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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 3, 2022 20:32:26 GMT
Just get Alex Neil, Coates Senior and Bayern together over a pint once a fortnight.
Should work out.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 3, 2022 20:37:39 GMT
I agree with you that there should be no place for attacks behind the veil of anonymity. I think I have been unfairly anonymously attacked in this thread by at least 3 posters, including your comment that when someone says it isn't personal, as I did, it usually is. You know who I am because I only ever use my real name on social media, but I don't know who, for example, you, bertjones and crouchpotato are. Interesting point that you make here Malcolm. This whole message board is a place for attacks behind the veil of anonymity. You chose to put your name up front, and credit to you for that, however, being the intellectual man that you are, you knew you run the risk of getting (as you put it) personal attacks on this message board from behind anonymity.
I'm sure you will remember from other posters, the many attacks on Angela in the past, from behind this same veil of anonymity, which I hope you must have been disgusted by. I stand by what I say, (as I am entitled to my opinion, of which I'm sure you would agree that I am entitled to my opinion), that your opening post was a personal attack on Angela, and there seem to be many that agree. Perhaps it might be an idea that everyone's real name should be displayed on this message board, to enable an individual to post.
If you could be arsed to read the thread, many don't agree with you at all. If there's been any personal attacks on this thread, including from you, they've been on Malcolm for having the audacity to have legit and reasonable questions. For me, I think Ange should be in the Supporters Council meetings representing the Women's team so any Women's team questions can be put forward to her and she then has the opportunity to challenge Simon King/etc. Anyone who's a club employee shouldn't be up for election because it's an obvious conflict of interest.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 3, 2022 20:39:40 GMT
Jesus, at least TRY to disguise your ongoing disdain for particular people. It's tiring Indeed the attacks on Malcolm for raising a good point in a thorough and professional manner is pathetic.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 5, 2022 18:51:30 GMT
DCMS have announced that Karen Carney will lead the review of women's football to which I referred earlier in the thread, and that there will shortly be a call for evidence. The FSA has a working group preparing our evidence, which we will invite our affiliates to support. I assume that in her new role Angela will be centrally involved in preparing Stoke City's response. www.gov.uk/government/news/karen-carney-mbe-to-lead-major-review-of-womens-football
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Post by Scouse on Sept 15, 2022 17:07:35 GMT
From Twitter .. To be fair I don’t know any of the detail so posted for info only and without comment ..2nd tweet is to wish the council and the club well for the future
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 15, 2022 21:24:53 GMT
From Twitter .. To be fair I don’t know any of the detail so posted for info only and without comment ..2nd tweet is to wish the council and the club well for the future I saw that too, and wondered what "due to the club's interference in the composition of the council" meant? You do have to wonder sometimes just what goes on behind closed doors. Just like when the ladies manager Chloe Jones left, lots of between the lines could have been read.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2022 21:55:40 GMT
It’s got to be about club employees being on there because it is absolutely ridiculous.
But very interesting if it’s something else.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 15, 2022 22:12:28 GMT
'Stonewalled' on the one thing in traffic and parking that has caused more misery than the fucking football in this wretched stadium for the best part of the past 25 years.
