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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 25, 2022 16:06:49 GMT
Poor Lambert gets some stick on here He had a thankless task, He was absolute shite. With him in charge we had less points per game that we did that year with Hughes, and in fact we would have stayed up if Hughes had maintained his average. We went from shite to complete shite with that clown in charge, I can’t stand the bloke, an absolute fraud and a big part of the reason we are where we are.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 25, 2022 16:08:44 GMT
Have you got memory loss? I think I do have memory loss but it's probably down to all the alcohol I've consumed over the past 30 years. It's got nothing to do with my previous post though, O'Neill was a safe pair of hands for them and I very much doubt they'd make the same mistake as when they fired Hughes. Or Rowett Or Jones
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 25, 2022 16:13:35 GMT
Not sure where the talk of Alex Neil & Chris Wilder is coming from on here. Neither are in the betting lists. Mark Robins at 9/1 on Sky Bet if you fancy a flutter. I’d guess either him or Barton. I wouldn’t have neil if he paid us So don’t get bricking it
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Post by gawa on Aug 25, 2022 16:28:38 GMT
Or it's just coincidental? I thought with FFP we'd have to get a cheaper manager. And the manager top of league one would be one of the better options. Who do you suggest Mr open mind? I’m English and I’m not bothered about him being English Unlike you I’m not biased towards my country You can keep supporting crusaders now Last I heard Alan Curbishley, Mark Warburton and Michael Carrick weren't Northern Irish. Learn something new every day.
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Post by mano00001 on Aug 25, 2022 16:30:40 GMT
Nixon saying we have no one lined up is very worrying. Surely if they sacked him today after Micheal training the team all week, they would have a replacement lined up? What the hell does he know, John Coates is not going to ring him up and say we have no one lined up, journos haven’t got a clue He has often got a lot right
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Aug 25, 2022 16:31:39 GMT
Poor Lambert gets some stick on here He had a thankless task, He was absolute shite. With him in charge we had less points per game that we did that year with Hughes, and in fact we would have stayed up if Hughes had maintained his average. We went from shite to complete shite with that clown in charge, I can’t stand the bloke, an absolute fraud and a big part of the reason we are where we are. But he used to say hello to the tea ladies!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 25, 2022 16:35:02 GMT
Possibly. Equally, would be gutting if we rushed to appoint, say, Hughton now and then over the next two weeks Wilder and Smith got sacked. You can never know that though. The “wait and see” approach is constantly hammered on here. The alternative is just to idle and hope that Holden does a job. It very much depends on the context though doesn't it? I'm not necessarily saying 'wait to see if someone decent gets sacked', but if we don't have anyone lined up, I'd rather we thought about it and came up with a good shortlist than rushed to the merry go round to see who's there.
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 25, 2022 17:03:55 GMT
What was it that so impressed you about him, out of interest? You've been unwavering over the years. I’ve never said he impressed me specifically although I like him as a bloke, it’s more around our circumstances as a whole and taking a view that we’re better off with him than without him. People want to dismiss the injury situation but he’s had rotten luck in that respect and there’s been several occasions where I felt we were nearly there in terms of gaining the consistency we needed to push on. Good luck to the guy and let’s see how he gets on at his next job, my gut feeling is he won’t be unemployed for long……. My guess is he will be back at Brechin Total clueless manager. Injury’s are a excuse
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 25, 2022 17:05:20 GMT
I’ve never said he impressed me specifically although I like him as a bloke, it’s more around our circumstances as a whole and taking a view that we’re better off with him than without him. People want to dismiss the injury situation but he’s had rotten luck in that respect and there’s been several occasions where I felt we were nearly there in terms of gaining the consistency we needed to push on. Good luck to the guy and let’s see how he gets on at his next job, my gut feeling is he won’t be unemployed for long……. My guess is he will be back at Brechin Total clueless manager. Injury’s are a excuse I think you’re talking absolute shit but time will tell I guess….
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 25, 2022 17:06:52 GMT
My guess is he will be back at Brechin Total clueless manager. Injury’s are a excuse I think you’re talking absolute shit but time will tell I guess…. Funny that’s what I think you talk but wasn’t wanting to insult
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2022 17:10:38 GMT
I’ve never said he impressed me specifically although I like him as a bloke, it’s more around our circumstances as a whole and taking a view that we’re better off with him than without him. People want to dismiss the injury situation but he’s had rotten luck in that respect and there’s been several occasions where I felt we were nearly there in terms of gaining the consistency we needed to push on. Good luck to the guy and let’s see how he gets on at his next job, my gut feeling is he won’t be unemployed for long……. Is it all rotten luck though? He brought back Powell too soon. Now he’s dead again. He ran Tymon into the ground, now he can’t walk. Some of the decisions that he has made have been…interesting. I think to be fair , MON would only have been advised on fitness . I think harsh there. He's left us in so much better shape on and off the pitch and a whole season ahead for someone else now. Things could have been so much worse after the mess Ned Flanders left us in.
