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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 21, 2022 17:45:03 GMT
"It would be rubbish" is my in depth analysis....... Football would be unwatchable without headers, it would kill the game as a spectacle very quickly
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 21, 2022 17:46:14 GMT
I think if you ask Jeff Astle's family they will suggest that, until recently at least, footballers didn't know the risks and the 'powers that be' did all they could to avoid telling them. Making the link between repetitive heading of a football and early onset dementia is something that is only now being accepted as fact. Restricting heading practice, and avoiding heading in junior football, might just be the change that is needed Am sure they wouldn't but does that incident justify banning heading the ball after 150 years plus of the game ? He played 50 plus years ago also in different conditions etc . F1 drivers have died, boxers etc. People get arthritis due to office work, vision issues etc Let's like I said wrap everyone up .... I'm not supporting a ban, just making the point that footballers didn't know the risks, and Jeff Astle is just one of many ex-players taken too young...possibly due to too much heading of a football (mainly in training), and not fully understanding the potential harm of this and other concussive events. Taking reasonable precautions is a long way from wrapping people up in cotton wool
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Post by cvillestokie on Oct 21, 2022 17:53:49 GMT
It’d be the end of English football as we understand it and probably the end of English chances at major international competitions.
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Post by cvillestokie on Oct 21, 2022 17:57:37 GMT
It’s also not like there hasn’t been coverage of potential disease risk. If players want to play in the face of that, why shouldn’t they?
They could set up a second sport without headers and see if that’s remotely successful. I don’t think it would be to be honest.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 21, 2022 18:11:48 GMT
It’s also not like there hasn’t been coverage of potential disease risk. If players want to play in the face of that, why shouldn’t they? They could set up a second sport without headers and see if that’s remotely successful. I don’t think it would be to be honest. There’s no way footballers could go from heading a nogger to not doing at the drop of a hat. It’d be carnage
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Post by chad on Oct 21, 2022 18:29:03 GMT
Will this be before or after they ban tackling and physical contact. FFS leave the game alone
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 21, 2022 18:36:13 GMT
It’s a myth that dry weight of footballs are lighter now. Ball weight was specified as between 13 and 15ozs but since 1937 the weight specified has increased to 14-16ozs. Of course the old leather cases would absorb water during a game on wet grass which would almost double its weight. However synthetic footballs were introduced at the 1960s but were not accepted for general use until after the 1986 World Cup were they were fully used. So the myth that footballs are lighter now is exactly that…a myth.
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Post by cvillestokie on Oct 21, 2022 18:49:32 GMT
It’s a myth that dry weight of footballs are lighter now. Ball weight was specified as between 13 and 15ozs but since 1937 the weight specified has increased to 14-16ozs. Of course the old leather cases would absorb water during a game on wet grass which would almost double its weight. However synthetic footballs were introduced at the 1960s but were not accepted for general use until after the 1986 World Cup were they were fully used. So the myth that footballs are lighter now is exactly that…a myth. 1986 was almost 40 years ago. What is the weight of a football now? When I think of weight as a football, I definitely think about those old leather balls that swelled up to be honest. Again, as more is known, it’s up to the player to decide the worth of the risk. Just as it is up to the player to risk leaving behind a good chance at schooling to pursue football in the first place. Life is risk, but they do it because if they get to the top, they only have to work for 10 or so years and then they are done.
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Post by turtlefox on Oct 21, 2022 18:56:10 GMT
You could get rid of heading in some way if you got rid of the handball rule. Players could be allowed to bat, punch or deflect the ball with their hand/arm but holding on to the ball would be a foul, keeping the football as we know it and as we like it, enjoyable. The penalty area though would have the same rules as now. Handball would be a foul and you can still score with your head. Any reduction's a good reduction if heading is a problem.
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Post by Royal Donut on Oct 21, 2022 19:05:42 GMT
Smoking kills people they know the risks and still do it. Same with boxing same with working at extreme heights, same with loads of jobs, you don't have to do the sport, it's a choice.
The only thing I would agree on is for kids maybe not old enough to make these decisions......saying that you know we would lose a world cup final to multiple headers and blame the system that the kids never practise this while the rest of the world carried on.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 22, 2022 7:15:16 GMT
It’s a myth that dry weight of footballs are lighter now. Ball weight was specified as between 13 and 15ozs but since 1937 the weight specified has increased to 14-16ozs. Of course the old leather cases would absorb water during a game on wet grass which would almost double its weight. However synthetic footballs were introduced at the 1960s but were not accepted for general use until after the 1986 World Cup were they were fully used. So the myth that footballs are lighter now is exactly that…a myth. 1986 was almost 40 years ago. What is the weight of a football now?When I think of weight as a football, I definitely think about those old leather balls that swelled up to be honest. Again, as more is known, it’s up to the player to decide the worth of the risk. Just as it is up to the player to risk leaving behind a good chance at schooling to pursue football in the first place. Life is risk, but they do it because if they get to the top, they only have to work for 10 or so years and then they are done. Under FA Law 2 ball weight remains 14-16ozs. www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-2---the-ball
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 22, 2022 9:43:54 GMT
You could get rid of heading in some way if you got rid of the handball rule. Players could be allowed to bat, punch or deflect the ball with their hand/arm but holding on to the ball would be a foul, keeping the football as we know it and as we like it, enjoyable. The penalty area though would have the same rules as now. Handball would be a foul and you can still score with your head. Any reduction's a good reduction if heading is a problem. 😂
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Post by walrus on Oct 22, 2022 10:30:50 GMT
What about protective head gear so that heading would be allowed? Short of wearing crash helmets the headgear doesn’t really exist. Rugby style caps would be useless as they’re designed to protect against pressure in the scrum not impacts from the ball.
