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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2023 19:06:30 GMT
I now feel that refusing this excuse for a vaccine was the best decision I have made in my life despite the stress of being told that I (and my wife) would lose our jobs because of it and having that hanging over my family for 6 months up until the very last day before our proposed redundancies when we were both reprieved by Javid's abrupt u-turn. I totally resent those who made me feel like I was being selfish now. God knows how history will look back at that one. It's clear now that the vaccine programme was horribly flawed, that data was manipulated and that many of those in authority also knew that to be the case. I am not an anti-vaxxer by any stretches of the imagination (my wife is a senior nurse) and there was clearly a time when there was a need for vaccines for this for certain members of our population, but that need was not addressed responsibly and totally mismanaged. If it could even be described as a vaccine it would be a reasonable start. I'm very happy with my natural immunity on this one thanks. As someone who was dead against having the vax I’m disgusted with myself for being coerced into having it. Every day I regret having this shit put in me. Perhaps you, like myself required the jab before entering a foreign country for work? I work all over the world and my hands were tied. I deeply regret having THREE jabs but I couldn’t not do and that’s the part that makes me angry, I had no choice in the matter if I wanted to keep my job
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 1, 2023 19:28:59 GMT
As someone who was dead against having the vax I’m disgusted with myself for being coerced into having it. Every day I regret having this shit put in me. Perhaps you, like myself required the jab before entering a foreign country for work? I work all over the world and my hands were tied. I deeply regret having THREE jabs but I couldn’t not do and that’s the part that makes me angry, I had no choice in the matter if I wanted to keep my job Exact same for me but I’m glad I didn’t get my sons vaxxed despite considerable pressure, inconvenience and cost. Jabbing kids for this is madness
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2023 19:39:49 GMT
Perhaps you, like myself required the jab before entering a foreign country for work? I work all over the world and my hands were tied. I deeply regret having THREE jabs but I couldn’t not do and that’s the part that makes me angry, I had no choice in the matter if I wanted to keep my job Exact same for me but I’m glad I didn’t get my sons vaxxed despite considerable pressure, inconvenience and cost. Jabbing kids for this is madness My daughter was jabbed three times also, although I had now say in it. She was 14 at the time. Multiple medical problems later makes me question the reason. Coincidence? Possibly. Bad luck? Probably. But you can’t dismiss what the vaccine could be doing to kids. Who knows
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2023 20:06:12 GMT
I’d laugh if it wasn’t so serious, people trying to pin excess deaths on almost anything without even acknowledging that the jab MAY be a factor. I think people don’t want to acknowledge it because it’s potentially so serious and can’t be undone. If I could turn back the clock… You could easily replace the word jab with NHS in your paragraph too. I'm not denying or refusing to acknowledge vaccines and covid could both contribute too. I've got posts in the covid thread saying as much. Covid has been used as a convenient excuse for NHS failures by the tory government for the last few years but these problems run deeper and longer than that. What I do struggle more with are people sounding like a broken record over covid but then defending and turning a blind eye to all the other controversies of the very people who enabled covid in the UK. One minute covid is some nwo conspiracy. But the next minute the NHS being on its knees is down to "mismanagement" and nothing at all to do with the governing party of 13 years. How can one government lead us into the biggest scandal of a generation but at the same time be seen as trusrtowrhty, credible and believable in everything else they tell us? How can you think critically about one subject but then bury your head in the sand for all the other controversies in the world. And back to topic. Of course covid is going to contribute to excess deaths both directly and indirectly. But let's not try and pretend that other factors haven't also contributed. One being the destruction of our NHS by the Conservative party.
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Post by knype on Mar 1, 2023 20:08:15 GMT
I’d laugh if it wasn’t so serious, people trying to pin excess deaths on almost anything without even acknowledging that the jab MAY be a factor. I think people don’t want to acknowledge it because it’s potentially so serious and can’t be undone. If I could turn back the clock… You could easily replace the word jab with NHS in your paragraph too. I'm not denying or refusing to acknowledge vaccines and covid could both contribute too. I've got posts in the covid thread saying as much. Covid has been used as a convenient excuse for NHS failures by the tory government for the last few years but these problems run deeper and longer than that. What I do struggle more with are people sounding like a broken record over covid but then defending and turning a blind eye to all the other controversies of the very people who enabled covid in the UK. One minute covid is some nwo conspiracy. But the next minute the NHS being on its knees is down to "mismanagement" and nothing at all to do with the governing party of 13 years. How can one government lead us into the biggest scandal of a generation but at the same time be seen as trusrtowrhty, credible and believable in everything else they tell us? How can you think critically about one subject but then bury your head in the sand for all the other controversies in the world. And back to topic. Of course covid is going to contribute to excess deaths both directly and indirectly. But let's not try and pretend that other factors haven't also contributed. One being the destruction of our NHS by the Conservative party. Covid or the jab ?
