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Post by gawa on Sept 5, 2022 15:16:01 GMT
I rated Davies and he consistently kept clean sheets. Great at 1-on-1's and his shot stopping was pretty good. He was a bit flappy on crosses but he did command his box and come for most crosses. He was firstly in Butlands shadow (who should have been sold earlier), and then demoted for the younger Bursik, so I understand why he wanted to leave. Right now we just need a solid and experienced keeper - a Lee Grant or a Mark Crossley. It would settle the defence as well as actually start making some saves. Bursik can be sold now - his confidence will be shot and he wont make a good keeper at Stoke Agree with this Matt and no I don’t blame Davies for wanting to leave he got treated like shit. I blame the club and mon for selling him. In fairness to bursik mon pissed him off last year by keeping him out of the team last season cos a young lad had a couple of drinks so I think mon has alot to answer to for bursiks form and attitude. I think he’s out of contract at the end of season so we won’t get anything for him I think the contract situation is part of the reason why he got the #1 shirt this season. I get the impression he wasn't willing to sign a new contract if he wasn't #1 or was sent out on loan elsewhere. Which in turn would have resulted in criticism for losing such a "talented" youth prospect. Not sure if it's Bursik, his agent or his family. But someone is making him think he's better than he actually is and it's done him no favours. At this rate he probably would have got a better renewed contract this summer at Stoke than what he will get elsewhere or at Stoke next season.
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Post by tqstokie on Sept 5, 2022 15:28:17 GMT
Forrester would have been better than any of the back three that played. He left for similar reasons his way being blocked by ageing journeymen.
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Post by milky on Sept 5, 2022 15:52:38 GMT
The problem is not allowing Davies to leave but that someone sat watching the calamity brothers in action for 6 months and did nothing about it. Prizes if you can guess who ? Michael O'Neill, Dean Holden, The Coates and Alex Neil. What do I win now? Would that be the Alex Neil who had been at the club 3 days before the transfer window closed ? Agenda peddling at its finest !
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Post by gawa on Sept 5, 2022 15:52:47 GMT
Forrester would have been better than any of the back three that played. He left for similar reasons his way being blocked by ageing journeymen. I think the issue with Forrester was more his injury record. He has had numerous injury issues and only managed less than 5 appearances in his loan spells. Connor Taylor on the other hand had a successful loan were he won promotion and was integrated to the first team. I believe we wanted to sign Forrester long term and send him on loan again and he didn't fancy that. I don't think he'd have got the minutes in the first team this year as well as Taylor. Especially with us now looking towards a back 4 too.
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Post by gawa on Sept 5, 2022 15:56:31 GMT
Michael O'Neill, Dean Holden, The Coates and Alex Neil. What do I win now? Would that be the Alex Neil who had been at the club 3 days before the transfer window closed ? Agenda peddling at its finest ! You'd know all about that. Learning from the best in the business here. Another thread where you want to speak about a manager no longer here. I'm enjoying discussing the player that the topic is about with everyone else in the thread. You'd nearly think... The person with an agenda is you? Michael O'Neill is gone now, you need to learn to get over it. There's a thread about Liam Delap. Maybe go in there and tell us his poor fitness is down to the 3 days he spent with Michael O'Neill and nothing to do with Man City. Hopefully Alex Neil can give pep some tips on how to keep his squad fit. He could maybe do a roadshow around the premiership. Bournemouth, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Southampton and Brentford can all get a master class on player fitness. Maybe even throw Cardiff, Bristol, Leeds and Reading in there while we're at it. All these new players who were here for a month if that and their fitness just vanished upon joining Stoke in no time. Good thing is Big Al should be able to get them up to speed just as quick again.
