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Aug 2, 2022 14:25:14 GMT
Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 2, 2022 14:25:14 GMT
Are we about to have Round Two?
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Aug 2, 2022 15:01:26 GMT
Post by partickpotter on Aug 2, 2022 15:01:26 GMT
Bluff and bluster or something more serious? China has been making noises for a while now over Taiwan, but increasingly so over the past week or so at the prospect of the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi popping in during her jolly round South East Asia. Anyway, it seems she has now landed. Chinese jets are buzzing around the Taiwan straits and US warships are being deployed. Let's hope we are all still here tomorrow morning!
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 2, 2022 15:14:59 GMT
I’ll be pissed off if I’m not I’ve just bought three bags of pigeon corn
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 2, 2022 15:23:11 GMT
Thankfully I reckon its unlikely in the extreme that China will engage in direct military action against the US or vice-versa in the next 24 hours. There's definitely an increasing level of aggravation occurring though.
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Post by felonious on Aug 2, 2022 15:31:15 GMT
I suspect just like we're finding with Russia now we would be well advised to wean ourselves off any dependence on China. Having said that this current crisis leads all the way back to the USA.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 2, 2022 15:33:52 GMT
I suspect just like we're finding with Russia now we would be well advised to wean ourselves off any dependence on China. Having said that this current crisis leads all the way back to the USA. As does virtually every other one since 1945
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Aug 2, 2022 16:13:15 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 2, 2022 16:13:15 GMT
Serbia and Kosovo next as well........
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Aug 2, 2022 16:15:52 GMT
Post by partickpotter on Aug 2, 2022 16:15:52 GMT
Serbia and Kosovo next as well........ Seems like that is more David prodding Goliath though on this occasion.
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Aug 2, 2022 16:43:19 GMT
Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 2, 2022 16:43:19 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 2, 2022 16:57:22 GMT
I suspect just like we're finding with Russia now we would be well advised to wean ourselves off any dependence on China. Having said that this current crisis leads all the way back to the USA. Good luck with that. What on earth will people do if they can’t visit the pound shop to buy all the Chinese shite on offer. That being said, so many supposedly quality branded products are made there, they’ve got the manufacturing market cornered at both the top and bottom ends. It’s almost impossible to buy anything not made in China.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2022 17:01:54 GMT
Serbia and Kosovo next as well........ Kosovo has 3600 NATO troops inside it. Not gonna happen.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 2, 2022 18:53:06 GMT
I suspect just like we're finding with Russia now we would be well advised to wean ourselves off any dependence on China. Having said that this current crisis leads all the way back to the USA. Good luck with that. What on earth will people do if they can’t visit the pound shop to buy all the Chinese shite on offer. That being said, so many supposedly quality branded products are made there, they’ve got the manufacturing market cornered at both the top and bottom ends. It’s almost impossible to buy anything not made in China. Free market capitalism.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 2, 2022 19:18:02 GMT
I suspect just like we're finding with Russia now we would be well advised to wean ourselves off any dependence on China. Having said that this current crisis leads all the way back to the USA. It is actually happening. www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jul/30/uk-businesses-china-cbi-tony-danker-supply-chainsThe pandemic, Brexit, inflation of container and transport costs, extremes of weather, and Ukraine war is making thousands of companies review their supply strategy to shorten supply chains and spread dependence risks. It cannot happen overnight and there is the labour shortage issue but reshoring has been building for the past decade.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 2, 2022 19:32:00 GMT
Her visit is either very stupid or a brilliant strategic move. China's domination of the world is inevitable unless they're stopped in their tracks, and the only ones who can do it are the Yanks. I don't think many people are aware of the massive presence of the US in and around the Indo-China-Pacific region. Those aircraft carriers will go up in a puff of smoke if the US takes the covers off what they have in the region. Rather than rattling sabres, China would have been wiser to buy up everything Russian and and supply them with weapons to help with the war in Ukraine. They would then have faced a trade war, but it would have been the lesser of two evils.
OS.
