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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 11, 2022 9:34:45 GMT
Didn’t really hear too much said about this, MON didn’t have too much to say but reading his comments he has a soft spot for him and is happy with his performance on Tuesday.
Needs must I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 9:42:51 GMT
Where's McCarron? Can't find any reports of an injury.
Is he the new Doughty?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 11, 2022 9:44:37 GMT
Where's McCarron? Can't find any reports of an injury. Is he the new Doughty? He was injured according to Holden.....
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 11, 2022 9:44:58 GMT
MON was happy with everyone's performance by the look of it so I'd take that with a massive pinch of salt given the result.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2022 9:46:40 GMT
He thinks Sparrow can play on the right.
It's getting very tedious.
Use proper wing backs, even as back up or bin it.
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 11, 2022 9:50:05 GMT
He was crap. Didn’t put a decent cross in all night despite being given the ball repeatedly in good areas to do so.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 11, 2022 9:50:15 GMT
He thinks Sparrow can play on the right. It's getting very tedious. Use proper wing backs, even as back up or bin it. Play it, if you have to, using Tymon and Clarke. It worked on Saturday, but won't work every game (same as any other formation, in fairness). If either are injured, you switch to a back 4 and work on that as your back up. It also makes it harder for the opposition to plan how to play against you.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 11, 2022 9:52:14 GMT
Personally, I think that they should move Thompson on, if his role is to become a poor man’s Danny Pugh.
He should be challenging for central midfield. If he can’t, he should be gone.
If a left wing back is injured, let’s not play a system that doesn’t have the players for it then. The league cup was a far better time to risk a change in formation than to risk throwing in a player who isn’t suited in the role anyways.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2022 9:54:26 GMT
He thinks Sparrow can play on the right. It's getting very tedious. Use proper wing backs, even as back up or bin it. Play it, if you have to, using Tymon and Clarke. It worked on Saturday, but won't work every game (same as any other formation, in fairness). If either are injured, you switch to a back 4 and work on that as your back up. It also makes it harder for the opposition to plan how to play against you. The right back position is a concern and he's really fucked it tbh. Clarke Sparrow Duhaney So bar using Clarke all the time, there's nothing really that can be done. Forrester is a good right back in a back 4 but even that option has gone now.
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Post by Goonie on Aug 11, 2022 10:03:32 GMT
I think it highlights a poor recruitment policy to fit a very specific formation for what are the essential ingredients
🥚🥚🥚🥚🥚 In one 🗑️
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Post by robrigo on Aug 11, 2022 10:04:56 GMT
The wing back positions are an absolute mess. Kind of ridiculous when he’s hell bent on playing that system.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 10:09:53 GMT
We need at least one more wingback in and ideally one who can play either side and I think/hope O'Neill knows this but needs to get rid of Fox and/or Duhaney before he is allowed to.
He can't keep stockpiling players for these positions even if most aren't fit for purpose.
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Post by upthefud on Aug 11, 2022 10:20:13 GMT
He was crap. Didn’t put a decent cross in all night despite being given the ball repeatedly in good areas to do so. I’d second this, I quite like Thompson but at WB Morecambe were inviting him to get the ball every time, knowing either his delivery would be toss or he’d take an age to make a decision. I thought he was our weakest link
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Post by lordb on Aug 11, 2022 10:21:37 GMT
Thompson & Sparrow just are not wing backs
as Tymon & Mcarron injured he simply had to go with a flat back 4 with Fox at LB
Poor from the manager being very generous could argue he was having a look just to see if they could make it work well he's seen now if he does this again then that's flat out unacceptable
He's talked many times about having the ability to play with more than one system & he's often switched systems, simply don't see the need to persist with a system when the players you need for it not available
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 11, 2022 10:33:06 GMT
Personally, I think that they should move Thompson on, if his role is to become a poor man’s Danny Pugh. He should be challenging for central midfield. If he can’t, he should be gone. If a left wing back is injured, let’s not play a system that doesn’t have the players for it then. The league cup was a far better time to risk a change in formation than to risk throwing in a player who isn’t suited in the role anyways. Wasn't Thompson a left winger at Blackpool when we bought him? If so then crossing should be a strength not a weakness.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 10:40:34 GMT
I like Thompson to be fair, a decent utility player who has featured in some of our best performances under MON.