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Post by milky on Sept 5, 2022 16:05:02 GMT
Would that be the Alex Neil who had been at the club 3 days before the transfer window closed ? Agenda peddling at its finest ! You'd know all about that. Learning from the best in the business here. Another thread where you want to speak about a manager no longer here. I'm enjoying discussing the player that the topic is about with everyone else in the thread. You'd nearly think... The person with an agenda is you? Michael O'Neill is gone now, you need to learn to get over it. There's a thread about Liam Delap. Maybe go in there and tell us his poor fitness is down to the 3 days he spent with Michael O'Neill and nothing to do with Man City. Hopefully Alex Neil can give pep some tips on how to keep his squad fit. He could maybe do a roadshow around the premiership. Bournemouth, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Southampton and Brentford can all get a master class on player fitness. Me thinks someone's nerve has been touched. Tell us again why you think Neil , even Holden and Coates, are culpable for us not signing a keeper in the last 6 to 8 months? I'm genuinely curious. You'd think it was the managers job to identify weaknesses in the squad and attempt to address the issue.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2022 16:07:47 GMT
I can't speak for Bayern but his dislike of Davies had little if anything to do with believing he was limiting Bursik's chances and everything to do with Davies being rubbish as well. Davies every bit as hopeless as Bursik but was on about 10k per week more. He was rightly sold. We should never have signed him in the first place. That’s utter rubbish Do you know how much Davies was on. I don’t know why fans try to guess what players are on. Davies came from Barnsley so I wouldn’t have thought he would be on as much as some think. Personally I don’t think mon didn’t rate him I just think he didn’t like him. I haven’t looked but if you look at stats between the 3 off them I know who will come out on top and let’s face it everyone on here likes stats. If tachyon reads this could you do stats on these 3 please Now I’ve said all along Davies was average not a world beater but to say he was on a par with bursik is just laughable. He kept clean sheet after clean sheet. He made mistakes but not anywhere near what bursik and bonham do. Both Bursik and Davies kept a disproportionate amount of clean sheets in their early forays into the team. Look back at those games and generally, neither keeper had anything at all to do. He came on a free transfer having been in the league 1 team of the year. Reports suggested he was on 16k per week for sitting on his arse for large parts of his time with us. Davies made as many mistakes as anyone but because he wasn't Jack Butland, he was lauded as some kind of saviour just for doing the basics right from time to time.
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Post by gawa on Sept 5, 2022 16:11:31 GMT
You'd know all about that. Learning from the best in the business here. Another thread where you want to speak about a manager no longer here. I'm enjoying discussing the player that the topic is about with everyone else in the thread. You'd nearly think... The person with an agenda is you? Michael O'Neill is gone now, you need to learn to get over it. There's a thread about Liam Delap. Maybe go in there and tell us his poor fitness is down to the 3 days he spent with Michael O'Neill and nothing to do with Man City. Hopefully Alex Neil can give pep some tips on how to keep his squad fit. He could maybe do a roadshow around the premiership. Bournemouth, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Southampton and Brentford can all get a master class on player fitness. Me thinks someone's nerve has been touched. Tell us again why you think Neil , even Holden and Coates, are culpable for us not signing a keeper in the last 6 to 8 months? I'm genuinely curious. You'd think it was the managers job to identify weaknesses in the squad and attempt to address the issue. I've already answered this in the thread. Dean Holden is part of Michael's coaching team and his assistant. Of course he is accountable too. But lesser so. The Coates are the owners and sign off on the transfers. The last manager cut the budget by 50% and this is likely why we've had to sign lower league GKs on peanuts such as Bonham. Alex Neil seen the makeup of the squad. He used a loan signing for a Chelsea RWB. The third loan signing we have in this position. And I'm sure we're paying alot for his wages and a loan fee too. That money should have been used for a GK which is a bigger priority. Or if not a GK, even a LCB. And for Coates/Neil again. Right now Ben Foster is still a free agent. There are still GKs which can be signed. Their continued lack of action in signing a GK when a perfectly good free agent is available speaks volume.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 5, 2022 16:20:09 GMT
