s either Laziness or arrogance. Maybe he believes he can copy the game play of Kane etc who may appear lazy to some but generally have that X factor to score inexplicable goals. Either way it comes across as Laziness and he is definitely no Kane. We could add attitude problem into the mix with Laziness and arrogance, but call it what you will, he is not a consistent performer and needs a few home truths.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 23, 2022 16:14:58 GMT
I don't think lazy is the right word and it should be used less often as it has very negative associations.. it's more a matter of getting his head right as far as I'm concerned. It’s either Laziness or arrogance. Maybe he believes he can copy the game play of Kane etc who may appear lazy to some but generally have that X factor to score inexplicable goals. Either way it comes across as Laziness and he is definitely no Kane. We could add attitude problem into the mix with Laziness and arrogance, but call it what you will, he is not a consistent performer and needs a few home truths. I don't call it laziness.. lazy people don't come back from the injury he suffered.. oh and the word lazy is often used as code for something more insulting often times. Make of that what you will but I dont agree that he's lazy and that's that.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 23, 2022 17:07:03 GMT
Lot better player when he's on the wing. Why did he change formation today? Against Sheffield & Preston played 3 up front, with Campbell & Foz on wings and we far better going forward. Playing two up top never seems work with players we've got. I really don't know what the formation was yesterday, Gayle was in no man's land well behind Campbell, we seemed to have a back 3 of Wilmott, Jags and Fox but so far apart you could drive a bus through and Smallbone seemed to be holding Fosu's hand all game. It was a bit of a dogs dinner to be honest.
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 23, 2022 17:19:57 GMT
It’s either Laziness or arrogance. Maybe he believes he can copy the game play of Kane etc who may appear lazy to some but generally have that X factor to score inexplicable goals. Either way it comes across as Laziness and he is definitely no Kane. We could add attitude problem into the mix with Laziness and arrogance, but call it what you will, he is not a consistent performer and needs a few home truths. I don't call it laziness.. lazy people don't come back from the injury he suffered.. oh and the word lazy is often used as code for something more insulting often times. Make of that what you will but I dont agree that he's lazy and that's that. You can’t censor certain words of the English Language because you don’t like to use them. This is not the Guardian Newspaper. I think it’s a valid word that sums up some of his performances. That’s that.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 23, 2022 17:44:42 GMT
I don't call it laziness.. lazy people don't come back from the injury he suffered.. oh and the word lazy is often used as code for something more insulting often times. Make of that what you will but I dont agree that he's lazy and that's that. You can’t censor certain words of the English Language because you don’t like to use them. This is not the Guardian Newspaper. I think it’s a valid word that sums up some of his performances. That’s that. I've noticed certain players in particular are tagged with that description.. as far as I'm concerned he's not lazy and I'll continue to disagree with the few that like to throw around that description of his contributions.
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 23, 2022 17:57:07 GMT
Well I don't know if he's "lazy" or not, but at times he appears to have been hit right between the eyes by a load of hydrocodone. He's not in aerobic shape and has had a long-standing issue with fitness even before the injury that personally, I would never accept regardless of his "style."
If you're not going to defend at all then you'd better be ONE HELL of an offensive threat. He's no Messi, so I don't buy it. I'm not saying track all the way back, but hell man when a player with the ball is 5 feet from you, at least fart in his direction.
Strikers with "potential" in this league are a dime a dozen. That's why they're in this league, trying to get the quotes off of "potential." The ones who work for it get those quotes removed.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 23, 2022 18:05:09 GMT
Well I don't know if he's "lazy" or not, but at times he appears to have been hit right between the eyes by a load of hydrocodone. He's not in aerobic shape and has had a long-standing issue with fitness even before the injury that personally, I would never accept regardless of his "style." If you're not going to defend at all then you'd better be ONE HELL of an offensive threat. He's no Messi, so I don't buy it. I'm not saying track all the way back, but hell man when a player with the ball is 5 feet from you, at least fart in his direction. Strikers with "potential" in this league are a dime a dozen. That's why they're in this league, trying to get the quotes off of "potential." The ones who work for it get those quotes removed. He looked pretty damn quick for his goal against Preston so irrelevant oxy references aside what he needs is consistency and more goals.. pretty much like all our strikers.. obvious 'ard workers or not.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Oct 23, 2022 18:34:56 GMT
We said at the game that Campbell should have got a tackle in or at the very least made life difficult for their player but he let him run past him.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 23, 2022 18:39:56 GMT
Lot better player when he's on the wing. Why did he change formation today? Against Sheffield & Preston played 3 up front, with Campbell & Foz on wings and we far better going forward. Playing two up top never seems work with players we've got. I really don't know what the formation was yesterday, Gayle was in no man's land well behind Campbell, we seemed to have a back 3 of Wilmott, Jags and Fox but so far apart you could drive a bus through and Smallbone seemed to be holding Fosu's hand all game. It was a bit of a dogs dinner to be honest. We had a back 4 of Sterling/Clarke, Wilmot, Jagielka and Fox. Gayle for some inexplicable reason was playing wide right with Ty down the middle and Fosu wide left