Really does beg the question of why bother.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 15, 2022 23:16:50 GMT
It’s got to be about club employees being on there because it is absolutely ridiculous. But very interesting if it’s something else. Seems it is, how a certain individual has managed to manoeuvre themselves in to such influential positions is a mystery to me. I’m close to starting a campaign to get her removed from doing pressers and interviews, although after todays “effort” I’m not sure of she’ll be lasting much longer. Alex Neil looked suitably perplexed at the drivel coming from her gob.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 15, 2022 23:39:28 GMT
We should thank all the candidates who stood in the recent Supporters Council election for putting themselves forward, whether or not they were successful. I know from my own experience, and, much more importantly, from that of FSA colleagues and affiliates up and down the country, that fans representative roles can be time-consuming and often under-appreciated. In recent years I (and others) have raised the question of why the Club doesn't publish the Council election voting figures. I couldn't think of another organisation whose members elect representatives which doesn't publish the results to the electorate, or a good reason why that shouldn't be done. It comes up every year not only because there is an election every year, but also because the Club has changed its practice both last year and this year, and it is appropriate to assess that. Until last year the Club didn't publish any figures. The reason given by the Chair of the Supporters Council was that publication of a very low number of votes for some candidates could deter them and others from standing. Whilst I appreciated the personal sensitivity of this argument, I don't think it trumps the requirement for good electoral practice and transparency. Last year the Club changed its practice and published the % of the total votes cast obtained by each of the successful candidates, but no actual figures. This year they published those %ages for all the candidates including the unsuccessful ones, so the above argument about candidates who didn't score well has been abandoned. This is a welcome advance but we are still not told the much more important information of how many votes were actually cast in total, and what the turnout was, i.e what proportion of supporters eligible to vote actually did so. It is essential to know this in order to assess the effectiveness of the Club's current approach to supporter engagement, and how important fans think the Council is. I fear, but would be very happy to be proved wrong, that the turnout % was very low. I was surprised that, as far as I could see, there was no promotion of the election over the tannoy, big screen or match programme at the recent home games against M'Boro and Sunderland. I can see no good reason why the Club shouldn't publicise the total number of votes cast and the turnout. One of the successful candidates, Angela (Smith), announced in her election statement that she has been appointed as General Manager of the Club's women's team. I wish her every success in that important role. As we know, women's football is enjoying a huge upturn in interest at the moment, which is great. It would be good to see that reflected at our club as well, and I'm sure that Angela will be working hard to achieve that. On the supporter side, in the FSA we now have a vibrant women's game supporter network at national level, and women's game supporter groups are being established at many clubs. Hopefully this will happen at Stoke. From reading the minutes, Women's game supporters issues have not so far featured heavily, if at all, in the work of the Supporters Council. That of course could change with the new levels of interest in the women's game. But when it does, it raises a self-evident issue of conflict of interest if the General Manager of the Club's women's team, who one would expect to respond to any such issues on behalf of the Club, is already sitting on the supporters' side of the table. Also, the Government has promised a review of the women's game, as recommended to them by Tracey Crouch in her fan-led review of football. The Club will no doubt submit evidence to that, and the Women's Game GM will presumably play a central role in formulating that. But suppose the supporters and the Supporters Council disagreed with the Club on how the women's game should develop (there are some quite controversial issues involved), but the GM is also one of the fans' reps ? I am not aware of any other Club where a club official is part of the supporters' side on a supporter engagement body, for obvious reasons. I don't think it's just a question of women's game issues being discussed. If you are a Club official but (very unusually) also representing fans on the engagement body, with the Club Chairman and Chief Operating Officer (your bosses) sitting on the other side of the table, it's only human nature that this might affect the way you fulfill your role, or at least be perceived by others to do so. I think this also applies to journalistic and media roles, which involve maintaining a working relationship with the Club and its officials, on both the playing and non-playing sides, and access to games via a media pass. I think fans reps. on supporter engagement bodies really should not have any formal relationship with the Club other than being an ordinary fan and having the same matchday experience as all the other fans. A perfectly legitimate response to these points might be that Angela declared her new Club role in her statement, that she came top of the poll and therefore the voters must be quite happy with the situation. I accept that, although I would guess that because she is already well-known, many voters either didn't feel they needed to read the statement, or if they did, perhaps didn't appreciate the possible conflict of interest implications. And, as stated above, we have not been told how many fans actually voted. It goes without saying that none of this is personal to Angela as an individual or any other Council member. They are really matters which the Club needs to address, as it is the process by which it meets its supporter engagement obligations under EFL rules. And I think it is quite likely that the new post-Crouch regulatory regime (assuming the new CMS Secretary of State doesn't abandon the whole thing ! ) will outlaw Club officials being able to represent fans on official fan-engagement bodies. I agree with everything you’ve said here Malcolm. The whole thing stinks in all honesty.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 15, 2022 23:48:17 GMT
She should absolutely resign. I don’t know how it’s even a debate 😂😂 And give up the media duties too. It’s so obvious that only her friends or fellow rimmers don’t see it. All this she puts the clubs and fans first is bollocks too. She’s wormed her way on to the council, took advantage of covid to work her way on to the radio and subsequently the pressers and now womens general manager. All for the good of the club and fellow supporters and not at all self serving 😂😂 get to fuck.