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Aug 2, 2022 19:44:52 GMT
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Post by superjw on Aug 2, 2022 19:44:52 GMT
I suspect just like we're finding with Russia now we would be well advised to wean ourselves off any dependence on China. Having said that this current crisis leads all the way back to the USA. Good luck with that. What on earth will people do if they can’t visit the pound shop to buy all the Chinese shite on offer. That being said, so many supposedly quality branded products are made there, they’ve got the manufacturing market cornered at both the top and bottom ends. It’s almost impossible to buy anything not made in China. Either made in china or made with products or components from China.
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Aug 2, 2022 19:55:56 GMT
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Aug 2, 2022 19:55:56 GMT
Some of the world's biggest tech companies manufacture in China, eg Foxconn.
The componentry that goes into making that same tech, is mass produced in China.
The very small cluster of manufacturers that build your TVs, etc, and white label them, are based in China.
We're already overly-reliant on them. It would be easier to reverse climate change.
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Aug 2, 2022 21:33:34 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2022 21:33:34 GMT
I suspect just like we're finding with Russia now we would be well advised to wean ourselves off any dependence on China. Having said that this current crisis leads all the way back to the USA. It is actually happening. www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jul/30/uk-businesses-china-cbi-tony-danker-supply-chainsThe pandemic, Brexit, inflation of container and transport costs, extremes of weather, and Ukraine war is making thousands of companies review their supply strategy to shorten supply chains and spread dependence risks. It cannot happen overnight and there is the labour shortage issue but reshoring has been building for the past decade. This is gonna sound daft but I first became aware of this on the apprentice. On the interview section they scolded one of the contestants for being reliant on China and said businesses are moving away from the reliance on them. I found it eye opening.
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Aug 2, 2022 21:38:23 GMT
Post by Boothen on Aug 2, 2022 21:38:23 GMT
China's bluff has been called and it turns out that they are, in fact, full of hot air and bluster just like everyone suspected they are. What are they going to do in order to show their disdain at this massive kick in the happy sack? Why, they're going to shoot some ordnance into the sea. Whoopty-fucking-do.
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Post by Gods on Aug 2, 2022 22:19:12 GMT
China has managed to combine the most brutal aspects of communism with the most brutal aspects of capitalism.
They don't even bother to bung us a panda to keep quiet anymore.
I'm glad I won't live to see this one play itself out.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 2, 2022 22:19:38 GMT
I suspect just like we're finding with Russia now we would be well advised to wean ourselves off any dependence on China. Having said that this current crisis leads all the way back to the USA. It is actually happening. www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jul/30/uk-businesses-china-cbi-tony-danker-supply-chainsThe pandemic, Brexit, inflation of container and transport costs, extremes of weather, and Ukraine war is making thousands of companies review their supply strategy to shorten supply chains and spread dependence risks. It cannot happen overnight and there is the labour shortage issue but reshoring has been building for the past decade. I found your quoting of Tony Danker and his views highly amusing He is/has consistently cautioned against over reliance on China Supply Chain for security of supply (reliability) and also as an avid Environmentalist because it is counter productive to Net Zero (transportation) You have consistently championed enhanced Trade with China amongst other SE Asia Countries You have also proposed that Container Shipment from China is actually economic (I believe based on information from your Stepson, I may be wrong about your source) As an Environmentalist and head of CBI he has promoted closer ties with EU (after Brexit) both from a Business Perspective and from a logistics (location) viewpoint As a Belfast born person he fully understands the Northern-ireland Protocol and fully supports it He has been critical of UKs attempts to alter Protocol and says that its damaging to inward invest in NI Have you come over to the Dark Side?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 2, 2022 22:19:39 GMT
Nancy Pelosi is senile, totally incompetent and an absolute liability. What on earth are the US doing by allowing this twat anywhere near Taiwan? Completely unnecessary and frankly could have no complaints if her visit was met with Chinese hostility. Its not "genius" at all. She, like Biden, barely knows what day it is and the US to continue to be a total embarrassment to the West.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2022 22:23:40 GMT
China has managed to combine the most brutal aspects of communism with the most brutal aspects of capitalism.They don't even bother to bung us a panda to keep quiet anymore. I'm glad I won't live to see this one play itself out.
Perfectly put Gods.
