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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 19, 2022 10:49:53 GMT
Any further incomings will have to be purchases, as I believe we have reached the maximum number of loans?. The maximum is the number you can name in the match day squad isn't it? So a bit of rotation would be required if we were to sign another one.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Aug 19, 2022 10:50:51 GMT
Any further incomings will have to be purchases, as I believe we have reached the maximum number of loans?. I think we can have as many loans as we want - but you can only name 6 in the 18 man squad.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 19, 2022 10:51:14 GMT
We desperately need to get this guy in, he'd make a massive difference.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 19, 2022 10:58:10 GMT
We desperately need to get this guy in, he'd make a massive difference. Not saying he wouldn't make a difference but how? The central CB has been the weak link in the back 3 so far. If he comes in as LCB who takes the other slots? If you just put him in instead of Wilmot I don't think that's fair. You could move Wilmot to RCB and drop Taylor which wouldn't be well received either (I think Wilmot uses the ball better than Taylor and probably has less errors in him). Do you move Taylor into the central position?
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Post by kerouac on Aug 19, 2022 11:02:02 GMT
We desperately need to get this guy in, he'd make a massive difference. Not saying he wouldn't make a difference but how? The central CB has been the weak link in the back 3 so far. If he comes in as LCB who takes the other slots? If you just put him in instead of Wilmot I don't think that's fair. You could move Wilmot to RCB and drop Taylor which wouldn't be well received either (I think Wilmot uses the ball better than Taylor and probably has less errors in him). Do you move Taylor into the central position? I’d try Taylor in the middle…..I think Wilmott is a liability,awful distribution and constantly seems like he’s got a monument fuck up in him.
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Post by lordb on Aug 19, 2022 11:03:52 GMT
We desperately need to get this guy in, he'd make a massive difference. Not saying he wouldn't make a difference but how? The central CB has been the weak link in the back 3 so far. If he comes in as LCB who takes the other slots? If you just put him in instead of Wilmot I don't think that's fair. You could move Wilmot to RCB and drop Taylor which wouldn't be well received either (I think Wilmot uses the ball better than Taylor and probably has less errors in him). Do you move Taylor into the central position? Wilmott,Souttar, M.Clarke I'd play Taylor in Souttars absence yes or just play 4 at the back
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 19, 2022 11:04:38 GMT
Not saying he wouldn't make a difference but how? The central CB has been the weak link in the back 3 so far. If he comes in as LCB who takes the other slots? If you just put him in instead of Wilmot I don't think that's fair. You could move Wilmot to RCB and drop Taylor which wouldn't be well received either (I think Wilmot uses the ball better than Taylor and probably has less errors in him). Do you move Taylor into the central position? I’d try Taylor in the middle…..I think Wilmott is a liability,awful distribution and constantly seems like he’s got a monument fuck up in him. His distribution is far better than Taylor's I'm not sure what you're watching.
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 19, 2022 11:05:16 GMT
Didn't someone mention Brighton were looking to sell him? If so maybe a loan with a buy clause for next season.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 19, 2022 11:06:43 GMT
Has anyone heard anything on this front? or all pure speculation?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 19, 2022 11:10:12 GMT
Didn't someone mention Brighton were looking to sell him? If so maybe a loan with a buy clause for next season. The opposite I think. They were said to have an offer for a permanent from Watford but it turned out they were in no rush to let him go as they revealed they had the option of a further year making the need to take a fee this season non essential.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 19, 2022 11:11:46 GMT
We desperately need to get this guy in, he'd make a massive difference. Not saying he wouldn't make a difference but how? The central CB has been the weak link in the back 3 so far. If he comes in as LCB who takes the other slots? If you just put him in instead of Wilmot I don't think that's fair. You could move Wilmot to RCB and drop Taylor which wouldn't be well received either (I think Wilmot uses the ball better than Taylor and probably has less errors in him). Do you move Taylor into the central position? I think you could rotate Jags and Taylor in the middle, anything but see Flint in there.