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2022 6:45:10 GMT
She should absolutely resign. I don’t know how it’s even a debate 😂😂 And give up the media duties too. It’s so obvious that only her friends or fellow rimmers don’t see it. All this she puts the clubs and fans first is bollocks too. She’s wormed her way on to the council, took advantage of covid to work her way on to the radio and subsequently the pressers and now womens general manager. All for the good of the club and fellow supporters and not at all self serving 😂😂 get to fuck. What a load of bollocks I've never met the woman Can only say how I find her on the radio She's absolutely fine, clearly loves football and Stoke City Her questions are good, certainly better than some of the professional journalists
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 16, 2022 7:03:53 GMT
And give up the media duties too. It’s so obvious that only her friends or fellow rimmers don’t see it. All this she puts the clubs and fans first is bollocks too. She’s wormed her way on to the council, took advantage of covid to work her way on to the radio and subsequently the pressers and now womens general manager. All for the good of the club and fellow supporters and not at all self serving 😂😂 get to fuck. What a load of bollocks I've never met the woman Can only say how I find her on the radio She's absolutely fine, clearly loves football and Stoke City Her questions are good, certainly better than some of the professional journalists I don't know a single person who thinks she's good in the pressers. This week's was one of the worst I've ever seen.
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Post by bingbang on Sept 16, 2022 7:06:57 GMT
I just don't see her as a true representation of stoke fans across the board. How many times has she been in battle.
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Post by dave1 on Sept 16, 2022 7:15:27 GMT
I'm looking forward the next couple if posts on this thread. Certain rimmers are going to show their faces!!!!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Sept 16, 2022 7:20:33 GMT
And give up the media duties too. It’s so obvious that only her friends or fellow rimmers don’t see it. All this she puts the clubs and fans first is bollocks too. She’s wormed her way on to the council, took advantage of covid to work her way on to the radio and subsequently the pressers and now womens general manager. All for the good of the club and fellow supporters and not at all self serving 😂😂 get to fuck. What a load of bollocks I've never met the woman Can only say how I find her on the radio She's absolutely fine, clearly loves football and Stoke City Her questions are good, certainly better than some of the professional journalists Others can speak for themselves, but as the person who started this discussion, I will just confirm that I wouldn't for a millisecond question Angela's love of football or Stoke City. Individual listeners make their own judgements about her skills as a football journalist, as they do with any journalist. The issues I raised about the Supporters Council are not to do with any of that. They are about two principles of good governance - transparency and the need to avoid real or perceived conflicts of interest.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2022 7:22:45 GMT
She should absolutely resign. I don’t know how it’s even a debate 😂😂 And give up the media duties too. It’s so obvious that only her friends or fellow rimmers don’t see it. All this she puts the clubs and fans first is bollocks too. She’s wormed her way on to the council, took advantage of covid to work her way on to the radio and subsequently the pressers and now womens general manager. All for the good of the club and fellow supporters and not at all self serving 😂😂 get to fuck. Absolutely disgraceful post
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 16, 2022 7:25:26 GMT
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 16, 2022 7:28:01 GMT
It’s got to be about club employees being on there because it is absolutely ridiculous. But very interesting if it’s something else. Seems it is, how a certain individual has managed to manoeuvre themselves in to such influential positions is a mystery to me. I’m close to starting a campaign to get her removed from doing pressers and interviews, although after todays “effort” I’m not sure of she’ll be lasting much longer. Alex Neil looked suitably perplexed at the drivel coming from her gob. A campaign? Really? You wonder how does always on the council? Perhaps fans see how she holds the club to account and vote accordingly? You don't like her, I do. That's fine. But to say you'll start a campaign against a person who has worked umpteen hours progressing this club and its supporters? Really? If she goes she won't be replaced. Others won't do what she does or say what she says.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2022 7:29:59 GMT
What a load of bollocks I've never met the woman Can only say how I find her on the radio She's absolutely fine, clearly loves football and Stoke City Her questions are good, certainly better than some of the professional journalists Others can speak for themselves, but as the person who started this discussion, I will just confirm that I wouldn't for a millisecond question Angela's love of football or Stoke City. Individual listeners make their own judgements about her skills as a football journalist, as they do with any journalist. The issues I raised about the Supporters Council are not to do with any of that. They are about two principles of good governance - transparency and the need to avoid real or perceived conflicts of interest. No but your personal vendetta against her since she ousted yourself as chair will always raise its ugly head in these threads along with your band of merry men.You’ll always deny it with your little bits of praise now and again but sadly most can see through it Malcolm
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 16, 2022 7:30:29 GMT
People with personal relationships are never going to be able to discuss this objectively.