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 1, 2023 22:48:20 GMT
I’d laugh if it wasn’t so serious, people trying to pin excess deaths on almost anything without even acknowledging that the jab MAY be a factor. I think people don’t want to acknowledge it because it’s potentially so serious and can’t be undone. If I could turn back the clock… You could easily replace the word jab with NHS in your paragraph too. I'm not denying or refusing to acknowledge vaccines and covid could both contribute too. I've got posts in the covid thread saying as much. Covid has been used as a convenient excuse for NHS failures by the tory government for the last few years but these problems run deeper and longer than that. What I do struggle more with are people sounding like a broken record over covid but then defending and turning a blind eye to all the other controversies of the very people who enabled covid in the UK. One minute covid is some nwo conspiracy. But the next minute the NHS being on its knees is down to "mismanagement" and nothing at all to do with the governing party of 13 years. How can one government lead us into the biggest scandal of a generation but at the same time be seen as trusrtowrhty, credible and believable in everything else they tell us? How can you think critically about one subject but then bury your head in the sand for all the other controversies in the world. And back to topic. Of course covid is going to contribute to excess deaths both directly and indirectly. But let's not try and pretend that other factors haven't also contributed. One being the destruction of our NHS by the Conservative party. The NHS issue doesn't account for the fact that these excess death rates are universal across Europe, Australia and North America, showing very similar percentages over a similar period and across all age ranges.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 1, 2023 23:20:49 GMT
I went to get my third last summer, just so I could go to Spain for a stag do. I explained to the pharmacist that I was otherwise healthy and in fact the only times I had been ill in many years was when I had my vaccines. He ticked me off and didn’t give me the jab. Make of that what you will.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 1, 2023 23:54:01 GMT
Exact same for me but I’m glad I didn’t get my sons vaxxed despite considerable pressure, inconvenience and cost. Jabbing kids for this is madness My daughter was jabbed three times also, although I had now say in it. She was 14 at the time. Multiple medical problems later makes me question the reason. Coincidence? Possibly. Bad luck? Probably. But you can’t dismiss what the vaccine could be doing to kids. Who knows Quite obviously I'm sorry your daughter has medical problems and I hope she makes a full recovery soon. If I were in your position I would question everything, even irrationally myself Fortunately my children, hardly kids, are not in any medical difficulty at present. Genuinely, do you have any reason to consider either from your own personal experience or other rational evidence the Vaccine itself was harmful? My own personal experience is apparently I come from a vulnerable group. I'm an old bastard. At first looking at scenes on TV coming from Italian Hospitals it scared the shit out of me. My lifestyle changed, permanently as it happens, I don't socialise as much, but it's a choice I made and I don't regret it. As soon as it was available I got my jabs, 4 in total. It came as almost a relief just before Christmas last I finally got the dreaded Covid God knows how. I felt like shit for a couple of days and after about 4 days actually felt like eating. My biggest problem was my wife and I were scheduled to stay with my Daughter at Christmas and she had recently had a new baby which I couldn't in conscious expose her to. In any event many Antigen Tests later all went well. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Covid and its implications was a very personal thing I do regret the 2/3 lost years of social and family isolation, but it would be foolish as some do to dismiss it as a conspiracy, people died. Whether the end justified the means is open to question
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Post by henry on Mar 2, 2023 7:22:56 GMT
As someone who was dead against having the vax I’m disgusted with myself for being coerced into having it. Every day I regret having this shit put in me. Perhaps you, like myself required the jab before entering a foreign country for work? I work all over the world and my hands were tied. I deeply regret having THREE jabs but I couldn’t not do and that’s the part that makes me angry, I had no choice in the matter if I wanted to keep my job No mate, i had the jabs purely to go on a big family holiday that kept getting postponed. Just shows what a slave I am to risk my own health and go against my gut feeling just to get away for a few days in the sun.
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Post by spitthedog on May 8, 2023 23:19:55 GMT
Excess Deaths remain alarming in the UK, in fact the death rate seems to be increasing.
A staggering 22% above the expected average atm and they have been over 15% higher consistently for the last 15 months compared to a 5 years previously.
Surely, at this rate, there should be some kind of Government enquiry. No interest in MSM either.
Very, very few of these deaths can be attributed to Covid. So what is it?
2,500 more deaths than there were in this month 5 years ago, and this is not a one-off.
This is not unique to UK. Other countries currently experiencing high death rates are Australia (+20%), Canada (17%) Germany (10%) Japan (25%) Italy (15%) at times New Zealand has been over 30% higher, Spain 40% higher than the average.
