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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 4, 2022 21:30:02 GMT
The worry is that we are going to very quickly find ourselves in the same position is twelve months ago, where we switched goalkeeper every time they made a mistake and ended up with two bags of nerves who suddenly made once-in-a-lifetime comedy howlers in every game.
I hate to say it, but I think we have to bite the bullet and back Bonham until January.
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 4, 2022 21:38:23 GMT
The worry is that we are going to very quickly find ourselves in the same position is twelve months ago, where we switched goalkeeper every time they made a mistake and ended up with two bags of nerves who suddenly made once-in-a-lifetime comedy howlers in every game. I hate to say it, but I think we have to bite the bullet and back Bonham until January. i will put the champagne back in the cellar ten, cos we aint going up
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 4, 2022 22:04:09 GMT
The worry is that we are going to very quickly find ourselves in the same position is twelve months ago, where we switched goalkeeper every time they made a mistake and ended up with two bags of nerves who suddenly made once-in-a-lifetime comedy howlers in every game. I hate to say it, but I think we have to bite the bullet and back Bonham until January. Unfortunately he’s the least worst option right now. God knows what we will do if he gets injured.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 4, 2022 22:12:04 GMT
The worry is that we are going to very quickly find ourselves in the same position is twelve months ago, where we switched goalkeeper every time they made a mistake and ended up with two bags of nerves who suddenly made once-in-a-lifetime comedy howlers in every game. I hate to say it, but I think we have to bite the bullet and back Bonham until January. Unfortunately he’s the least worst option right now. God knows what we will do if he gets injured. Just play rush, can’t be any worse.
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Post by sealion100 on Sept 4, 2022 22:25:44 GMT
Think neither goalie option is great , but to give this debate some balance both are behind the slowest/worst defenders in the league ONLY a truly great experience keeper could have a influence !!! Foster could do that job ...
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 4, 2022 22:31:32 GMT
The worry is that we are going to very quickly find ourselves in the same position is twelve months ago, where we switched goalkeeper every time they made a mistake and ended up with two bags of nerves who suddenly made once-in-a-lifetime comedy howlers in every game. I hate to say it, but I think we have to bite the bullet and back Bonham until January. I’d stick with Bonham. Yep he messed up today but in relation to his glove work he’s looked a lot more solid than Bursik. He just needs to be sensible coming out of his box.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2022 22:32:34 GMT
The worry is that we are going to very quickly find ourselves in the same position is twelve months ago, where we switched goalkeeper every time they made a mistake and ended up with two bags of nerves who suddenly made once-in-a-lifetime comedy howlers in every game. I hate to say it, but I think we have to bite the bullet and back Bonham until January. I’d stick with Bonham. Yep he messed up today but in relation to his glove work he’s looked a lot more solid than Bursik. He just needs to be sensible coming out of his box. He made as many mistakes as Bursik last season. This isn’t a one off.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 4, 2022 22:39:48 GMT
I’d stick with Bonham. Yep he messed up today but in relation to his glove work he’s looked a lot more solid than Bursik. He just needs to be sensible coming out of his box. He made as many mistakes as Bursik last season. This isn’t a one off. Not saying it is but of the 2 I think he’s the one that looks the more solid.
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 4, 2022 22:44:07 GMT
He made as many mistakes as Bursik last season. This isn’t a one off. Not saying it is but of the 2 I think he’s the one that looks the more solid. Tallest person of other stature?
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 4, 2022 23:38:38 GMT
Unfortunately he’s the least worst option right now. God knows what we will do if he gets injured. Just play rush, can’t be any worse. Bonham was by the looks of it
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 5, 2022 7:29:34 GMT
Surely to god there must be a free agent out there who is better than what we have got and would be up for it. Loris Karius is available, yes he's had his issues but could we reignite his career, could we afford him? I'm currently wading through the list on Transfermarkt and he was the first name to stand out. Keeper freebies.