They surely deep down can see the conflict of interest but won't admit it for personal reasons.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 16, 2022 7:39:22 GMT
Seems it is, how a certain individual has managed to manoeuvre themselves in to such influential positions is a mystery to me. I’m close to starting a campaign to get her removed from doing pressers and interviews, although after todays “effort” I’m not sure of she’ll be lasting much longer. Alex Neil looked suitably perplexed at the drivel coming from her gob. A campaign? Really? You wonder how does always on the council? Perhaps fans see how she holds the club to account and vote accordingly? You don't like her, I do. That's fine. But to say you'll start a campaign against a person who has worked umpteen hours progressing this club and its supporters? Really? If she goes she won't be replaced. Others won't do what she does or say what she says. How many people vote for the council and what demographic of Stoke fans are voting? It's not in any way shape or form an accurate reflection of stoke fans because the vast majority probably don't even know the vote is taking place, or who they'd be voting for. So much so that certain people probably get re-elected each time because they have a core support that's enough. Should every season ticket holder be forced to vote, then I have no doubt at all we'd see a different outcome, especially now the general manager role has come to light. Like I said above, people with personal relationships won't be able to discuss objectively. The issues for me are there is a clear conflict of interest when the general manager of the women's team is sitting on the fans council, how can you represent the fans fully when you are a paid employee. You can't, that's a fact. As for the media duties, I see the same complaints week in, week out on twitter, in whatsapp groups etc. She's not the only one, I think they're all crap and need replacing. I don't doubt she's a lovely woman to know but that doesn't make my two points above any less valid.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 16, 2022 7:44:40 GMT
People with personal relationships are never going to be able to discuss this objectively. They surely deep down can see the conflict of interest but won't admit it for personal reasons. She literally disclosed it on the pre ejection info and yet still won more votes than anyone else. And such a personal relationship that I didn't vote as I know virtually everyone who stood. Your attacks are pretty personal on a person I like. Took advantage of covid? Proof please. And ask yourself why she is now Women's General Manager after what we've read about Chloe Jones. I hope she does leave the council and the media purely because I don't like seeing a good, honest person getting grief and abuse they simply dont deserve. Her life would be far easier if she had no ties with SCFC. One thing she isn't is a sycophant. One thing she's not is someone in it for themselves. One thing she is is a bloody top Stokie. I'm off this thread now and I hope Angela isn't on the council any more for her sake, which will be a sad day for Stoke fans imho. Stoke City needs people like her but doesn't deserve them at times.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 16, 2022 7:55:09 GMT
A campaign? Really? You wonder how does always on the council? Perhaps fans see how she holds the club to account and vote accordingly? You don't like her, I do. That's fine. But to say you'll start a campaign against a person who has worked umpteen hours progressing this club and its supporters? Really? If she goes she won't be replaced. Others won't do what she does or say what she says. How many people vote for the council and what demographic of Stoke fans are voting? It's not in any way shape or form an accurate reflection of stoke fans because the vast majority probably don't even know the vote is taking place, or who they'd be voting for. So much so that certain people probably get re-elected each time because they have a core support that's enough. Should every season ticket holder be forced to vote, then I have no doubt at all we'd see a different outcome, especially now the general manager role has come to light. Like I said above, people with personal relationships won't be able to discuss objectively. The issues for me are there is a clear conflict of interest when the general manager of the women's team is sitting on the fans council, how can you represent the fans fully when you are a paid employee. You can't, that's a fact. As for the media duties, I see the same complaints week in, week out on twitter, in whatsapp groups etc. She's not the only one, I think they're all crap and need replacing. I don't doubt she's a lovely woman to know but that doesn't make my two points above any less valid. Last one....every single season ticket holder would have known about the electoon; every one of their 1 million twitter followers etc. Like the general election....its not perfect but you can only win what's in front of you. I find it strange how paid staff have been on the council in the past by all accounts and yet its only now it gets flagged? I respect your opinion on her journalism. It's subjective. As a kind of wannabe journalist myself I think she's the best after match questioner by a mile.