Has Lee Camp retired yet? Last decent keeper we had, and even he you felt was riding a tsunami of lucky form. If you’re referring to Lee Grant then yes he has retired and is coach at Ipswich. He had a great season 2016-17 winning player of the year. However next season saw Butland return from injury replacing him and ironically we were relegated. Not sure if there is a link there.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 5, 2022 16:45:04 GMT
Whats Soro up to these days? 🤔😉
As good a keeper as Ive seen in a Stoke shirt (80s onwards)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 5, 2022 16:49:26 GMT
I can't speak for Bayern but his dislike of Davies had little if anything to do with believing he was limiting Bursik's chances and everything to do with Davies being rubbish as well. Davies every bit as hopeless as Bursik but was on about 10k per week more. He was rightly sold. We should never have signed him in the first place. Well he thought Bursik was better than Davies with one leg. This was less than a month after his motm performance against QPR. And he also thinks that Bursik will play at a higher level and make us money. Not quote the no brainer now. Only one of them will make us money and play at a higher level. He's also better at the moment (with one leg ). So it's a no brainer. He's not alone though. A large majority of our oatcake experts were saying similar on the latter pages of this thread - oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/302564/adam-davies?page=1Davies was shit. We needed a better keeper.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 5, 2022 16:49:49 GMT
Has Lee Camp retired yet? Last decent keeper we had, and even he you felt was riding a tsunami of lucky form. If you’re referring to Lee Grant then yes he has retired and is coach at Ipswich. He had a great season 2016-17 winning player of the year. However next season saw Butland return from injury replacing him and ironically we were relegated. Not sure if there is a link there. Aye Lee Grant. Moved to United.
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Post by iamstokie on Sept 5, 2022 16:51:00 GMT
Well he thought Bursik was better than Davies with one leg. This was less than a month after his motm performance against QPR. And he also thinks that Bursik will play at a higher level and make us money. Not quote the no brainer now. He's not alone though. A large majority of our oatcake experts were saying similar on the latter pages of this thread - oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/302564/adam-davies?page=1Davies was shit. We needed a better keeper. Davies was shit , Bonham a little more shit , Bursik a whole lot more shit , we haven’t had a good keeper in a while 🤷♂️
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 5, 2022 16:52:08 GMT
Davies was shit. We needed a better keeper. Davies was shit , Bonham a little more shit , Bursik a whole lot more shit , we haven’t had a good keeper in a while 🤷♂️ The last one was Bego. Butland was a one season wonder so that for me doesn’t count.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2022 16:54:58 GMT
I've just had flashbacks to Angus Gunn.
Where do we find them?
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 5, 2022 16:57:11 GMT
It's never about letting players go, releasing or selling them. It's always about how you replace them and what with.
We've had a knack for quite some time now of replacing good with decent and decent with poor.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 17:12:25 GMT
I rated Davies and he consistently kept clean sheets. Great at 1-on-1's and his shot stopping was pretty good. He was a bit flappy on crosses but he did command his box and come for most crosses. He was firstly in Butlands shadow (who should have been sold earlier), and then demoted for the younger Bursik, so I understand why he wanted to leave. Right now we just need a solid and experienced keeper - a Lee Grant or a Mark Crossley. It would settle the defence as well as actually start making some saves. Bursik can be sold now - his confidence will be shot and he wont make a good keeper at Stoke Agree with this Matt and no I don’t blame Davies for wanting to leave he got treated like shit. I blame the club and mon for selling him. In fairness to bursik mon pissed him off last year by keeping him out of the team last season cos a young lad had a couple of drinks so I think mon has alot to answer to for bursiks form and attitude. I think he’s out of contract at the end of season so we won’t get anything for himWe'll still get compo due to his age won't we? Just checked if he signs for someone else on 13th July or later maybe not. Can anyone who actually knows confirm one way or the other.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2022 17:19:08 GMT
According to that Opta 'Goals prevented' metric, Davies doesn't come out great. Very comparable with Bonham, who doesn't look to be an absolute car crash. Just the definition of average.
