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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 4, 2022 12:35:50 GMT
All because Nancy Pelosi is a senile, stupid, irrational twat. Shes put global security at risk with that visit.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 4, 2022 12:54:13 GMT
All because Nancy Pelosi is a senile, stupid, irrational twat. Shes put global security at risk with that visit. The whole Biden administration is the same, they all need sectioning.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 4, 2022 13:02:32 GMT
All because Nancy Pelosi is a senile, stupid, irrational twat. Shes put global security at risk with that visit. Why shouldn't she? There are billions of dollars if US imports and exports approx 15% of GDP. It's no different than the Royal Navy navigating International waters in an Aircraft carrier. The Chinese position is based on fear of reprisal to isolate Taiwan and own it by default. Fuck 'em.
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Post by superjw on Aug 4, 2022 13:04:11 GMT
Its like Ww1 this, a fight is in the air but it's down to someone to make the final move.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 4, 2022 13:08:56 GMT
All because Nancy Pelosi is a senile, stupid, irrational twat. Shes put global security at risk with that visit. The whole Biden administration is the same, they all need sectioning. So why do 25 Republican senators and Mitch McConnell support her visit? It's absolutely bi-partisan.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 4, 2022 13:55:09 GMT
The whole Biden administration is the same, they all need sectioning. So why do 25 Republican senators and Mitch McConnell support her visit? It's absolutely bi-partisan. RINO's
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 4, 2022 14:05:47 GMT
All because Nancy Pelosi is a senile, stupid, irrational twat. Shes put global security at risk with that visit. Why shouldn't she? There are billions of dollars if US imports and exports approx 15% of GDP. It's no different than the Royal Navy navigating International waters in an Aircraft carrier. The Chinese position is based on fear of reprisal to isolate Taiwan and own it by default. Fuck 'em. Because Europe is at war, people can barely afford fuel and energy bills and we are facing the biggest economical crisis in a generation? Timing maybe isn't great to be poking the biggest threat to our existence? You know... Bit of common sense and all that. Not that I expect any from the Biden administration. It was a ridiculous, idiotic thing for her to do and she's quite literally poured a shit load of fuel on an already raging fire. Stoking up tension with China is literally the last thing the West needs right now.
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Post by foster on Aug 4, 2022 14:13:46 GMT
Why shouldn't she? There are billions of dollars if US imports and exports approx 15% of GDP. It's no different than the Royal Navy navigating International waters in an Aircraft carrier. The Chinese position is based on fear of reprisal to isolate Taiwan and own it by default. Fuck 'em. Because Europe is at war, people can barely afford fuel and energy bills and we are facing the biggest economical crisis in a generation? Timing maybe isn't great to be poking the biggest threat to our existence? You know... Bit of common sense and all that. Not that I expect any from the Biden administration. It was a ridiculous, idiotic thing for her to do and she's quite literally poured a shit load of fuel on an already raging fire. Stoking up tension with China is literally the last thing the West needs right now. So much going on right now that I'd say it's wise to pick and chose our battles. If the US and China want to enter into a dick measuring contest then I think we should stay as far out of it as possible. Of course if the USA asks (threatens economic sanctions) then the UK will come running along as usual.
