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Post by pottersrule on Aug 19, 2022 6:35:34 GMT
Laurent and Tymon are ankle ligament injuries.Nothing to do pre match preparation. One of the best ways of preventing ligament damage is stretching and warm up. The only thing you can’t prevent is impact injury. There is little evidence stretching prevents injury,it can slightly improve running performance and flexibility of joints but not prevent injury.Ankle ligament injury occurs when the joint is pushed out of its usual position.Stregthening the calf muscle may help but these exercises would be included in any professionals training regime.Certainly not in a pre match warm up.
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Post by femark on Aug 19, 2022 7:46:12 GMT
One of the best ways of preventing ligament damage is stretching and warm up. The only thing you can’t prevent is impact injury. There is little evidence stretching prevents injury,it can slightly improve running performance and flexibility of joints but not prevent injury.Ankle ligament injury occurs when the joint is pushed out of its usual position.Stregthening the calf muscle may help but these exercises would be included in any professionals training regime.Certainly not in a pre match warm up. There seems to be a long standing opinion that warm ups do not help prevent injury which is simply untrue. It increases blood flow and "primes" the muscles for exercise which will allow for better control of the joints. It's also beneficial for the joints as it takes them through a gradual full range of movement which, again, primes the tendons and ligaments. The one of the main basis of a WARM up, is to warm the muscles, tendons and ligaments to increase flexibility.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 19, 2022 7:56:18 GMT
There is little evidence stretching prevents injury,it can slightly improve running performance and flexibility of joints but not prevent injury.Ankle ligament injury occurs when the joint is pushed out of its usual position.Stregthening the calf muscle may help but these exercises would be included in any professionals training regime.Certainly not in a pre match warm up. There seems to be a long standing opinion that warm ups do not help prevent injury which is simply untrue. It increases blood flow and "primes" the muscles for exercise which will allow for better control of the joints. It's also beneficial for the joints as it takes them through a gradual full range of movement which, again, primes the tendons and ligaments. The one of the main basis of a WARM up, is to warm the muscles, tendons and ligaments to increase flexibility. Have to say that’s what I always thought as well as a cool down. If I go for a run without warming up and then sit straight down after without stretching, within a matter of hours I’m hobbling like an old man and have niggling pain for days afterwards. For elite athletes I imagine the need to warm up etc is even more necessary.
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Post by Timmy on Aug 19, 2022 9:35:37 GMT
Maybe these players need to drink some lemon juice and hop on one leg to prevent these ankle ligament issues... 🙈
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 19, 2022 11:22:18 GMT
If O'Niell doesn't have the players avaliable,he has to change the formation,instead of shoehorning players into a system that wont work with those players.
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Post by AlliG on Aug 19, 2022 11:54:08 GMT
Laurent and Tymon are ankle ligament injuries.Nothing to do pre match preparation. One of the best ways of preventing ligament damage is stretching and warm up. The only thing you can’t prevent is impact injury. Tymon's ankle ligament injury was caused by a "Charlie Adam" type tackle in the last 5 /10 minutes of the game, where the Blackpool defender got there "as soon as he could". If he wasn't "warmed up" by then, when would he be? It most certainly was an impact injury.
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Post by kerouac on Aug 19, 2022 12:01:10 GMT
There is little evidence stretching prevents injury,it can slightly improve running performance and flexibility of joints but not prevent injury.Ankle ligament injury occurs when the joint is pushed out of its usual position.Stregthening the calf muscle may help but these exercises would be included in any professionals training regime.Certainly not in a pre match warm up. There seems to be a long standing opinion that warm ups do not help prevent injury which is simply untrue. It increases blood flow and "primes" the muscles for exercise which will allow for better control of the joints. It's also beneficial for the joints as it takes them through a gradual full range of movement which, again, primes the tendons and ligaments. The one of the main basis of a WARM up, is to warm the muscles, tendons and ligaments to increase flexibility. I always warm up before a footy match but a friend who runs a lot,ultra stuff etc told me you shouldn’t before a run but defo stretches after.