Tachyon could probably give more of an insight.
Keepers who played 25% of minutes for their club 20-21 Davies (36% of minutes) League Rank: 27/35 Bursik (33%) 24/35 Gunn (31%) 32/35
21-22 Bonham (33%) 21/35 Davies (26%) 18/35 Bursik (41%) 33/35
22-23 Bursik (62%) 25/28 Bonham (38%) 16/28
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Sept 5, 2022 17:26:11 GMT
Adam Davies was the best keeper we've had since the championship in my opinion. Unfortunately he received alot of unfair criticism by certain members on here who felt he was limiting Bursiks opportunities. Those same members of course are very critical of the goalkeeper department now despite having their wishes filled. Prizes if you can guess who? Opinions eh?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 18:06:18 GMT
According to that Opta 'Goals prevented' metric, Davies doesn't come out great. Very comparable with Bonham, who doesn't look to be an absolute car crash. Just the definition of average. Tachyon could probably give more of an insight. Keepers who played 25% of minutes for their club 20-21Davies (36% of minutes) League Rank: 27/35 Bursik (33%) 24/35 Gunn (31%) 32/35 21-22Bonham (33%) 21/35 Davies (26%) 18/35 Bursik (41%) 33/35 22-23Bursik (62%) 25/28 Bonham (38%) 16/28 Not sure we need more insight non of them even near the top 10 keepers in this league. If we have ambitions it's just going to keep undermining them. Though we also have issues in other areas.
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 5, 2022 18:11:33 GMT
Agree with this Matt and no I don’t blame Davies for wanting to leave he got treated like shit. I blame the club and mon for selling him. In fairness to bursik mon pissed him off last year by keeping him out of the team last season cos a young lad had a couple of drinks so I think mon has alot to answer to for bursiks form and attitude. I think he’s out of contract at the end of season so we won’t get anything for himWe'll still get compo due to his age won't we? Just checked if he signs for someone else on 13th July or later maybe not. Can anyone who actually knows confirm one way or the other. Think it’s a aged thing not sure if it’s 21 or not
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 18:16:26 GMT
We'll still get compo due to his age won't we? Just checked if he signs for someone else on 13th July or later maybe not. Can anyone who actually knows confirm one way or the other. Think it’s a aged thing not sure if it’s 21 or not Though it was 23 he's 23 on 12th July 2023. Where's Bayern when he could make himself useful. EDIT: Good news it appears to be 24 so we'll get compo signing club will have to agree a fee with us or tribunal will set one. We might get more than he's worth on that basis England U21 and all.
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Post by rambo61 on Sept 5, 2022 18:44:14 GMT
Foster is on a freebie...Alex sign the the fucker up. Itll be the first time we make money on a signing!!!!🤣🤣
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 5, 2022 18:59:54 GMT
Think it’s a aged thing not sure if it’s 21 or not Though it was 23 he's 23 on 12th July 2023. Where's Bayern when he could make himself useful. EDIT: Good news it appears to be 24 so we'll get compo signing club will have to agree a fee with us or tribunal will set one. We might get more than he's worth on that basis England U21 and all. That’s a higher bar than what I thought but yeah it would be good to get a few for him. I would have thought he won’t be signing a new contract
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Post by bigvern on Sept 5, 2022 19:07:22 GMT
Has Barry Siddall still got a pair of gloves??