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Post by superjw on Aug 4, 2022 14:48:46 GMT
Why shouldn't she? There are billions of dollars if US imports and exports approx 15% of GDP. It's no different than the Royal Navy navigating International waters in an Aircraft carrier. The Chinese position is based on fear of reprisal to isolate Taiwan and own it by default. Fuck 'em. Because Europe is at war, people can barely afford fuel and energy bills and we are facing the biggest economical crisis in a generation? Timing maybe isn't great to be poking the biggest threat to our existence? You know... Bit of common sense and all that. Not that I expect any from the Biden administration. It was a ridiculous, idiotic thing for her to do and she's quite literally poured a shit load of fuel on an already raging fire. Stoking up tension with China is literally the last thing the West needs right now. America loves to antagonise
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 4, 2022 15:47:17 GMT
Why shouldn't she? There are billions of dollars if US imports and exports approx 15% of GDP. It's no different than the Royal Navy navigating International waters in an Aircraft carrier. The Chinese position is based on fear of reprisal to isolate Taiwan and own it by default. Fuck 'em. Because Europe is at war, people can barely afford fuel and energy bills and we are facing the biggest economical crisis in a generation? Timing maybe isn't great to be poking the biggest threat to our existence? You know... Bit of common sense and all that. Not that I expect any from the Biden administration. It was a ridiculous, idiotic thing for her to do and she's quite literally poured a shit load of fuel on an already raging fire. Stoking up tension with China is literally the last thing the West needs right now. Common sense and the Biden Administration aren't words I'd generally put in the same sentence, the blokes a fruitloop
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Post by andystokey on Aug 4, 2022 15:49:48 GMT
Why shouldn't she? There are billions of dollars if US imports and exports approx 15% of GDP. It's no different than the Royal Navy navigating International waters in an Aircraft carrier. The Chinese position is based on fear of reprisal to isolate Taiwan and own it by default. Fuck 'em. Because Europe is at war, people can barely afford fuel and energy bills and we are facing the biggest economical crisis in a generation? Timing maybe isn't great to be poking the biggest threat to our existence? You know... Bit of common sense and all that. Not that I expect any from the Biden administration. It was a ridiculous, idiotic thing for her to do and she's quite literally poured a shit load of fuel on an already raging fire. Stoking up tension with China is literally the last thing the West needs right now. Shall we bury our head in the sand indefinitely? The reason there is a war in Europe now is exactly because we let Putin do whatever he wanted and turned a blind eye. You're already in a war with China it just hasn't effected you personally yet thanks to some hard work behind the veil.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 4, 2022 16:14:48 GMT
Why shouldn't she? There are billions of dollars if US imports and exports approx 15% of GDP. It's no different than the Royal Navy navigating International waters in an Aircraft carrier. The Chinese position is based on fear of reprisal to isolate Taiwan and own it by default. Fuck 'em. Because Europe is at war, people can barely afford fuel and energy bills and we are facing the biggest economical crisis in a generation? Timing maybe isn't great to be poking the biggest threat to our existence? You know... Bit of common sense and all that. Not that I expect any from the Biden administration. It was a ridiculous, idiotic thing for her to do and she's quite literally poured a shit load of fuel on an already raging fire. Stoking up tension with China is literally the last thing the West needs right now. She's not in the Biden administration, the administration was against her trip. Separation of powers leaking down to individual choices here I think.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 4, 2022 16:19:27 GMT
Because Europe is at war, people can barely afford fuel and energy bills and we are facing the biggest economical crisis in a generation? Timing maybe isn't great to be poking the biggest threat to our existence? You know... Bit of common sense and all that. Not that I expect any from the Biden administration. It was a ridiculous, idiotic thing for her to do and she's quite literally poured a shit load of fuel on an already raging fire. Stoking up tension with China is literally the last thing the West needs right now. She's not in the Biden administration, She is though
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 4, 2022 16:34:12 GMT
She's not in the Biden administration, She is though Really? I thought the Speaker of the House counts as Congress (legislative branch) rather than the Administration (executive branch). I'm pretty far from an expert though!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 4, 2022 17:01:11 GMT
Really? I thought the Speaker of the House counts as Congress (legislative branch) rather than the Administration (executive branch). I'm pretty far from an expert though! She basically is the Biden administration even if shes not legally signed up to it!! Although she's signed up to being a democrat representative I think. Either way she's absolutely dreadful and should be nowhere close to senior roles in the US government.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 4, 2022 17:05:06 GMT
Really? I thought the Speaker of the House counts as Congress (legislative branch) rather than the Administration (executive branch). I'm pretty far from an expert though! She basically is the Biden administration even if shes not legally signed up to it!! Although she's signed up to being a democrat representative I think. Either way she's absolutely dreadful and should be nowhere close to senior roles in the US government. I think we'd both be happier if they just restarted the American parties from scratch. They should try turning their politics off and on again.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 4, 2022 17:21:46 GMT
She basically is the Biden administration even if shes not legally signed up to it!! Although she's signed up to being a democrat representative I think. Either way she's absolutely dreadful and should be nowhere close to senior roles in the US government. I think we'd both be happier if they just restarted the American parties from scratch. They should try turning their politics off and on again. Amen to that. Can they do the same thing in the UK and the rest of the world! 😊
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 4, 2022 17:40:12 GMT
Really? I thought the Speaker of the House counts as Congress (legislative branch) rather than the Administration (executive branch). I'm pretty far from an expert though! Facts, eh!