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2022 18:55:38 GMT
Well I don't know if he's "lazy" or not, but at times he appears to have been hit right between the eyes by a load of hydrocodone. He's not in aerobic shape and has had a long-standing issue with fitness even before the injury that personally, I would never accept regardless of his "style." If you're not going to defend at all then you'd better be ONE HELL of an offensive threat. He's no Messi, so I don't buy it. I'm not saying track all the way back, but hell man when a player with the ball is 5 feet from you, at least fart in his direction. Strikers with "potential" in this league are a dime a dozen. That's why they're in this league, trying to get the quotes off of "potential." The ones who work for it get those quotes removed. Indeed
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 23, 2022 19:00:06 GMT
I really don't know what the formation was yesterday, Gayle was in no man's land well behind Campbell, we seemed to have a back 3 of Wilmott, Jags and Fox but so far apart you could drive a bus through and Smallbone seemed to be holding Fosu's hand all game. It was a bit of a dogs dinner to be honest. We had a back 4 of Sterling/Clarke, Wilmot, Jagielka and Fox. Gayle for some inexplicable reason was playing wide right with Ty down the middle and Fosu wide left Sterling was wide right ahead of Wilmott. We were definitely playing a back 3 of Wilmott, Jags and Fox. I'm not suggesting it was a 3-5-2. I've not a clue what it was but second half Coventry played narrow and cut through the middle with ease.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 23, 2022 19:47:46 GMT
We had a back 4 of Sterling/Clarke, Wilmot, Jagielka and Fox. Gayle for some inexplicable reason was playing wide right with Ty down the middle and Fosu wide left Sterling was wide right ahead of Wilmott. We were definitely playing a back 3 of Wilmott, Jags and Fox. I'm not suggesting it was a 3-5-2. I've not a clue what it was but second half Coventry played narrow and cut through the middle with ease. Fox definitely played left back not as left sided centre half so are you suggesting Wilmot played wide right leaving Jagielka as the only centre half? Gayle was definitely wide right in front of Sterling/Clark. I admit Wilmot ventured forward more than one of two centre halves should and that's how Coventry's first came about. They spotted it in the first half, adjusted team shape narrow and waited for Wilmot to step up too far as they knew he would if they gave us too much possession and wham, straight ball into the space he'd left, goal! If we could be that clinical teams might not be so keen to allow us so much possession.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 23, 2022 20:10:27 GMT
Sterling was wide right ahead of Wilmott. We were definitely playing a back 3 of Wilmott, Jags and Fox. I'm not suggesting it was a 3-5-2. I've not a clue what it was but second half Coventry played narrow and cut through the middle with ease. Fox definitely played left back not as left sided centre half so are you suggesting Wilmot played wide right leaving Jagielka as the only centre half? Gayle was definitely wide right in front of Sterling/Clark. I admit Wilmot ventured forward more than one of two centre halves should and that's how Coventry's first came about. They spotted it in the first half, adjusted team shape narrow and waited for Wilmot to step up too far as they knew he would if they gave us too much possession and wham, straight ball into the space he'd left, goal! If we could be that clinical teams might not be so keen to allow us so much possession. Jagielka was isolated as Wilmott and Fox were noticeably wide of him and that's how Coventry scored their first goal, they played a straight pass through the middle and Wilmott was drawn forward from an almost right back position with no right back to cover. I think Neill tweeked it from Wednesday because we had so much possession against Rotherham and played a back 3 which caught Coventry out first half but credit to the Coventry manager because he changed things at half time.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 23, 2022 21:26:48 GMT
I don't call it laziness.. lazy people don't come back from the injury he suffered.. oh and the word lazy is often used as code for something more insulting often times. Make of that what you will but I dont agree that he's lazy and that's that. You can’t censor certain words of the English Language because you don’t like to use them. This is not the Guardian Newspaper. I think it’s a valid word that sums up some of his performances. That’s that. In recent presser Neill said lack of organization is on him. Yesterday was on him, plus a dreadful performance from the players. That was the first game since Watford when the players seemed to have idea where they were supposed to play. The midfield was especially disorganized. Hard to know which was more disorganised the Tory party or Stoke.
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 23, 2022 22:06:57 GMT
Well I don't know if he's "lazy" or not, but at times he appears to have been hit right between the eyes by a load of hydrocodone. He's not in aerobic shape and has had a long-standing issue with fitness even before the injury that personally, I would never accept regardless of his "style." If you're not going to defend at all then you'd better be ONE HELL of an offensive threat. He's no Messi, so I don't buy it. I'm not saying track all the way back, but hell man when a player with the ball is 5 feet from you, at least fart in his direction. Strikers with "potential" in this league are a dime a dozen. That's why they're in this league, trying to get the quotes off of "potential." The ones who work for it get those quotes removed. He looked pretty damn quick for his goal against Preston so irrelevant oxy references aside what he needs is consistency and more goals.. pretty much like all our strikers.. obvious 'ard workers or not. Good point - yeah I can't imply that he lacks pace, just seems at times he doesn't keep up with the game, kind of a lackadaisical effect.