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 5, 2022 19:13:22 GMT
Me thinks someone's nerve has been touched. Tell us again why you think Neil , even Holden and Coates, are culpable for us not signing a keeper in the last 6 to 8 months? I'm genuinely curious. You'd think it was the managers job to identify weaknesses in the squad and attempt to address the issue. I've already answered this in the thread. Dean Holden is part of Michael's coaching team and his assistant. Of course he is accountable too. But lesser so. The Coates are the owners and sign off on the transfers. The last manager cut the budget by 50% and this is likely why we've had to sign lower league GKs on peanuts such as Bonham. Alex Neil seen the makeup of the squad. He used a loan signing for a Chelsea RWB. The third loan signing we have in this position. And I'm sure we're paying alot for his wages and a loan fee too. That money should have been used for a GK which is a bigger priority. Or if not a GK, even a LCB. And for Coates/Neil again. Right now Ben Foster is still a free agent. There are still GKs which can be signed. Their continued lack of action in signing a GK when a perfectly good free agent is available speaks volume. What, for one, sane instant, would make you think Ben Foster would want to come to Stoke as a number one keeper? Number two for a good cup team. Maybe. Nice or Monaco or similar for a nice warm year, do the badges, ride me bike round. Just ride me bike around. Go to Stoke. Saturday, Wednesday (with half those being on the proverbial miserable, cold, wet, Stoke nights) Behind a back…well whatever it’s supposed to be. You pick a number.. The best he could hope for is player of the year, cause he would be busier that a one legged man in an arse kicking contest.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 5, 2022 19:31:55 GMT
I've just had flashbacks to Angus Gunn. Where do we find them? I've just remembered Andy Lonergan and his one appearance for us. Was that the season where we had that Finnish bloke from Bristol City and he got injured after one training session?
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Post by gawa on Sept 5, 2022 19:44:51 GMT
I've already answered this in the thread. Dean Holden is part of Michael's coaching team and his assistant. Of course he is accountable too. But lesser so. The Coates are the owners and sign off on the transfers. The last manager cut the budget by 50% and this is likely why we've had to sign lower league GKs on peanuts such as Bonham. Alex Neil seen the makeup of the squad. He used a loan signing for a Chelsea RWB. The third loan signing we have in this position. And I'm sure we're paying alot for his wages and a loan fee too. That money should have been used for a GK which is a bigger priority. Or if not a GK, even a LCB. And for Coates/Neil again. Right now Ben Foster is still a free agent. There are still GKs which can be signed. Their continued lack of action in signing a GK when a perfectly good free agent is available speaks volume. What, for one, sane instant, would make you think Ben Foster would want to come to Stoke as a number one keeper? Number two for a good cup team. Maybe. Nice or Monaco or similar for a nice warm year, do the badges, ride me bike round. Just ride me bike around. Go to Stoke. Saturday, Wednesday (with half those being on the proverbial miserable, cold, wet, Stoke nights) Behind a back…well whatever it’s supposed to be. You pick a number.. The best he could hope for is player of the year, cause he would be busier that a one legged man in an arse kicking contest. Why would he not want to come here? Feels like every player we've been interested in and faced competition for has chosen to join us recently. We beat off a load of others for Gayle, Laurent and Delap. Why would top players at this level suddenly turn their nose up when we seem to be the preference for most?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 5, 2022 19:50:27 GMT
What, for one, sane instant, would make you think Ben Foster would want to come to Stoke as a number one keeper? Number two for a good cup team. Maybe. Nice or Monaco or similar for a nice warm year, do the badges, ride me bike round. Just ride me bike around. Go to Stoke. Saturday, Wednesday (with half those being on the proverbial miserable, cold, wet, Stoke nights) Behind a back…well whatever it’s supposed to be. You pick a number.. The best he could hope for is player of the year, cause he would be busier that a one legged man in an arse kicking contest. Why would he not want to come here? Feels like every player we've been interested in and faced competition for has chosen to join us recently. We beat off a load of others for Gayle, Laurent and Delap. Why would top players at this level suddenly turn their nose up when we seem to be the preference for most? tbf his reasoning applies to every championship club and his alternate suggestions sound a lot more alluring.
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Post by PenkPonther on Sept 5, 2022 21:37:58 GMT
Our current options make you weep.
Especially when you remember that in Championship Season 2004/2005, our 3 keepers to choose from were Steve Simonsen, Ed De Goey and Ben Foster!!! 😮
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