Countries not experiencing unusually high death rates are Romania, Poland, South Africa, Hungary, Serbia, Slovakia.
A lot more people dying than there should be!!!
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 9, 2023 1:05:12 GMT
What is different about the countries without the excess death rates, 🤔
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 9, 2023 1:07:05 GMT
As someone who was dead against having the vax I’m disgusted with myself for being coerced into having it. Every day I regret having this shit put in me. Perhaps you, like myself required the jab before entering a foreign country for work? I work all over the world and my hands were tied. I deeply regret having THREE jabs but I couldn’t not do and that’s the part that makes me angry, I had no choice in the matter if I wanted to keep my job Negative test also would have got you entry to other countries
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Post by cvillestokie on May 9, 2023 1:11:11 GMT
Excess Deaths remain alarming in the UK, in fact the death rate seems to be increasing. A staggering 22% above the expected average atm and they have been over 15% higher consistently for the last 15 months compared to a 5 years previously. Surely, at this rate, there should be some kind of Government enquiry. No interest in MSM either. Very, very few of these deaths can be attributed to Covid. So what is it? 2,500 more deaths than there were in this month 5 years ago, and this is not a one-off. This is not unique to UK. Other countries currently experiencing high death rates are Australia (+20%), Canada (17%) Germany (10%) Japan (25%) Italy (15%) at times New Zealand has been over 30% higher, Spain 40% higher than the average. Countries not experiencing unusually high death rates are Romania, Poland, South Africa, Hungary, Serbia, Slovakia. A lot more people dying than there should be!!! Perhaps the terrible economy and stress of living day to day may factor into it, if you are comparing now to 2018. amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/01/male-suicide-rate-england-wales-covid-19Perhaps long wait lists in the NHS, which is clearly associated with poorer health outcomes has also contributed? Edit: “There were about 2,200 additional deaths in England associated with A&E delays in December alone.” amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/15/britain-excess-death-rate-covid-nhs-cost-of-livingIs the Guardian not MSM enough?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 9, 2023 1:47:30 GMT
Excess Deaths remain alarming in the UK, in fact the death rate seems to be increasing. A staggering 22% above the expected average atm and they have been over 15% higher consistently for the last 15 months compared to a 5 years previously. Surely, at this rate, there should be some kind of Government enquiry. No interest in MSM either. Very, very few of these deaths can be attributed to Covid. So what is it? 2,500 more deaths than there were in this month 5 years ago, and this is not a one-off. This is not unique to UK. Other countries currently experiencing high death rates are Australia (+20%), Canada (17%) Germany (10%) Japan (25%) Italy (15%) at times New Zealand has been over 30% higher, Spain 40% higher than the average. Countries not experiencing unusually high death rates are Romania, Poland, South Africa, Hungary, Serbia, Slovakia. A lot more people dying than there should be!!! Perhaps the terrible economy and stress of living day to day may factor into it, if you are comparing now to 2018. amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/01/male-suicide-rate-england-wales-covid-19Perhaps long wait lists in the NHS, which is clearly associated with poorer health outcomes has also contributed? Edit: “There were about 2,200 additional deaths in England associated with A&E delays in December alone.” amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/15/britain-excess-death-rate-covid-nhs-cost-of-livingIs the Guardian not MSM enough? Can you think of anything else,,
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Post by cvillestokie on May 9, 2023 2:00:32 GMT
Can you think of anything else,, Well if there are “2,500 more deaths than there were in this month 5 years ago, and this is not a one-off” and delays in A&E can cause around 2,200 of them, I’d say that this would be the primary driver.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 9, 2023 4:42:35 GMT
Can you think of anything else,, Well if there are “2,500 more deaths than there were in this month 5 years ago, and this is not a one-off” and delays in A&E can cause around 2,200 of them, I’d say that this would be the primary driver. There has always been delays
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Post by cvillestokie on May 9, 2023 10:06:03 GMT
Well if there are “2,500 more deaths than there were in this month 5 years ago, and this is not a one-off” and delays in A&E can cause around 2,200 of them, I’d say that this would be the primary driver. There has always been delays There has been. That article was about how they’ve gotten much worse. You can ignore that the healthcare system has become significantly worse since Covid if you like, but I’d say it’s a big factor in determining health related outcomes.
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Post by bjarnig on May 9, 2023 10:37:15 GMT
It's obviously the jab that's killing people.