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Post by jwhpotter on Aug 19, 2022 11:11:54 GMT
Is anyone heard anything on this front? or all pure speculation? Think we’re looking for a cheaper option Looking like the final 1 or hopefully 2 will be deadline day now
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 19, 2022 11:15:00 GMT
theathletic.com/3512627/2022/08/19/brighton-transfers-clarke-andone/The left-sided central defender will almost certainly be playing in the Championship again next month — it’s just a matter of which club he’ll be with this time and whether this move away from Brighton will be another loan or a permanent exit. Clarke hasn’t made an appearance for Brighton since signing from Portsmouth for around £3million in June 2019. He’s played 110 games in the second division over the past three years, all on loan — to Derby County in successive seasons, and with West Brom in 2021-22. With that CV, Clarke is a proven performer at Championship level and has a cluster of its clubs interested in signing him, including West Brom again, Stoke and Blackpool. Watford, also now back in the Championship, had a permanent bid rejected as it fell well short of Brighton’s valuation. The club are keen to recoup a decent chunk of their outlay on Clarke, who has a year remaining on his contract. The 25-year-old is a good professional and character, who gives his all every time he plays or trains, he’s just not quite good enough in possession to suit the needs of Potter in the Premier League. The arrival of Colwill on loan from Chelsea has scuppered any chance of Clarke making first-team headway at the Amex Stadium. Jan Paul van Hecke is also ahead of him in terms of providing cover and competition for the well-established central defensive threesome of Lewis Dunk, Adam Webster and Joel Veltman. The 22-year-old Dutchman has been on the bench, alongside Colwill, for the opening two games of the season against Manchester United and Newcastle, after starring on loan with Blackburn Rovers in the Championship last season.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 19, 2022 11:17:47 GMT
Our own Aden Flint went to Boro from Bristol City for £7.2M, a month shy of 29 y/o with almost 2 years remaining on his contract. Clarke is 3 years younger, with a string of Player of the Year awards at his most recent Championship clubs, but with now less than a year to go on his BHA contract... I would say roughly £6.5M. Not if it was a Championship club that wanted him. Money in this league has changed dramatically. No one is spending that sort of cash, especially not on a defender. Boro were a Championship team when they bought Flint. And Sheff Utd have recently bought a Bosnian CB from Sweden for roughly £4M, who's only 23 y/o and had a year left on his contract. Factoring in Championship experience and a rare left-footed ability for Clarke, I'd still rank him in the £6M bracket. There are clubs in the Championship who can still stump up this kind of cash (albeit a small minority), and whilst the market forces are there player prices will adhere accordingly.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 19, 2022 11:21:16 GMT
theathletic.com/3512627/2022/08/19/brighton-transfers-clarke-andone/The left-sided central defender will almost certainly be playing in the Championship again next month — it’s just a matter of which club he’ll be with this time and whether this move away from Brighton will be another loan or a permanent exit. Clarke hasn’t made an appearance for Brighton since signing from Portsmouth for around £3million in June 2019. He’s played 110 games in the second division over the past three years, all on loan — to Derby County in successive seasons, and with West Brom in 2021-22. With that CV, Clarke is a proven performer at Championship level and has a cluster of its clubs interested in signing him, including West Brom again, Stoke and Blackpool. Watford, also now back in the Championship, had a permanent bid rejected as it fell well short of Brighton’s valuation. The club are keen to recoup a decent chunk of their outlay on Clarke, who has a year remaining on his contract. The 25-year-old is a good professional and character, who gives his all every time he plays or trains, he’s just not quite good enough in possession to suit the needs of Potter in the Premier League. The arrival of Colwill on loan from Chelsea has scuppered any chance of Clarke making first-team headway at the Amex Stadium. Jan Paul van Hecke is also ahead of him in terms of providing cover and competition for the well-established central defensive threesome of Lewis Dunk, Adam Webster and Joel Veltman. The 22-year-old Dutchman has been on the bench, alongside Colwill, for the opening two games of the season against Manchester United and Newcastle, after starring on loan with Blackburn Rovers in the Championship last season. Surprised Watford's offer fell short if they (Brighton) are only looking to recoup the majority of what they paid. Looks like Watford are being thrifty despite parachute payments and decent fees received.
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Post by RF10 on Aug 19, 2022 12:19:40 GMT
How much money would he really actually cost if Brighton desperate to get him gone. They only paid 3.5 million and with their recent windfall and Prem money it's fuck all. The loan market is now closed unless prepared to leave one of new players out which seems unlikely. So the only option would be on the cheap. Our own Aden Flint went to Boro from Bristol City for £7.2M, a month shy of 29 y/o with almost 2 years remaining on his contract. Clarke is 3 years younger, with a string of Player of the Year awards at his most recent Championship clubs, but with now less than a year to go on his BHA contract... I would say roughly £6.5M. Pulis seriously paid 7.2 million for him?! Wow
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Post by mcw on Aug 19, 2022 13:01:42 GMT
Desperately need a left sided CB to play in this three. I feel for Wilmot as for the majority of his time here he has mainly been used as plug for any missing parts in that defence, whether as a RB in a 4 or now as LCB in a 5. He needs consistent game time in the RCB position, playing him on the left is torturous as he continually tries to chop back onto his right foot and if somebody nicks the ball they are straight in on goal. We could and should have also made sure we had decent back up in WB position if we are determined to persevere with a 3-5-2 or what is increasingly becoming a 5-3-2. The whole functionality of what MON wants to do is based on building from the back and using these players to manoeuvre the opposition from side to side and create overloads and at the moment we just don't have the WBs to do this (Tymon excepted).