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Aug 2, 2022 22:28:10 GMT
Post by Gods on Aug 2, 2022 22:28:10 GMT
Nancy Pelosi is senile, totally incompetent and an absolute liability. What on earth are the US doing by allowing this twat anywhere near Taiwan? Completely unnecessary and frankly could have no complaints if her visit was met with Chinese hostility. Its not "genius" at all. She, like Biden, barely knows what day it is and the US to continue to be a total embarrassment to the West. Well I suppose there is only Biden and Pelosi between the world and that fat tosser Trump so we have to be grateful for that. But why the Democrats can't find a young thruster to champion a liberal, pro-business, pro-education, pro-human rights agenda is beyond me.
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Aug 2, 2022 22:31:48 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 2, 2022 22:31:48 GMT
Nancy Pelosi is senile, totally incompetent and an absolute liability. What on earth are the US doing by allowing this twat anywhere near Taiwan? Completely unnecessary and frankly could have no complaints if her visit was met with Chinese hostility. Its not "genius" at all. She, like Biden, barely knows what day it is and the US to continue to be a total embarrassment to the West. Well I suppose there is only Biden and Pelosi between the world and that fat tosser Trump so we have to be grateful for that. But why the Democrats can't find a young thruster to champion a liberal, pro-business, pro-education, pro-human rights agenda is beyond me. I'm not sure Biden and Pelosi are better options than Trump are they? Trump is not the answer but if Biden and Pelosi are, then what the fucks the question 😆 I can't quite believe how stupid and wreckless that decision was. It's not just the US she's putting at risk, but stability in the entire West. Quite how she's still got a senior role in US government is frankly astounding.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 3, 2022 0:11:06 GMT
She has/is going there on a personal visit not a state supported visit
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Post by Davef on Aug 3, 2022 6:58:15 GMT
Nancy Pelosi is senile, totally incompetent and an absolute liability. What on earth are the US doing by allowing this twat anywhere near Taiwan? Completely unnecessary and frankly could have no complaints if her visit was met with Chinese hostility. Its not "genius" at all. She, like Biden, barely knows what day it is and the US to continue to be a total embarrassment to the West. Well I suppose there is only Biden and Pelosi between the world and that fat tosser Trump so we have to be grateful for that. But why the Democrats can't find a young thruster to champion a liberal, pro-business, pro-education, pro-human rights agenda is beyond me. You mean somebody like Justin Trudeau?
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Post by andystokey on Aug 3, 2022 7:22:21 GMT
Probably the biggest impact that the Chinese could place on the western world short of a war would be an embargo on Taiwanese semiconductors. Taiwan makes 60% of the world's chip revenues. The post pandemic semiconductor blip would be a drop in the ocean compared with loss of Taiwanese production.
Moving production, machinery, workforce and skills would take about 4 years and cost in the region £10b per plant.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 3, 2022 7:59:50 GMT
Probably the biggest impact that the Chinese could place on the western world short of a war would be an embargo on Taiwanese semiconductors. Taiwan makes 60% of the world's chip revenues. The post pandemic semiconductor blip would be a drop in the ocean compared with loss of Taiwanese production. Moving production, machinery, workforce and skills would take about 4 years and cost in the region £10b per plant. This is a massive problem. The rise of the chip foundries in the noughties had a seismic impact on the semiconductor industry that led to the demise of many of the vertically integrated chip companies (that designed and built their own products) such as Motorola and the rise of fabless chip companies (who designed and licensed IP) like ARM and the foundries (who did the manufacture) such as TSMC who were for the most part based in Taiwan. This has created a huge dependency on Taiwan that, from a global perspective, is way more significant than the need for Russian gas. As you say, the vast majority of global semiconductor production is in Taiwan, and creating new production elsewhere starts at $10b and will take upwards of 4 years to bring on stream. A war on Taiwan would be catastrophic.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Aug 3, 2022 10:49:45 GMT
Well I suppose there is only Biden and Pelosi between the world and that fat tosser Trump so we have to be grateful for that. But why the Democrats can't find a young thruster to champion a liberal, pro-business, pro-education, pro-human rights agenda is beyond me. You mean somebody like Justin Trudeau? His Canadian citizenship might be a hindrance Dave, but I know what you mean
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Aug 4, 2022 7:41:01 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 4, 2022 7:41:01 GMT
Chinese launched ballistic missiles as part of the ie excercise Suggestion is they are going to fire one right over the island, violating Taiwan airspace US mobilising
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