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 4, 2022 21:49:40 GMT
Really? I thought the Speaker of the House counts as Congress (legislative branch) rather than the Administration (executive branch). I'm pretty far from an expert though! She basically is the Biden administration even if shes not legally signed up to it!! Although she's signed up to being a democrat representative I think. Either way she's absolutely dreadful and should be nowhere close to senior roles in the US government. Correct, once Trump gets back in in 2024 he can start correcting all the wrongs done by the senile Biden administration
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Post by noustie on Aug 4, 2022 22:03:55 GMT
Why shouldn't she? There are billions of dollars if US imports and exports approx 15% of GDP. It's no different than the Royal Navy navigating International waters in an Aircraft carrier. The Chinese position is based on fear of reprisal to isolate Taiwan and own it by default. Fuck 'em. Because Europe is at war, people can barely afford fuel and energy bills and we are facing the biggest economical crisis in a generation? Timing maybe isn't great to be poking the biggest threat to our existence? You know... Bit of common sense and all that. Not that I expect any from the Biden administration. It was a ridiculous, idiotic thing for her to do and she's quite literally poured a shit load of fuel on an already raging fire. Stoking up tension with China is literally the last thing the West needs right now. It's just too fucking stupid and completely eclipsed the diplomatic failures in Ukraine not to be purposefully coordinated for me. To what ends fuck knows but something deeply deeply wrong seems afoot. Silver lining that nuclear armageddon wouldn't seemingly appear to delay a promotion push I suppose
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Post by noustie on Aug 4, 2022 22:12:00 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 4, 2022 22:25:21 GMT
Because Europe is at war, people can barely afford fuel and energy bills and we are facing the biggest economical crisis in a generation? Timing maybe isn't great to be poking the biggest threat to our existence? You know... Bit of common sense and all that. Not that I expect any from the Biden administration. It was a ridiculous, idiotic thing for her to do and she's quite literally poured a shit load of fuel on an already raging fire. Stoking up tension with China is literally the last thing the West needs right now. It's just too fucking stupid and completely eclipsed the diplomatic failures in Ukraine not to be purposefully coordinated for me. To what ends fuck knows but something deeply deeply wrong seems afoot. Silver lining that nuclear armageddon wouldn't seemingly appear to delay a promotion push I suppose It's as obviously stupid as it was deciding to shut down society for 2 years in the name of a largely non fatal virus. Look what happened. Something deeply wrong is afoot.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2022 5:59:05 GMT
We touched earlier on the global significance of Taiwan’s semiconductor industry and how calamitous a war would be on the global economy. I described it as a massive problem. It could also be Taiwan’s saviour, along the lines of “too big to fail” logic. Basically because China is every bit as dependent on Taiwan’s chips as everyone else. This excellent article covers it very well; Why China is not sanctioning Taiwan’s key chip industry
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Post by andystokey on Aug 5, 2022 6:38:01 GMT
Because Europe is at war, people can barely afford fuel and energy bills and we are facing the biggest economical crisis in a generation? Timing maybe isn't great to be poking the biggest threat to our existence? You know... Bit of common sense and all that. Not that I expect any from the Biden administration. It was a ridiculous, idiotic thing for her to do and she's quite literally poured a shit load of fuel on an already raging fire. Stoking up tension with China is literally the last thing the West needs right now. It's just too fucking stupid and completely eclipsed the diplomatic failures in Ukraine not to be purposefully coordinated for me. To what ends fuck knows but something deeply deeply wrong seems afoot. Silver lining that nuclear armageddon wouldn't seemingly appear to delay a promotion push I suppose I agree with you it is a purposeful act by the State and not, as has been suggested on here, Pelosi blindly bumbling around on a Saga holiday around the Indo Pacific. The light that has been shown to the World's press makes Taiwan safer from a surreptitious invasion while the World looked the other way. Firing a few rockets off is a statement by China but the bluff is called. We can see you sneaking about, we know your intent and will not sit idly by if you press Taiwan with our mutual dependence on its manufacturing there will be consequences. The alternative is that China inherits by default the World's biggest semiconductor foundry while we watch another Hong Kong unfold. It may be inconvenient while Ukraine is going on but that was always the China strategy. The reason for the Pelosi visit is to reiterate we haven't forgotten. Despite the White House platitudes to China she was sanctioned to go by the State. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/02/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-visit-op-ed/
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Post by noustie on Aug 5, 2022 7:57:00 GMT
Maybe Western press are waking up but Chinese dailies and Al Jazeera have been all over this for the six months I've been paying attention.