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Post by samblano on Sept 5, 2022 7:41:17 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2022 7:47:33 GMT
Surely to god there must be a free agent out there who is better than what we have got and would be up for it. Loris Karius is available, yes he's had his issues but could we reignite his career, could we afford him? I'm currently wading through the list on Transfermarkt and he was the first name to stand out. Keeper freebies.He hasn't played since 20-21 though, has he? And only a handful of games that season. He'd be a hell of a risk. To be honest, I think they all would being chucked in undercooked. There's probably a reason they're clubless at this stage of the season Other than Foster, Orjan Nyland seems to have the most recent experience of English football at the end of last season for Reading. But he doesn't show up well in the stats, and he was released. I think we might have to take our medicine with Bonham until January. And, even then, unless we've got some decent money to spend, it's hard to know how it'd change in January if loans aren't an option.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 5, 2022 8:03:05 GMT
Surely to god there must be a free agent out there who is better than what we have got and would be up for it. Loris Karius is available, yes he's had his issues but could we reignite his career, could we afford him? I'm currently wading through the list on Transfermarkt and he was the first name to stand out. Keeper freebies.He hasn't played since 20-21 though, has he? And only a handful of games that season. He'd be a hell of a risk. To be honest, I think they all would being chucked in undercooked. There's probably a reason they're clubless at this stage of the season Other than Foster, Orjan Nyland seems to have the most recent experience of English football at the end of last season for Reading. But he doesn't show up well in the stats, and he was released. I think we might have to take our medicine with Bonham until January. And, even then, unless we've got some decent money to spend, it's hard to know how it'd change in January if loans aren't an option. Yeah I can't disagree with anything there, we're going to have to persevere with the current incumbents until Jan and just hope one of them finds a run of form that is above the sum of their means for a good run of games. Bonham was absolutely fine midweek then does that yesterday. A boro mate of mine actually picked Bursik out of our game against them and said you've got a good keeper on your hands there. I replied telling him that his performance that night wasn't the norm. I'm surprised Fielding has never been given a try, in terms of goalkeepers he's not actually that old really but is he just finished at this level, if so why did we keep him on when we've got a glaring hole in the no.1 spot?
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 5, 2022 8:09:12 GMT
Why would foster give up his well earned retirement where he's having fun doing his own thing for the first time in 20+ years, to come and play in goal for a mid table at best championship team with a dysfunctional defence ...
..no, he doesn't need the money.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 5, 2022 8:18:07 GMT
I don't have a particular agenda and as far as my opinion goes, we have a group of professional goalkeepers at the club who each have their merit and faults. They are what they are. What does frustrate me is that whenever I watch football on TV, even relatively unknown goalkeepers (at least to me) seem to pull off tremendous match changing saves, week in, week out. i.e they are doing their job. Yet our own group just don't seem to operate on the same plain. I'm sure our keepers are not poor, and we have coaches to bring them up to acceptable performance levels, and yet they are either lacking in confidence or motivation, and they are simply underperforming consistently.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 5, 2022 8:56:11 GMT
What’s Shilton up to these days? Wouldn't you prefer Seaman ?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 5, 2022 10:13:46 GMT
He hasn't played since 20-21 though, has he? And only a handful of games that season. He'd be a hell of a risk. To be honest, I think they all would being chucked in undercooked. There's probably a reason they're clubless at this stage of the season Other than Foster, Orjan Nyland seems to have the most recent experience of English football at the end of last season for Reading. But he doesn't show up well in the stats, and he was released. I think we might have to take our medicine with Bonham until January. And, even then, unless we've got some decent money to spend, it's hard to know how it'd change in January if loans aren't an option. Yeah I can't disagree with anything there, we're going to have to persevere with the current incumbents until Jan and just hope one of them finds a run of form that is above the sum of their means for a good run of games. Bonham was absolutely fine midweek then does that yesterday. A boro mate of mine actually picked Bursik out of our game against them and said you've got a good keeper on your hands there. I replied telling him that his performance that night wasn't the norm. I'm surprised Fielding has never been given a try, in terms of goalkeepers he's not actually that old really but is he just finished at this level, if so why did we keep him on when we've got a glaring hole in the no.1 spot? I'm not sure he was tbh, he got very lucky with an awful parry back into the box and I still think he may have done a little better with the goal. Our options are crap and I'm still leaning to Bursik in the hope it would help him improve.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 5, 2022 10:15:04 GMT