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Aug 25, 2022 17:15:42 GMT
As good as a stoke 5-0 win whoopee
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 25, 2022 17:24:26 GMT
Had to happen Too late mind you we would have had a good choice at the end of last season when he should have gone.
The board need to take time to appoint next manager as we have to get it right this time.
Wish O’Neil the best but was on the cards
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2022 17:25:26 GMT
Alex Neil now the favourite according to Sentinel.
Can't see it happening to be honest. Worked absolute wonders at Sunderland to be fair to him
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 25, 2022 17:28:02 GMT
Alex Neil now the favourite according to Sentinel. Can't see it happening to be honest. Worked absolute wonders at Sunderland to be fair to him Plays shite football though!
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Post by thevoid on Aug 25, 2022 17:28:37 GMT
Alex Neil now the favourite according to Sentinel. Can't see it happening to be honest. Worked absolute wonders at Sunderland to be fair to him The Sentinhell? Are you sure the headline isn't 'Angry Alex Livid After Waiting Three Hours for Cold Pizza'?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2022 17:39:27 GMT
Alex Neil now the favourite according to Sentinel. Can't see it happening to be honest. Worked absolute wonders at Sunderland to be fair to him Plays shite football though! Don't care. Aslong as it got results. Pulis played shocking football but it worked. Watched Sunderland away to Sheff Utd the other week and they were very very good
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 25, 2022 17:41:58 GMT
Similiar to wilder, why woukd Neil leave Sunderland for us? Hes onto something good up there and they are a big club
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Post by iamstokie on Aug 25, 2022 17:43:40 GMT
As anyone checked on theonlooker, could be hanging from a tree somewhere 🤔😁😂
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Post by jzime on Aug 25, 2022 17:47:14 GMT
I am not sad he's gone, in fact I am actively glad he has gone. But nobody can seriously dispute that the timing is bizarre.
If the board were looking at the poor results end of last season and thinking "we'll give him half a dozen games next season", that might be demonstrative of their patience and willingness to err on the side of caution, but in modern football it is patently absurd. To give a manager a whole summer to oversee incomings and outgoings, to sign players to specifically suit the system he wants to play, let him max out the number of loanees we're allowed, to let him leave the club without a proper out-and-out right-back, but then to sack him seven days before transfer deadline just makes no strategic sense whatsoever.
He should have gone in the May and the new manager should have been given to the last three months to shape the kind of squad he wanted. I'm glad the board have finally seen that MoN was never going to get himself out of the rut he had found himself in, but you can't help but feel the board don't have any clear direction anymore. We just stumble from crisis to crisis.
Failing to properly replace Arnie and spending almost all of his transfer fee on Wimmer. Taking too long to sack Hughes, missing out on their first-choice candidate to replace him and ending up with a bargain bin manager to oversee our relegation. Letting Rowett sign £50m on dross under some mistake presumption that by going back to some British-based hard-grafting squad was the key to re-founding our identity and walking the league (literally one year after Wolves walked the league with a group of talented continental footballers lol). Letting Jones continue that reckless spending when and digging ourselves into a huge FFP hole. Taking too long to sack Jones, only being forced into a decision when we were in the relegation zone.
It really feels like the board have been asleep at the wheel for six years now. They don't have any clear vision of what they want to be; a vision that they should be using to inform who they hire, and a vision they should be cascading down to a director of football style figure to set the tone of the day-to-day business at the club.
I'm glad MoN has gone. But the board have to get the next decision right. If they get it wrong again, it will be long overdue that fans start raising real criticisms of them as well as just the series of managers that they hire.
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Post by dastokie on Aug 25, 2022 17:47:33 GMT
Super Johnie Eustace from the blues history to repeat itself Lou Macari
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 25, 2022 17:47:38 GMT
Alex Neil now the favourite according to Sentinel. Can't see it happening to be honest. Worked absolute wonders at Sunderland to be fair to him Plays shite football though! British, and shite football? "Alarm bells are ringing Willie!"