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Post by moon on Aug 11, 2022 11:29:05 GMT
We need at least one more wingback in and ideally one who can play either side and I think/hope O'Neill knows this but needs to get rid of Fox and/or Duhaney before he is allowed to. He can't keep stockpiling players for these positions even if most aren't fit for purpose. It is madness going into the season with only Tymon and Clarke as wing back options, Tymon has proved to be decent at wing back but still not convincing as a full back, we haven’t seen enough of Clarke at this point to make a fair judgement at either RWB or RB. An injury to either of these two is going to lead to square pegs in round holes, for sure we need another option at RWB, perhaps the lad who came from Leeds can play LWB but we can’t have much confidence yet until we actually see him there. I’d like to see another option at RB/RWB as a minimum, it’s pretty rare you get a player who can play in defence on both flanks comfortably. The wing back positions are more of a worry than anywhere else on the pitch for me, he has gone all in on this formation but hasn’t got the strength and depth for it, or any alternative for that matter. With 4 at the back we are going to end up with CBs our wide unless there are some promising youth players he can give an opportunity to, or maybe Tom Edwards is an option.
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Post by george2again on Aug 11, 2022 11:33:37 GMT
By the same token I would try Clucus at left centre back. Don’t want or need him in midfield anymore so try and make use of him- might work?
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Post by march4 on Aug 11, 2022 11:37:34 GMT
We could do with a young Danny Pugh.
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Post by etebojan on Aug 11, 2022 11:39:33 GMT
I really like Thompson, always seems to get stuck in and tries hard, loads of potential and room to grow, has a really good shot on him and dead ball delivery. still don't think his best position has been nailed down. Hoping he can have a transformative season like Browneh
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Post by moon on Aug 11, 2022 11:39:56 GMT
By the same token I would try Clucus at left centre back. Don’t want or need him in midfield anymore so try and make use of him- might work? The only thing I’d try with Clucas is to offload him, we don’t need him at CB. I can’t understand why we gave him a new contract last season.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 11, 2022 11:40:31 GMT
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Aug 11, 2022 12:00:07 GMT
He can’t be any where near the sack in the boards eyes if he’s fucking about trying shoehorn players into positions they have never played just play a back 4 or sign some actual wingbacks to make it work
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 11, 2022 12:01:12 GMT
I really like Thompson, always seems to get stuck in and tries hard, loads of potential and room to grow, has a really good shot on him and dead ball delivery. still don't think his best position has been nailed down. Hoping he can have a transformative season like Browneh I hope we move him on eventually, he's a nothing player and excels at nothing but I'm guessing he is very cheap wages wise.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 11, 2022 12:24:02 GMT
By the same token I would try Clucus at left centre back. Don’t want or need him in midfield anymore so try and make use of him- might work? The only thing I’d try with Clucas is to offload him, we don’t need him at CB. I can’t understand why we gave him a new contract last season. We extended the terms of his contract so that roughly the same pay was spread over two years. That actually helped us out a lot r.e. Ffp. It was a good move from Stoke, as they couldn’t offload him, and a good thing from Clucas as well.
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Post by jokker on Aug 11, 2022 14:38:04 GMT
Thompson & Sparrow just are not wing backs as Tymon & Mcarron injured he simply had to go with a flat back 4 with Fox at LB Poor from the manager being very generous could argue he was having a look just to see if they could make it work well he's seen now if he does this again then that's flat out unacceptable He's talked many times about having the ability to play with more than one system & he's often switched systems, simply don't see the need to persist with a system when the players you need for it not available He's one of those managers who believe in flexibility in players as a great virtue. When he sees it doesn't work the solution is to try once more believing in flexibility in management. Or he's out of his depth, not knowing what he's doing. Still you have to say giving Tymon some confidence as lwb was a masterstroke.
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Post by lordb on Aug 11, 2022 14:50:19 GMT
Thompson & Sparrow just are not wing backs as Tymon & Mcarron injured he simply had to go with a flat back 4 with Fox at LB Poor from the manager being very generous could argue he was having a look just to see if they could make it work well he's seen now if he does this again then that's flat out unacceptable He's talked many times about having the ability to play with more than one system & he's often switched systems, simply don't see the need to persist with a system when the players you need for it not available He's one of those managers who believe in flexibility in players as a great virtue. When he sees it doesn't work the solution is to try once more believing in flexibility in management. Or he's out of his depth, not knowing what he's doing. Still you have to say giving Tymon some confidence as lwb was a masterstroke. flexibility in players is a great virtue & Thompson is flexible he isn't a wing back though I think O'Neill is,like 99% of football managers stubborn/arrogant so will probably try him there again
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 11, 2022 14:54:52 GMT
Did he actually say that? Add another string to his bow? Ridiculous.
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 11, 2022 15:41:18 GMT
just another where we try and put square pegs in round hole job
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 11, 2022 16:00:12 GMT
The wingback system only works if Tymon has a good game. While he’s becoming or possibly already is one of the best in the league, we’re over reliant on him. If he’s not available or being rested we really ought to go the 4 at the back. Surprised MoN won’t do this more often, WB is a pretty specialist position
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