2 main causes
1- Died suddenly 2- Died after a short illness
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Post by starkiller on May 9, 2023 12:16:39 GMT
Excess Deaths remain alarming in the UK, in fact the death rate seems to be increasing. A staggering 22% above the expected average atm and they have been over 15% higher consistently for the last 15 months compared to a 5 years previously. Surely, at this rate, there should be some kind of Government enquiry. No interest in MSM either. Very, very few of these deaths can be attributed to Covid. So what is it? 2,500 more deaths than there were in this month 5 years ago, and this is not a one-off. This is not unique to UK. Other countries currently experiencing high death rates are Australia (+20%), Canada (17%) Germany (10%) Japan (25%) Italy (15%) at times New Zealand has been over 30% higher, Spain 40% higher than the average. Countries not experiencing unusually high death rates are Romania, Poland, South Africa, Hungary, Serbia, Slovakia. A lot more people dying than there should be!!! Perhaps the terrible economy and stress of living day to day may factor into it, if you are comparing now to 2018. amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/01/male-suicide-rate-england-wales-covid-19Perhaps long wait lists in the NHS, which is clearly associated with poorer health outcomes has also contributed? Edit: “There were about 2,200 additional deaths in England associated with A&E delays in December alone.” amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/15/britain-excess-death-rate-covid-nhs-cost-of-livingIs the Guardian not MSM enough? So the NHS features across the world now? Let's consider the correlation between most vaccinated countries and increase in death rates. Let's consider the correlation with the steady increase in death rates and the vaccine rollout. Now more excess deaths for over a year than during the 'pandemic'. Any reason why this isn't featured on every single news bulletin, with a death count ticker? In fact quite the opposite? The Guardian is funded by the Gates Foundation.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 9, 2023 12:35:33 GMT
So the NHS features across the world now? Let's consider the correlation between most vaccinated countries and increase in death rates. Let's consider the correlation with the steady increase in death rates and the vaccine rollout. Now more excess deaths for over a year than during the 'pandemic'. Any reason why this isn't featured on every single news bulletin, with a death count ticker? In fact quite the opposite? The Guardian is funded by the Gates Foundation. Not the Gates Foundation?! Not those scumbags trying to cure Malaria?! Many of the more vaccinated countries around the World likely kept shutting down their economy during Covid and have likely similar issues to our own. Food inflation is at a real high and people are struggling to make ends meet. I think a lot of these things have been reported fairly consistently.
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Post by starkiller on May 9, 2023 13:07:04 GMT
So the NHS features across the world now? Let's consider the correlation between most vaccinated countries and increase in death rates. Let's consider the correlation with the steady increase in death rates and the vaccine rollout. Now more excess deaths for over a year than during the 'pandemic'. Any reason why this isn't featured on every single news bulletin, with a death count ticker? In fact quite the opposite? The Guardian is funded by the Gates Foundation. Not the Gates Foundation?! Not those scumbags trying to cure Malaria?! Many of the more vaccinated countries around the World likely kept shutting down their economy during Covid and have likely similar issues to our own. Food inflation is at a real high and people are struggling to make ends meet. I think a lot of these things have been reported fairly consistently. It's the skirting around the issue that is telling. With every single other explanation under the sun except that which cannot be mentioned. The refusal to investigate the one major link between these countries and time period. A Pandemic of vested interests.
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Post by mtrstudent on May 9, 2023 14:05:04 GMT
Not the Gates Foundation?! Not those scumbags trying to cure Malaria?! Many of the more vaccinated countries around the World likely kept shutting down their economy during Covid and have likely similar issues to our own. Food inflation is at a real high and people are struggling to make ends meet. I think a lot of these things have been reported fairly consistently. It's the skirting around the issue that is telling. With every single other explanation under the sun except that which cannot be mentioned. The refusal to investigate the one major link between these countries and time period. A Pandemic of vested interests. Here's a study on "Risk of death following COVID-19 vaccination or positive SARS-CoV-2 test in young people in England".
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Post by mtrstudent on May 9, 2023 14:09:28 GMT
I've seen loads of YouTubers and bloggers blaming the vaccine but I just don't like to believe what I read on the internet without checking it. Even if lots of YouTubers are saying the same thing. The US reports excess deaths and vaccination rates for each state so I plotted them against each other for different times. Line goes up: positive correlation, line goes down: negative correlation. Correlation doesn't mean one thing causes the other.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 18, 2023 8:48:43 GMT
I've seen loads of YouTubers and bloggers blaming the vaccine but I just don't like to believe what I read on the internet without checking it. Even if lots of YouTubers are saying the same thing. The US reports excess deaths and vaccination rates for each state so I plotted them against each other for different times. Line goes up: positive correlation, line goes down: negative correlation. Correlation doesn't mean one thing causes the other. Those graphs are wrong, again. It is as simple as this, in countries where there with low jab rates there is no excess deaths
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