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Post by gawa on Aug 25, 2022 17:48:17 GMT
Similiar to wilder, why woukd Neil leave Sunderland for us? Hes onto something good up there and they are a big club O'Neill is a good example why. Leave early and he can go with a strong legacy and a good record which puts him in good stead for the future. Stay too long and you risk a few injuries and being pulled into a relegation fight. And suddenly your spell may not look as good as it first did. We've got a better squad than Sunderland in my opinion. Maybe he thinks he can have more success with us in the short to medium term than Sunderland.
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 25, 2022 17:56:43 GMT
As anyone checked on theonlooker, could be hanging from a tree somewhere 🤔😁😂 You know March and crew are dusting out their pitch side baseball caps now. Go on son! 😂
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Post by canadianmoose on Aug 25, 2022 18:01:15 GMT
Similiar to wilder, why woukd Neil leave Sunderland for us? Hes onto something good up there and they are a big club O'Neill is a good example why. Leave early and he can go with a strong legacy and a good record which puts him in good stead for the future. Stay too long and you risk a few injuries and being pulled into a relegation fight. And suddenly your spell may not look as good as it first did. We've got a better squad than Sunderland in my opinion. Maybe he thinks he can have more success with us in the short to medium term than Sunderland. This is nonsense. Injuries or no injuries, the football has been absolute dross for over 18 months. We DO have a better squad than Sunderland. We just need some proper management, coaching and tactical flexibility to get more out of them.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 25, 2022 18:05:05 GMT
Poor Lambert gets some stick on here He had a thankless task, He was absolute shite. With him in charge we had less points per game that we did that year with Hughes, and in fact we would have stayed up if Hughes had maintained his average. We went from shite to complete shite with that clown in charge, I can’t stand the bloke, an absolute fraud and a big part of the reason we are where we are. That's just not true - Hughes and Lambert had the same PPG, only Hughes had a massively inferior goal difference. We actually looked competitive again under Lambert. I think Lambert would've done a better job than Rowett.
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Post by gawa on Aug 25, 2022 18:06:33 GMT
O'Neill is a good example why. Leave early and he can go with a strong legacy and a good record which puts him in good stead for the future. Stay too long and you risk a few injuries and being pulled into a relegation fight. And suddenly your spell may not look as good as it first did. We've got a better squad than Sunderland in my opinion. Maybe he thinks he can have more success with us in the short to medium term than Sunderland. This is nonsense. Injuries or no injuries, the football has been absolute dross for over 18 months. We DO have a better squad than Sunderland. We just need some proper management, coaching and tactical flexibility to get more out of them. I'm talking about Alex Neil. That Sunderland squad is only a few injuries away from being in a relegation scrap. On xG they should have lost every game so far but they're actually unbeaten. A Ross Stewart injury and a few bad results and they could get sucked into a fight later in the season. Michael's downfall is due to multiple things.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 25, 2022 18:09:11 GMT
Poor Lambert gets some stick on here He had a thankless task, He gets stick because even a bloke from the Romanian 4th division could’ve kept that lot up. Instead what we got was give the ball to Shaq and periodic shouts of ‘TYRESE! TYRESE! GOARN TYRESE!’ In short, he was fucking useless and his appointment was one of the worst things I’ve ever had the displeasure of witnessing at Stoke. And then some maniacs even wanted him to stay when we went down. Absolutely suicidal.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 25, 2022 18:10:36 GMT
Don't go rushing into things - we can stand an interim for few weeks - can't do any worse than o'Neill - we need a modern thinking, preferably foreign coach - no more fucking dinasours, poor ex-players or nut-jobs with pertenshul Always makes me laugh when people say we need a foreign coach. As if some bloke named Toni Mobrini would have to be a better manager than Tony Mowbray just because he's foreign. (P.S Just an example, I wouldn't want Mowbray as manager) Always makes me laugh that we keep employing shit domestic managers and folk like you want more of the same…..
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 25, 2022 18:32:02 GMT
Always makes me laugh when people say we need a foreign coach. As if some bloke named Toni Mobrini would have to be a better manager than Tony Mowbray just because he's foreign. (P.S Just an example, I wouldn't want Mowbray as manager) Always makes me laugh that we keep employing shit domestic managers and folk like you want more of the same….. There are limitations on recruiting from Europe now for a team like Stoke after Brexit. Under rules agreed prior to Britain leaving the European Union in January 2020, coaches recruited from the continent must receive a Governing Body Endorsement through the FA, in order to confirm they are of ‘the highest calibre and able to contribute significantly to the development of the game at the top level in England’. To qualify for a GBE, potential managers have to meet specific criteria, which includes a total of 36 months first-team management in a major league within the previous five years, or 24 months consecutively in post.
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