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 24, 2022 5:29:55 GMT
One thing that I’ve said for a long time about Campbell is that he doesn’t like challenging for headers. If the ball is in the air and he’s got a defender with him, he’s more interested in watching the defender than winning the ball. Sometimes he barely jumps. It’s very frustrating.
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Post by Ron on Oct 24, 2022 6:06:04 GMT
Let’s not forget it he’s been shite since his injury and is regressing rather than improving. The lads effort and lack of movement Saturday was embarrassing.
He also lost his head and kept shooting when it wasn’t on in the latter stages against Rotherham.
Such a frustrating player - but again one who has become far too overrated by many.
Joins 75% of this squad in the “ just not good enough” category
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 24, 2022 9:29:13 GMT
Fox definitely played left back not as left sided centre half so are you suggesting Wilmot played wide right leaving Jagielka as the only centre half? Gayle was definitely wide right in front of Sterling/Clark. I admit Wilmot ventured forward more than one of two centre halves should and that's how Coventry's first came about. They spotted it in the first half, adjusted team shape narrow and waited for Wilmot to step up too far as they knew he would if they gave us too much possession and wham, straight ball into the space he'd left, goal! If we could be that clinical teams might not be so keen to allow us so much possession. Jagielka was isolated as Wilmott and Fox were noticeably wide of him and that's how Coventry scored their first goal, they played a straight pass through the middle and Wilmott was drawn forward from an almost right back position with no right back to cover. I think Neill tweeked it from Wednesday because we had so much possession against Rotherham and played a back 3 which caught Coventry out first half but credit to the Coventry manager because he changed things at half time. By the time they scored Clark was on and he definitely played right back. Gayle played wide right all match with Sterling then Clark behind him. Fox definitely played left back overlapping Fosu most of the match. That leaves Wilmot and Jagielka as the centre halves. On Tuesday we played Campbell in front of Sterling and allegedly wing backs although I think Fox played more like a wing back/full back. Fans are very critical of a back 5 but can not agree on whether we are playing 5 at the back or not which tends to suggest that criticism of the system has more to do with prejudice than what they see. If we played a back 3 on Saturday who were they? Fox stuck to the touch line often wider than Fosu who never came back to defend. I think what confuses things is that Wilmot is given licence to roam forward even as one of two. I suspect that if Souttar makes a successful comeback we may well see 3 centre halves more often but Fox is much better as full back than left sided centre half. It will be interesting to see if Souttar replaces Jagielka in the middle pushing him out to the left.
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Post by skip on Oct 24, 2022 9:35:00 GMT
I don't call it laziness.. lazy people don't come back from the injury he suffered.. oh and the word lazy is often used as code for something more insulting often times. Make of that what you will but I dont agree that he's lazy and that's that. You can’t censor certain words of the English Language because you don’t like to use them. This is not the Guardian Newspaper. I think it’s a valid word that sums up some of his performances. That’s that. Have to agree with Igluguk that lazy is/was often a coded epithet attributed to certain players. We don't know that a player is lazy, we can however see when they are ineffective as game changers.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 24, 2022 9:38:31 GMT
He looked pretty damn quick for his goal against Preston so irrelevant oxy references aside what he needs is consistency and more goals.. pretty much like all our strikers.. obvious 'ard workers or not. Good point - yeah I can't imply that he lacks pace, just seems at times he doesn't keep up with the game, kind of a lackadaisical effect. Yep.. the whole team are bloody frustrating.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 24, 2022 13:22:37 GMT
Jagielka was isolated as Wilmott and Fox were noticeably wide of him and that's how Coventry scored their first goal, they played a straight pass through the middle and Wilmott was drawn forward from an almost right back position with no right back to cover. I think Neill tweeked it from Wednesday because we had so much possession against Rotherham and played a back 3 which caught Coventry out first half but credit to the Coventry manager because he changed things at half time. By the time they scored Clark was on and he definitely played right back. Gayle played wide right all match with Sterling then Clark behind him. Fox definitely played left back overlapping Fosu most of the match. That leaves Wilmot and Jagielka as the centre halves. On Tuesday we played Campbell in front of Sterling and allegedly wing backs although I think Fox played more like a wing back/full back. Fans are very critical of a back 5 but can not agree on whether we are playing 5 at the back or not which tends to suggest that criticism of the system has more to do with prejudice than what they see. If we played a back 3 on Saturday who were they? Fox stuck to the touch line often wider than Fosu who never came back to defend. I think what confuses things is that Wilmot is given licence to roam forward even as one of two. I suspect that if Souttar makes a successful comeback we may well see 3 centre halves more often but Fox is much better as full back than left sided centre half. It will be interesting to see if Souttar replaces Jagielka in the middle pushing him out to the left. We clearly saw thing differently.
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