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Post by onepara on Aug 19, 2022 12:19:07 GMT
I've always thought that the subs should be in the gym/dressing room with the trainers during a match. Keeping warm, stretching & doing whatever is needed to prepare them, should they be needed. They could even watch the match on a dressing room TV, to keep abreast of what's going on during play.
During a match, they normally just sit there, bodies unprepared, muscles un-warmed, then have a short run before going on. Completely un-professional. Other athletes go through a thorough warm-up routine.
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Post by femark on Aug 19, 2022 13:37:01 GMT
One of the best ways of preventing ligament damage is stretching and warm up. The only thing you can’t prevent is impact injury. Tymon's ankle ligament injury was caused by a "Charlie Adam" type tackle in the last 5 /10 minutes of the game, where the Blackpool defender got there "as soon as he could". If he wasn't "warmed up" by then, when would he be? It most certainly was an impact injury. That's fair enough but MON's comments seem to suggest that all in game injuries aren't preventable.
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 19, 2022 19:02:57 GMT
There is little evidence stretching prevents injury,it can slightly improve running performance and flexibility of joints but not prevent injury.Ankle ligament injury occurs when the joint is pushed out of its usual position.Stregthening the calf muscle may help but these exercises would be included in any professionals training regime.Certainly not in a pre match warm up. There seems to be a long standing opinion that warm ups do not help prevent injury which is simply untrue. It increases blood flow and "primes" the muscles for exercise which will allow for better control of the joints. It's also beneficial for the joints as it takes them through a gradual full range of movement which, again, primes the tendons and ligaments. The one of the main basis of a WARM up, is to warm the muscles, tendons and ligaments to increase flexibility. So you are saying Stoke players don't have a warm up before games? Or are you saying they need to do specific exercises to prevent ligament damage during the warm up? They do warm ups pre match on the pitch for at least 15 minutes and muscle conditioning will be part of their exercise protocol.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 31, 2022 22:25:15 GMT
We really do miss these guys.
My calculations make it
Tymon 2-4 weeks, Laurent 4-6 weeks, Clarke 3 weeks minimum. Souttar 2 months Powell 1 week McCarron no idea Kilkenny no idea
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 31, 2022 22:26:46 GMT
We really do miss these guys. My calculations make it Tymon 2-4 weeks, Laurent 4-6 weeks, Clarke 3 weeks minimum. Souttar 2 months Powell 1 week McCarron no idea Kilkenny no idea What happened Kilkenny that I’ve missed?
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Post by march4 on Aug 31, 2022 22:27:43 GMT
We really do miss these guys. My calculations make it Tymon 2-4 weeks, Laurent 4-6 weeks, Clarke 3 weeks minimum. Souttar 2 months Powell 1 week McCarron no idea Kilkenny no idea What happened Kilkenny that I’ve missed? Leaving?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 31, 2022 22:28:56 GMT
What happened Kilkenny that I’ve missed? Leaving? Loan cancelled, can’t see that happening already
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Post by march4 on Aug 31, 2022 23:28:41 GMT
Loan cancelled, can’t see that happening already We will see tomorrow.
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Post by mr on Aug 31, 2022 23:34:49 GMT
Loan cancelled, can’t see that happening already We will see tomorrow. Wouldn’t surprise me, manager that signed him has been sacked and the manager that got rid of him has also be sacked. He might fancy his chances back at Bournemouth
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 1, 2022 4:41:20 GMT
i think they said he was injured didn’t say what with.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 4, 2022 13:50:37 GMT
Not sure if the Hull game will go ahead but we must be getting a few of our long term injured player getting closer to fitness.