We're going down the well trodden road of demonising the figurehead of a regime we no longer like and doubting their abilities. Strategically China have played the long game for decades whereas the US currently resemble the Chuckle Brothers and Three Stooges combined 'To me ..To you; nyuk nyuk nyuk Sanctionary end of autocue.'
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2022 8:06:45 GMT
Maybe Western press are waking up but Chinese dailies and Al Jazeera have been all over this for the six months I've been paying attention. We're going down the well trodden road of demonising the figurehead of a regime we no longer like and doubting their abilities. Strategically China have played the long game for decades whereas the US currently resemble the Chuckle Brothers and Three Stooges combined 'To me ..To you; nyuk nyuk nyuk Sanctionary end of autocue.' You place far too much faith in China’s strategic capability and have much too little in the West’s. China is on the verge of implosion. Which is the ultimate fate of all autocracies. Of course, this has terrible consequences for the West which has developed a massive dependency low cost Chinese manufacturing, but the West will find a solution. Solutions are not something that comes easily to autocratic societies though. They just double down and fail faster and disastrously for their people.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 5, 2022 8:25:35 GMT
Maybe Western press are waking up but Chinese dailies and Al Jazeera have been all over this for the six months I've been paying attention. We're going down the well trodden road of demonising the figurehead of a regime we no longer like and doubting their abilities. Strategically China have played the long game for decades whereas the US currently resemble the Chuckle Brothers and Three Stooges combined 'To me ..To you; nyuk nyuk nyuk Sanctionary end of autocue.' You place far too much faith in China’s strategic capability and have much too little in the West’s. China is on the verge of implosion. Which is the ultimate fate of all autocracies. Of course, this has terrible consequences for the West which has developed a massive dependency low cost Chinese manufacturing, but the West will find a solution. Solutions are not something that comes easily to autocratic societies though. They just double down and fail faster and disastrously for their people. In what sense is China on the verge of implosion?
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2022 8:31:54 GMT
You place far too much faith in China’s strategic capability and have much too little in the West’s. China is on the verge of implosion. Which is the ultimate fate of all autocracies. Of course, this has terrible consequences for the West which has developed a massive dependency low cost Chinese manufacturing, but the West will find a solution. Solutions are not something that comes easily to autocratic societies though. They just double down and fail faster and disastrously for their people. In what sense is China on the verge of implosion? The collapse in working age population combined with a huge increase in its pensionable population. There’s been a lot written about this over the past month or so as figures published in July show China’s population declined last year for the first time. This piece today is about as good as any in explaining why this is a colossal problem for China, while noting that it is also bad news for the world generally. As we now know, when China catches a cold, the world suffers. Baby bust: China’s looming demographic disaster
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Post by noustie on Aug 5, 2022 9:35:07 GMT
In what sense is China on the verge of implosion? The collapse in working age population combined with a huge increase in its pensionable population. There’s been a lot written about this over the past month or so as figures published in July show China’s population declined last year for the first time. This piece today is about as good as any in explaining why this is a colossal problem for China, while noting that it is also bad news for the world generally. As we now know, when China catches a cold, the world suffers. Baby bust: China’s looming demographic disasterThe whole developed world has the same issue but according to that China will feel the pinch by 2050 and fucked by 2100. Plenty of time to bang some tax payers out for Mother China. It won't be them fucked anyway as they've not really started with immigration yet so they'll just hoover folk up from poor countries across Asia, Africa and South America you'd imagine.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2022 12:54:03 GMT
The collapse in working age population combined with a huge increase in its pensionable population. There’s been a lot written about this over the past month or so as figures published in July show China’s population declined last year for the first time. This piece today is about as good as any in explaining why this is a colossal problem for China, while noting that it is also bad news for the world generally. As we now know, when China catches a cold, the world suffers. Baby bust: China’s looming demographic disasterThe whole developed world has the same issue but according to that China will feel the pinch by 2050 and fucked by 2100. Plenty of time to bang some tax payers out for Mother China. It won't be them fucked anyway as they've not really started with immigration yet so they'll just hoover folk up from poor countries across Asia, Africa and South America you'd imagine. They’ll be feeling the pinch well before 2050.
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