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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 28, 2022 11:10:13 GMT
If I was his national manager I'd want him to have played some First Team footy before joining the WC squad. It's a risk for both parties.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2022 11:21:53 GMT
If I was his national manager I'd want him to have played some First Team footy before joining the WC squad. It's a risk for both parties. He's one of their best players, I don't think it's a view their manager or their fans would share. If he's played in the league for us he's fit for the World Cup.
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Post by mistergumby on Oct 28, 2022 11:28:56 GMT
When Beckham did his metatarsal before the 2002 one was anyone concerned about him rushing back? When Rooney did his metatarsal before the 2006 one was anyone concerned about him rushing back? When Keegan had a bad back and Brooking had something else before 1982 was anyone concerned about them rushing back? But Harry has the chance to represent his country and some begrudge him. Yes he's had a huge injury. But if he's fit he's fit. Before the injury he was being watched by premier league clubs. As I said earlier in the thread it's an ideal chance to put himself in the shop window. Quite right, good sir. However, Soutto (or Soutty, Soutters, Sue - Tar or whatever) is worth 100 zillion intergalactic zlotys according to some of the experts on here and they appear to be concerned that should Harold have some kind of injury relapse whilst attending the WC (Ahem) then that munificent bounty from his sale might not find it's way into next season's transfer kitty so we can invest in more players of the calibre of that chap McCarron, currently believed to be warming the bench for Port Vale's reserve team. But I digress: Back in the real world, Oz are fairly crap at international football and as it doesn't look like they'll be bribing FIFA into holding the tourny in Aussie any time soon, then this might be Harold's one chance in his career to take part. If he thinks he's up to it then he should participate. PS. I clearly recall the Brooking injury pre the 1982 WC. A very bad case of 'something else' I believe. There was a lot of it about. But not as much of a fun story as the England player (not the aforementioned Mr Brooking, I hasten to add) who missed a WC group game or two as a result of the STD he caught from a local trollop when ensconced in foreign climes. My source? A former England manager, no less. What jolly times!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 28, 2022 14:12:23 GMT
If I was his national manager I'd want him to have played some First Team footy before joining the WC squad. It's a risk for both parties. He's one of their best players, I don't think it's a view their manager or their fans would share. If he's played in the league for us he's fit for the World Cup. Bayern, I pretty much said that. You're frothing at the mouth about his knocking it around for the Under 21s. The WC is slightly more demanding and my comment revolved around how much First Team footy he was likely to get/needed before he gets on the plane. I wish him well and am fully behind him but his match fitness will limited.
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Post by lordb on Oct 28, 2022 14:21:27 GMT
He's one of their best players, I don't think it's a view their manager or their fans would share. If he's played in the league for us he's fit for the World Cup. Bayern, I pretty much said that. You're frothing at the mouth about his knocking it around for the Under 21s. The WC is slightly more demanding and my comment revolved around how much First Team footy he was likely to get/needed before he gets on the plane. I wish him well and am fully behind him but his match fitness will limited. If he doesn't play for our first team he shouldn't go Atm looks on course to be on the bench soon and starting shortly after Looks like he will go, and play Should be a fantastic experience for him which will benefit Stoke
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2022 14:44:47 GMT
He's one of their best players, I don't think it's a view their manager or their fans would share. If he's played in the league for us he's fit for the World Cup. Bayern, I pretty much said that. You're frothing at the mouth about his knocking it around for the Under 21s. The WC is slightly more demanding and my comment revolved around how much First Team footy he was likely to get/needed before he gets on the plane. I wish him well and am fully behind him but his match fitness will limited. No I’m not. You wrote it as a fan of Stoke. The manager of Australia will play him if he plays one game for us. You’re not looking at it from his pov at all. He’s one of their best players if not their best. He will play if he plays a league game for us.
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Post by werrington on Oct 28, 2022 15:07:05 GMT
Stoke city cannot stop Harry Souttar from going to the World Cup
Australia have every right to call him up and if they do there’s nothing Stoke City can do about it
If asked I’m 100% Harry Souttar will want to play every minute of every game
It’s that simple
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2022 15:09:12 GMT
Stoke city cannot stop Harry Souttar from going to the World Cup Australia have every right to call him up and if they do there’s nothing Stoke City can do about it If asked I’m 100% Harry Souttar will want to play every minute of every game It’s that simple I'm not sure why people are struggling with this.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 28, 2022 16:13:39 GMT
Bayern, I pretty much said that. You're frothing at the mouth about his knocking it around for the Under 21s. The WC is slightly more demanding and my comment revolved around how much First Team footy he was likely to get/needed before he gets on the plane. I wish him well and am fully behind him but his match fitness will limited. No I’m not. You wrote it as a fan of Stoke. The manager of Australia will play him if he plays one game for us. You’re not looking at it from his pov at all. He’s one of their best players if not their best. He will play if he plays a league game for us. Stop bloody telling me what I think. I absolutely would want to go and play in the WC if I was in Harry's position and genuinely hope he does. I'm not really sure what your gripe is other than I suggested you were getting over-excited about his performance in the under 21s. I also understand there's nothing we can do as a club anyway, and why would we? No-one would win, even if that situation was possible. Vent your spleen elsewhere my good man.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2022 16:26:20 GMT
No I’m not. You wrote it as a fan of Stoke. The manager of Australia will play him if he plays one game for us. You’re not looking at it from his pov at all. He’s one of their best players if not their best. He will play if he plays a league game for us. Stop bloody telling me what I think. I absolutely would want to go and play in the WC if I was in Harry's position and genuinely hope he does. I'm not really sure what your gripe is other than I suggested you were getting over-excited about his performance in the under 21s. I also understand there's nothing we can do as a club anyway, and why would we? No-one would win, even if that situation was possible. Vent your spleen elsewhere my good man. I don’t think it was over excitement. He played well and did things that injured players may not do. It was good to see. I’m not telling you what you think your post read as a biased Stoke fan not as someone trying to think like the manager of said player.