Why would foster give up his well earned retirement where he's having fun doing his own thing for the first time in 20+ years, to come and play in goal for a mid table at best championship team with a dysfunctional defence ... ..no, he doesn't need the money. Boredom or just enjoying playing, a lot of players keep going even when they don't need the money.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 5, 2022 10:20:55 GMT
Yeah I can't disagree with anything there, we're going to have to persevere with the current incumbents until Jan and just hope one of them finds a run of form that is above the sum of their means for a good run of games. Bonham was absolutely fine midweek then does that yesterday. A boro mate of mine actually picked Bursik out of our game against them and said you've got a good keeper on your hands there. I replied telling him that his performance that night wasn't the norm. I'm surprised Fielding has never been given a try, in terms of goalkeepers he's not actually that old really but is he just finished at this level, if so why did we keep him on when we've got a glaring hole in the no.1 spot? I'm not sure he was tbh, he got very lucky with an awful parry back into the box and I still think he may have done a little better with the goal. Our options are crap and I'm still leaning to Bursik in the hope it would help him improve. Yeah I know what you mean but we're a championship club, keeper's at this level in the main aren't going to do everything right, every time. We didn't concede from it although yes I agree he should've done better. The goal too he should've come out and possibly dealt with it better I agree. The ball in was excellent though and a lot of championship keepers will probably have been beaten by it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 11:13:53 GMT
How does a club owned by billionaires end up in this position? It’s Sunday league stuff.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 5, 2022 11:16:29 GMT
Can someone find me Tachyon's analysis of Bursik and Bonham please?
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Sept 6, 2022 16:38:52 GMT
Sorry to be dull. A few facts in a table to consider from fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/Championship-StatsOur keeper save % of shots on target is 60%, which is marginally better than the worst teams. However, the number of shots on target we have against us is 25, the 7th BEST in the league. Snap conclusion from this data: defence is actually alright, but when shots get through defence, it is amongst worst in league keeping them out. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 6, 2022 16:42:17 GMT
How does a club owned by billionaires end up in this position? It’s Sunday league stuff. Because the billionaires have offered the job to three absolute losers in a row.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Sept 6, 2022 18:29:59 GMT
Why would foster give up his well earned retirement where he's having fun doing his own thing for the first time in 20+ years, to come and play in goal for a mid table at best championship team with a dysfunctional defence ... ..no, he doesn't need the money. Boredom or just enjoying playing, a lot of players keep going even when they don't need the money. . Didn’t work well with Given, who was well past it, and I think Foster is.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 6, 2022 20:10:24 GMT
How does a club owned by billionaires end up in this position? It’s Sunday league stuff. Because the billionaires have offered the job to three absolute losers in a row. Hold that thought 😉
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Post by stokemark on Sept 6, 2022 20:45:37 GMT
I still can't figure out how this utter fiasco has been allowed
A quick look at Bonham Wiki profile informs you that he is nowhere near good enough to play regularly in the Championship.
MON clearly expected Bursik to step up but then MON has dropped more than a few bollocks this situation being right up there along with our OAP centre half's.
Rank incompetence at every level
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Post by flash on Sept 6, 2022 22:52:15 GMT
Get big Nev back. Not get much past him
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 6, 2022 23:09:17 GMT
Get big Nev back. Not get much past him
It's mind boggling to think how great a keeper he was when you see this photo
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Post by kustokie on Sept 7, 2022 0:11:17 GMT
What? The lad is 22 years of age with fairly limited playing experience in 1st team professional football and his SCFC experience has to-date been behind an ever changing and inconsistent defence. I’m under the impression that many goalkeepers (unless you’re an absolute star) don’t start to develop properly until their late 20’s. If I’m incorrect don’t hesitate to list the many anomalies.
You may be absolutely bang on with your long term opinion but give the guy a chance. Perhaps a loan away from the spotlight may be just the tonic he needs and benefit SCFC in the long term Butland Plus John Farmer. He played his first game for Stoke at 18 and 51 altogether in 1965-6 before we signed Gordon Banks. Then he played three seasons after Banks lost an eye in a car accident on the Westlands before we signed Peter Shilton. He was a good keeper at 18 and a very good keeper after spending six seasons in the reserves as the backup to Banks (only one sub in those days). Waddo signed Shilton because he was a big name but he was very inconsistent for Stoke. Many of us felt he should have stuck with Farmer and spent the money elsewhere.
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