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Post by hardcastle on Oct 22, 2022 10:44:53 GMT
considering the weight of the ball's now compared to years gone by, a heading ban would be completely pointless and be detrimental to the game. Is there reliable data on long term brain damage based SOLELY on players who've played since the lighter balls were introduced? Historical injury data based on what the likes of Jeff Astle had to experience isn't really relevant is it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2022 11:14:04 GMT
It’s a myth that dry weight of footballs are lighter now. Ball weight was specified as between 13 and 15ozs but since 1937 the weight specified has increased to 14-16ozs. Of course the old leather cases would absorb water during a game on wet grass which would almost double its weight. However synthetic footballs were introduced at the 1960s but were not accepted for general use until after the 1986 World Cup were they were fully used. So the myth that footballs are lighter now is exactly that…a myth. Also a myth all these head traumas . Isolated incidents don't justify changing the rules after a century and a half. More of the...let's ban everything culture. Hundreds of thousands of people play football and pulling up a player from the 60s as an example shows how it isn't a common occurance
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2022 11:23:29 GMT
It would be the final nail in the coffin for me. I fall out of love with football more and more every year that passes now, banning heading, which will definitely happen one day due to the World we live in, would stop me from watching it ever again.
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Post by ravey123 on Oct 22, 2022 11:39:13 GMT
You could get rid of heading in some way if you got rid of the handball rule. Players could be allowed to bat, punch or deflect the ball with their hand/arm but holding on to the ball would be a foul, keeping the football as we know it and as we like it, enjoyable. The penalty area though would have the same rules as now. Handball would be a foul and you can still score with your head. Any reduction's a good reduction if heading is a problem. You’re basically describing Aussie rules football there
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Post by chad on Oct 22, 2022 11:50:14 GMT
You could get rid of heading in some way if you got rid of the handball rule. Players could be allowed to bat, punch or deflect the ball with their hand/arm but holding on to the ball would be a foul, keeping the football as we know it and as we like it, enjoyable. The penalty area though would have the same rules as now. Handball would be a foul and you can still score with your head. Any reduction's a good reduction if heading is a problem. And what would you call this new game 🤷♂️
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 22, 2022 12:35:06 GMT
I can still remember heading a water logged casey as a boy. I was seeing stars, thought my head was between my shoulders, and the trainer ran over to me and congratulated me on such a good header!!! Can't wait to see the day a defender clears the ball off the line and it hits a player on the back of the head and rebounds into the goal and a goal is disallowed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2022 12:42:27 GMT
Remember those power balls? Perhaps a large one of them. Would cause no damage and speed the game up
I think Craig Johnston used one of those to make his first effort at the Adidas Predator.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Oct 22, 2022 13:09:11 GMT
I'm all in for bubble wrap along as we can pop it..
Imagine two people having a scrap wrapped in that.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 22, 2022 13:16:00 GMT
What about protective head gear so that heading would be allowed? Short of wearing crash helmets the headgear doesn’t really exist. Rugby style caps would be useless as they’re designed to protect against pressure in the scrum not impacts from the ball. I'm sure they could be designed and would be a financial opportunity.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 22, 2022 13:19:35 GMT
considering the weight of the ball's now compared to years gone by, a heading ban would be completely pointless and be detrimental to the game. Is there reliable data on long term brain damage based SOLELY on players who've played since the lighter balls were introduced? Historical injury data based on what the likes of Jeff Astle had to experience isn't really relevant is it? The players are not old enough for it to have any effect.......yet!
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 22, 2022 13:52:15 GMT
It would bring matters to a head. I thought the whole point of the plan was to avoid bringing matters to a head?!
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Post by slother on Oct 22, 2022 15:33:40 GMT
They'd be so many wild high feet I feel like it'd be way more dangerous!
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 22, 2022 16:35:47 GMT
Heading is to be banned immediately- but to compensate, players can now catch the ball and run with it. To ensure players don’t suffer Repetitive strain injury from catching and running with the ball they will compress the ball slightly at each side to aid safe carriage. Finally to make it easier to score players will be able to just fall over the line with the ball anywhere between the corner flags or goalposts, which will be extended upwards so goals will also count over the bar ………….
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Post by Davef on Oct 22, 2022 16:45:20 GMT
There may as well be a heading ban for Stoke
Did we win one challenge in either box today?
Pathetic.
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Post by turtlefox on Oct 22, 2022 23:50:24 GMT
You could get rid of heading in some way if you got rid of the handball rule. Players could be allowed to bat, punch or deflect the ball with their hand/arm but holding on to the ball would be a foul, keeping the football as we know it and as we like it, enjoyable. The penalty area though would have the same rules as now. Handball would be a foul and you can still score with your head. Any reduction's a good reduction if heading is a problem. And what would you call this new game 🤷♂️ Foothand. Association Foothand
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Post by callas12 on Oct 23, 2022 0:04:48 GMT
A 90min match on a windy wintery night at the Bet365 using one of these would be an interesting proposition/alternative 🤔😉🤣
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Post by turtlefox on Oct 23, 2022 0:35:18 GMT
You could get rid of heading in some way if you got rid of the handball rule. Players could be allowed to bat, punch or deflect the ball with their hand/arm but holding on to the ball would be a foul, keeping the football as we know it and as we like it, enjoyable. The penalty area though would have the same rules as now. Handball would be a foul and you can still score with your head. Any reduction's a good reduction if heading is a problem. You’re basically describing Aussie rules football there Not really. i was just thinking about the ball going over head height and not being able to head it. At least hands are already a part of football. It's not like introducing hockey sticks
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