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Post by march4 on Oct 28, 2022 16:33:21 GMT
Stoke city cannot stop Harry Souttar from going to the World Cup Australia have every right to call him up and if they do there’s nothing Stoke City can do about it If asked I’m 100% Harry Souttar will want to play every minute of every game It’s that simple I’m guessing Australia have had to pay all the medical costs since the injury plus a big chunk of Harry’s wages while injured. If Harry is injured again while on international duty they will face further costs I imagine. The question for me is what happens if Harry never returns to his form before his injury. If his value drops by a few £M, do the Australians have to compensate us. How many league places has Harry’s injury cost us? Are Australia liable for the loss in prize money? And did England compensate us following Butland’s injury and subsequent loss of form and value?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 28, 2022 17:14:30 GMT
Stop bloody telling me what I think. I absolutely would want to go and play in the WC if I was in Harry's position and genuinely hope he does. I'm not really sure what your gripe is other than I suggested you were getting over-excited about his performance in the under 21s. I also understand there's nothing we can do as a club anyway, and why would we? No-one would win, even if that situation was possible. Vent your spleen elsewhere my good man. I don’t think it was over excitement. He played well and did things that injured players may not do. It was good to see. I’m not telling you what you think your post read as a biased Stoke fan not as someone trying to think like the manager of said player. Well, you couldn’t have been more wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 17:42:21 GMT
If he manages a couple of games for us before going to the World Cup and plays it could be really good news for us.
The intensity of the games and quality of the players he is likely to face should have him championship ready on his return.
I think I'll be watching Australia's games with everything crossed mind 🙏🙏🙏
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 29, 2022 7:42:50 GMT
Big Harry will enjoy the WC. Oz has many good players, notably Aaron Mooy and Tom Rogic (both Celtic players now and before), with quite a few playing in the Scottish Premier league and the Championship, as well as in the Korean and Japanese competitions. This is not quite the half-cocked Australian team that everyone thinks it is. Oz is in Qatar, after having played 21 WC Asian Zone qualifying matches with more than half its games away, and we already know how formidable Japan, South Korea, Iran and Saudi Arabia are. You're more confident of Australia's quality than I am mate. I'd love see them do well but fear it'll be a tough slog for them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 29, 2022 7:46:12 GMT
Big Harry will enjoy the WC. Oz has many good players, notably Aaron Mooy and Tom Rogic (both Celtic players now and before), with quite a few playing in the Scottish Premier league and the Championship, as well as in the Korean and Japanese competitions. This is not quite the half-cocked Australian team that everyone thinks it is. Oz is in Qatar, after having played 21 WC Asian Zone qualifying matches with more than half its games away, and we already know how formidable Japan, South Korea, Iran and Saudi Arabia are. You're more confident of Australia's quality than I am mate. I'd love see them do well but fear it'll be a tough slog for them. I was looking at their squad to see if my assumption he was one of their best players was true and I think it is? Looking at them there was one stand out who’s still a decent age and that’s Matt Ryan. Roglic and Mooy. And then a couple that play in Spain and Italy who I’d never heard of but were at good clubs. Is he from your pov one of Aussie’s best players?
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Post by werrington on Oct 29, 2022 7:47:36 GMT
It’s potentially heaven sent for us as Harry will get match fit and hit the ground running on our return v Cardiff
What people need to get over is if he gets injured again it’s one of those things and not that he’s been rushed back as believe me Stoke have handled his injury superbly just as they did with Campbell and Bojan
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 29, 2022 7:50:51 GMT
It’s potentially heaven sent for us as Harry will get match fit and hit the ground running on our return v Cardiff What people need to get over is if he gets injured again it’s one of those things and not that he’s been rushed back as believe me Stoke have handled his injury superbly just as they did with Campbell and Bojan Definitely my view. 3 games where he can be rusty and a bit shit and quite frankly I don’t care that if he is 😂he comes back 3 games fitter for us and hopefully less rusty.