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Post by werrington on Sept 16, 2022 7:56:34 GMT
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again
I’ve got no real interest in it so never criticise it or have any issue with ANYBODY who gives up their own time with no pay for any cause
What pisses me off is those who criticise but do nothing about it themselves
If you feel so strongly about it there’s elections every single year so put your names forward and change the world
Until that point don’t be so fucking hateful or hurtful
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Post by iamstokie on Sept 16, 2022 8:23:15 GMT
I don’t know Ange , and also think the council is a waste of time , but if she’s employed by the club she shouldn’t be on it representing the fans it’s a massive conflict of interest, as her media role she need improve her questions as she answers them herself
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2022 8:40:04 GMT
Others can speak for themselves, but as the person who started this discussion, I will just confirm that I wouldn't for a millisecond question Angela's love of football or Stoke City. Individual listeners make their own judgements about her skills as a football journalist, as they do with any journalist. The issues I raised about the Supporters Council are not to do with any of that. They are about two principles of good governance - transparency and the need to avoid real or perceived conflicts of interest. No but your personal vendetta against her since she ousted yourself as chair will always raise its ugly head in these threads along with your band of merry men.You’ll always deny it with your little bits of praise now and again but sadly most can see through it Malcolm What crap.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2022 8:42:15 GMT
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again I’ve got no real interest in it so never criticise it or have any issue with ANYBODY who gives up their own time with no pay for any cause What pisses me off is those who criticise but do nothing about it themselves If you feel so strongly about it there’s elections every single year so put your names forward and change the world Until that point don’t be so fucking hateful or hurtful It’s neither. It’s holding a public figure to account. I can’t believe the club allow employees on to the council. It absolutely stinks. Whoever it is. And the fact that it’s come to light that there’s more than one because of this thread is alarming: The sneering too of the people that know who they are but won’t say who sums up the council and the proponents of it. It stinks to high heaven.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2022 8:44:12 GMT
How many people vote for the council and what demographic of Stoke fans are voting? It's not in any way shape or form an accurate reflection of stoke fans because the vast majority probably don't even know the vote is taking place, or who they'd be voting for. So much so that certain people probably get re-elected each time because they have a core support that's enough. Should every season ticket holder be forced to vote, then I have no doubt at all we'd see a different outcome, especially now the general manager role has come to light. Like I said above, people with personal relationships won't be able to discuss objectively. The issues for me are there is a clear conflict of interest when the general manager of the women's team is sitting on the fans council, how can you represent the fans fully when you are a paid employee. You can't, that's a fact. As for the media duties, I see the same complaints week in, week out on twitter, in whatsapp groups etc. She's not the only one, I think they're all crap and need replacing. I don't doubt she's a lovely woman to know but that doesn't make my two points above any less valid. Last one....every single season ticket holder would have known about the electoon; every one of their 1 million twitter followers etc. Like the general election....its not perfect but you can only win what's in front of you. I find it strange how paid staff have been on the council in the past by all accounts and yet its only now it gets flagged? I respect your opinion on her journalism. It's subjective. As a kind of wannabe journalist myself I think she's the best after match questioner by a mile. Because it was never mentioned. How are we meant to know who works at the club? Unless its declared its not something you’re going to know. Like many others I just presumed such an obvious conflict of interest wouldn’t be allowed.
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Post by Ron on Sept 16, 2022 8:44:46 GMT
It seems to me the supporters council is a “click” and I would hazard a guess those who sit probably all know eachother anyway. I fear the council is filled full of yes people who would t dare say a bad thing about the club.
The supporter experience, despite some talk of token gestures lately like the Delilah’s refurb ( which looks like it’ll be good tbf) the rest of the match day experience stinks.
Kudos to the guy who’s stood down after having made the effort to try and resolve the traffic / park in g issues.
I must say- for the time this “ council” has been in place the experience of supporters has not improved.
The whole match day experience ( as discussed on many a thread) is a chore , especially when the football is as abject as it has been.
Sadly-it seems to me the council is a fan engagement box ticker and those on the council are probably not representitive of the whole fan base and made up of home and away “ super fans” who’s kudos is measured by how many away games they go to.
So many problems with the experience for all fans, from three arrival to the ground, the outdated facilities in and around the stadium , the lack of effort to create an atmosphere, poor policing in the ground of dickheads… the list could go on.
Furthermore- the clubs fan communication is poor, the clubs media output is poor.
I understand there may have been issues with the streams for fans abroad.
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