Tymon up to 2 weeks, Laurent 2-4 weeks, Clarke 1 week minimum. Souttar 6 weeks Powell back Kilkenny ???? (not heard) Gayle should be back Clucas Rumours re his hamstring. Sterling should be back
Kilkennys a puzzler. I liked the look of him.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 4, 2022 13:53:41 GMT
My calculations make it Tymon 1-3 weeks, Laurent 3-5 weeks, Clarke 2 weeks minimum. Souttar 2 months Powell back Kilkenny ???? Gayle ???? Clucas Rumours re his hamstring. Sterling 1-2 weeks Let’s hope some of them can start returning soon. Everyone bar Clucas on the list will improve us. Not sure i’ve heard anything re Gayle or Kilkenny. Gayle will be back next week but lacks match fitness and didn’t Neil say on Friday thst Josh Laurent is expobzck sooner than anticipated
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 4, 2022 13:56:12 GMT
My calculations make it Tymon 1-3 weeks, Laurent 3-5 weeks, Clarke 2 weeks minimum. Souttar 2 months Powell back Kilkenny ???? Gayle ???? Clucas Rumours re his hamstring. Sterling 1-2 weeks Let’s hope some of them can start returning soon. Everyone bar Clucas on the list will improve us. Not sure i’ve heard anything re Gayle or Kilkenny. Gayle will be back next week but lacks match fitness and didn’t Neil say on Friday thst Josh Laurent is expobzck sooner than anticipated We’ve just got to hang on in there. Clarke, Tymon and Laurent completely transform this team……..
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 4, 2022 13:57:43 GMT
Gayle will be back next week but lacks match fitness and didn’t Neil say on Friday thst Josh Laurent is expobzck sooner than anticipated We’ve just got to hang on in there. Clarke, Tymon and Laurent completely transform this team…….. Sterling too.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 4, 2022 13:59:50 GMT
We’ve just got to hang on in there. Clarke, Tymon and Laurent completely transform this team…….. Sterling too. Can’t Sterling play at CB? Clarke too.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 4, 2022 14:00:54 GMT
We’ve just got to hang on in there. Clarke, Tymon and Laurent completely transform this team…….. Sterling too. Those 4 players ramp up our energy levels by about 300%
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 4, 2022 14:01:18 GMT
Can’t Sterling play at CB? Clarke too. They’ve both played there in the past. I can see Sterling being the RWB with Clarke playing at CB.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 4, 2022 14:11:36 GMT
You'd think by now the Coates would have drawn up some sort of contract with Autoglass... Spare parts like, knees, ankles, backs, etc, etc......or at least use that resin to prevent any further cracks!!!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 4, 2022 15:46:07 GMT
We’ve just got to hang on in there. Clarke, Tymon and Laurent completely transform this team…….. Sterling too. Can’t Sterling play at CB? Clarke too.
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Post by collo68 on Sept 4, 2022 16:34:22 GMT
Can’t Sterling play at CB? Clarke too. They’ve both played there in the past. I can see Sterling being the RWB with Clarke playing at CB. Bang on, I'm pretty sure that will happen so at least we have pace in the centre backs as once they get turned we are in trouble
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 4, 2022 16:40:21 GMT
They’ve both played there in the past. I can see Sterling being the RWB with Clarke playing at CB. Bang on, I'm pretty sure that will happen so at least we have pace in the centre backs as once they get turned we are in trouble Yep we definitely need pace in the backline and Clarke looks like he can provide it. Our current CB’s look so uncomfortable when opponents are running at them.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 4, 2022 16:43:28 GMT
Bang on, I'm pretty sure that will happen so at least we have pace in the centre backs as once they get turned we are in trouble Yep we definitely need pace in the backline and Clarke looks like he can provide it. Our current CB’s look so uncomfortable when opponents are running at them. I agree but it is not helped by how easily our midfield is bypassed by fairly straightforward passes.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 4, 2022 16:48:36 GMT
Yep we definitely need pace in the backline and Clarke looks like he can provide it. Our current CB’s look so uncomfortable when opponents are running at them. I agree but it is not helped by how easily our midfield is bypassed by fairly straightforward passes. Agreed, the Blackburn game looked encouraging, particularly in the first half, because we were closing them down and retrieving the ball quite often. Todays game was shambolic with Clucas and Smallbone being anonymous with Baker being asked to do too much defensively.
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