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Post by theonlooker on Oct 29, 2022 7:57:17 GMT
No football club should ever stop or attempt to stop a player going to a World Cup - be it Stoke or whoever and be it a player returning from injury or not. It is potentially a once in a lifetime opportunity for a lad that will take the experience to the grave.
I hope Harry is fit enough to go, regardless of whether he has played many or any games for us and has a great time. Regardless of what happens we'll be getting a better player and person back in return.
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Post by wilcopotter on Oct 29, 2022 7:59:39 GMT
It’s potentially heaven sent for us as Harry will get match fit and hit the ground running on our return v Cardiff What people need to get over is if he gets injured again it’s one of those things and not that he’s been rushed back as believe me Stoke have handled his injury superbly just as they did with Campbell and Bojan Not sure if those 2 are good examples, one couldn’t hit a cow’s arse with a banjo and the other ( sadly) was never the same again.
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Post by theonlooker on Oct 29, 2022 8:02:13 GMT
It’s potentially heaven sent for us as Harry will get match fit and hit the ground running on our return v Cardiff What people need to get over is if he gets injured again it’s one of those things and not that he’s been rushed back as believe me Stoke have handled his injury superbly just as they did with Campbell and Bojan Not sure if those 2 are good examples, one couldn’t hit a cow’s arse with a banjo and the other ( sadly) was never the same again. Bojan's stats were actually better and more efficient after his injury. The fact that the side crumbled around him doesn't mean he wasn't the same player.
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2022 8:26:27 GMT
Not sure if those 2 are good examples, one couldn’t hit a cow’s arse with a banjo and the other ( sadly) was never the same again. Bojan's stats were actually better and more efficient after his injury. The fact that the side crumbled around him doesn't mean he wasn't the same player. And the side didn't crumble Peak Stoke under Hughes was after Bojan return
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 29, 2022 8:35:01 GMT
You're more confident of Australia's quality than I am mate. I'd love see them do well but fear it'll be a tough slog for them. I was looking at their squad to see if my assumption he was one of their best players was true and I think it is? Looking at them there was one stand out who’s still a decent age and that’s Matt Ryan. Roglic and Mooy. And then a couple that play in Spain and Italy who I’d never heard of but were at good clubs. Is he from your pov one of Aussie’s best players? Yes. Their world cup qualification campaign went to absolute shit when he got injured. They're just a much softer touch without him
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Post by theonlooker on Oct 29, 2022 8:38:55 GMT
Bojan's stats were actually better and more efficient after his injury. The fact that the side crumbled around him doesn't mean he wasn't the same player. And the side didn't crumble Peak Stoke under Hughes was after Bojan return It did eventually obviously and that's when the cries about Bojan started, conveniently forgetting about that spell in between his injury return and the collapse as you say.
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Post by wilcopotter on Oct 29, 2022 8:42:46 GMT
Not sure if those 2 are good examples, one couldn’t hit a cow’s arse with a banjo and the other ( sadly) was never the same again. Bojan's stats were actually better and more efficient after his injury. The fact that the side crumbled around him doesn't mean he wasn't the same player. My fault, didn’t mean to turn this into a Bojan thread think that’s been done to death. But reality, Bojan is / was a brilliant player, but 7/8 years since his terrible injury, not many appearances (around 100 ish), 2 loans at lower table European clubs, the MLS and now in the J League at 32 years of age, tragic really.
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2022 9:09:31 GMT
And the side didn't crumble Peak Stoke under Hughes was after Bojan return It did eventually obviously and that's when the cries about Bojan started, conveniently forgetting about that spell in between his injury return and the collapse as you say. 18 months later No correlation with Bojan return
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 31, 2022 20:32:48 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 7, 2022 7:25:38 GMT
He's been named in the squad of 26.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 7, 2022 9:21:50 GMT
Love this guy. Hopefully we see him tomorrow 😊
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Post by hotpot on Nov 8, 2022 1:48:23 GMT
Harry would be a squad member and a player in any WC team. But at rate we are performing, I fear that we will surely lose him to a wealthier club in January. Especially if the much under-rated Australia, with Harry as its biggest rock in defence, astounds everyone in Qatar. How much his valuation would be then? After the WC final, the club will only have the whole of December to decide to sell Harry. Suspect it would be an offer that we simply cannot refuse.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 8, 2022 1:51:44 GMT
Harry would be a squad member and a player in any WC team. But at rate we are performing, I fear that we will surely lose him to a wealthier club in January. Especially if the much under-rated Australia, with Harry as its biggest rock in defence, astounds everyone in Qatar. How much his valuation would be then? After the WC final, the club will only have the whole of December to decide to sell Harry. Suspect it would be an offer that we simply cannot refuse. I wouldn't describe Australia as underrated.
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