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 19, 2022 18:33:59 GMT
Not saying he wouldn't make a difference but how? The central CB has been the weak link in the back 3 so far. If he comes in as LCB who takes the other slots? If you just put him in instead of Wilmot I don't think that's fair. You could move Wilmot to RCB and drop Taylor which wouldn't be well received either (I think Wilmot uses the ball better than Taylor and probably has less errors in him). Do you move Taylor into the central position? I’d try Taylor in the middle…..I think Wilmott is a liability,awful distribution and constantly seems like he’s got a monument fuck up in him. Is that Leek monument? No wonder he runs funny.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 19, 2022 18:37:51 GMT
Not saying he wouldn't make a difference but how? The central CB has been the weak link in the back 3 so far. If he comes in as LCB who takes the other slots? If you just put him in instead of Wilmot I don't think that's fair. You could move Wilmot to RCB and drop Taylor which wouldn't be well received either (I think Wilmot uses the ball better than Taylor and probably has less errors in him). Do you move Taylor into the central position? I’d try Taylor in the middle…..I think Wilmott is a liability,awful distribution and constantly seems like he’s got a monument fuck up in him. Wilmott has easily been our best defender so far. I've been very impressed with him
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Post by Stoke70 on Aug 19, 2022 20:01:08 GMT
Any further incomings will have to be purchases, as I believe we have reached the maximum number of loans?. I think we can have as many loans as we want - but you can only name 6 in the 18 man squad. It’s 5 in 18 squad and you can have 8 loans max in 25 squad list
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Post by RF10 on Aug 19, 2022 20:02:02 GMT
The signings of Fosu and Delap have put this to bed haven't they?
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 19, 2022 20:24:12 GMT
The signings of Fosu and Delap have put this to bed haven't they? I'm not so sure, clearly he needs space in the squad and if they can rid ourselves of Etebo and or Clucas I think it will be a goer
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Post by st3mark on Aug 19, 2022 20:27:02 GMT
The signings of Fosu and Delap have put this to bed haven't they? Definitely. Manager has said nobody else will come in unless we sell. I would love etebo and clucas to leave on deadline day to cover Clarkes wages but I couldn't see us generating enough cash to buy him. Manager/transfer team has done brilliant to attract the players we have this window with such grave financial restrictions. So I have little complaints if this doesn't get over the line.
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Post by ravey123 on Aug 19, 2022 20:27:18 GMT
I think we can have as many loans as we want - but you can only name 6 in the 18 man squad. It’s 5 in 18 squad and you can have 8 loans max in 25 squad list I thought Brighton wanted a small fee for him so it won’t be a loan
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 19, 2022 20:29:14 GMT
He doesn't rule our another loan, but says at one point here that's "less attractive".
Can't think of any available free agents who fit the bill though
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Post by iamstokie on Aug 19, 2022 20:31:24 GMT
We desperately need to get this guy in, he'd make a massive difference. i I don’t think he would as long as we have this shite manager
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 19, 2022 20:31:53 GMT
He doesn't rule our another loan, but says at one point here that's "less attractive". Can't think of any available free agents who fit the bill though I've been wondering if there is another defender out there in a similar position to Dwight Gayle. On the edges of a club and is potentially going to get his contract paid off to go on a free somewhere?
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 19, 2022 20:39:19 GMT
He doesn't rule our another loan, but says at one point here that's "less attractive". Can't think of any available free agents who fit the bill though the only one that springs to mind is Michael Hector
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2022 20:40:39 GMT
The signings of Fosu and Delap have put this to bed haven't they? Definitely. Manager has said nobody else will come in unless we sell. I would love etebo and clucas to leave on deadline day to cover Clarkes wages but I couldn't see us generating enough cash to buy him. Manager/transfer team has done brilliant to attract the players we have this window with such grave financial restrictions. So I have little complaints if this doesn't get over the line. He said players out not necessarily selling. I think it just means freeing up wages. Etebo alone would easily cover Clarke's wages I would think.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 19, 2022 20:43:54 GMT
I’d try Taylor in the middle…..I think Wilmott is a liability,awful distribution and constantly seems like he’s got a monument fuck up in him. Wilmott has easily been our best defender so far. I've been very impressed with him I honestly don't know what some people are watching. If any of the defenders are progressing the ball it will usually be Wilmot.
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